This should be interesting.

Deport all Muslims!!

You believe what you want,
I'll believe what I want.
just don't throw bombs,
as it can hurt children.

(This comment was removed by the site staff.)

Golly, muslim4lyfe, were you unable to keep your comments civil?

Investigate the love of Jesus and resolve the anger issues that plague so many.

He is the Way, the Truth and the Life and none come to the Father except through Him.

All extremists are psychos! It doesn't matter the religion. Think of all the murders commited in the name of god...bunch of hypocrits!

Thanks, silverback. I did some investigation as you suggested and have found that even Jesus at times could get angry. Mark 3:5 tells us, "He looked around at them in anger and, deeply distressed at their stubborn hearts, said to the man, "Stretch out your hand." He stretched it out, and his hand was completely restored." In Matthew 21:12 we find, "Then Jesus went into the temple, threw out everyone who was selling and buying in the temple, and overturned the moneychangers' tables and the chairs of those who sold doves." Anger is a trait shared by both men and gods. It is up to each to control that anger within themselves.

Amen Silverback!

MIF - you are right. No matter what religion one clams, there will always be extremists who damage things for all. Look at the KKK - they claim Christianity, yet have terrorized and murdered many in the 'name of God'. They are a group of extremists too. Should we look at the KKK as being an example of true 'Christianity'? And should we look at radical Islam groups as being representative of all Muslims? One thing ALL Religions share is a certain segment that are sick & twisted individuals. NO religion approves of terrorism or murder under God's name, yet you will always find those who have convinced themselves that they ARE God.

Don't get caught up in bringing the Muslim Religion here under any pretense. It really is time America rewrote the documents that served well 100's of years ago but don't work today. Keep a watchful eye on this group!

Theabyss. Any documents in particular? Curious..:)

Getting comfy with Islam? It appears to be not quite the same as some other religions:

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics...

Islam is not a religion. It is a radical cult. No islamic "leader" of any note will condemn muslim extremist acts "OUT OF FEAR". Muslims in the U.S. routinely refuse to cooperate with FBI investigations into terrorists. Why? Fear? Or part of a bigger conspiracy?

Cousinjed got it right about Islam. its a cult. Christianity as an organised 'faith' is a business. Both have their roots in the Jewish tradition.
ALL are only interested in power & control. ALL are quite prepared to kill for it.

I'd be willing to bet that if any turned up at this so called debate and aired these questions you wuold end up being tasered and sent to jail for disruption.

This debate is just an attempt to con the weak of mind into a warm and fuzzy false sense of security.

If you want to believe then believe, but don't try and force your delusions on anyone else.

As a side issue, just imagine. If all the various flavors of church, mosque, synagog, temple etc had to pay tax. How much of a budget deficit do you think we would have right now in this country?

the evil of the Islamic religion is is has no concept of Separation of Church and State..as soon as Muslims get enough political power it becomes Sharia Law for the nation..this is it's cruel pattern around the world..Iraq is now under Sharia Religious Law as it's "new" constitution was a sham..women are treated worse now than under Sadam..Christians and Jews have been driven out...instead of having a reformation life Christianity and Judaism did..Islam has been taken over by Fundamentalists..American Islam cannot be compared to Islam around the world since we still have a strong wall of separatio of church and state...

All the Abrahamic religions have their roots in the twisted psychological story of a man who hears of voice telling him to kill and burn his son as a sacrifice..and that's why all these religions still have very twisted element in them today..all have a cultish nature but on a tax free basis..the easiest way to con any human is to get them to abandon their "bonds" of reason and become a believer...

You can blame ol Jimmy carter for the millions of muslims in this country, he opened the door for these radicals along with the mungs, mexicans and vietnamese. just do a little research and you'll see. besides bush being the worst president, Carter and Nixon are close 2nds

“We need to realize that Islamic values contradict democratic values.”

he's damm correct!!!...and women's rights, and singular marriage, and all secular law

I'm a secularist/freethinker..but when it comes to Islam I side politically with the Christians, Jews, Buddhists, Hindus etc. cause there is no secular law in Islam, only Sharia religious law once the get a foothold in society...

grouper 25, you are right

Islam is a far more sinister threat to democracy around the world than Communism ever was...it's a corrupt to the core religion, that uses the guise of religion to accomplish its political purpose; religious enslavement of societies...

http://www.alleanzacattolica.org/acs/...

read country by country how Islam is the State religion and enslaves...1.5 billion and growing..

dude can anybody explain to me how 3=1 and 1=3.there is one god and islam in the only religion that seems to make sense. they believe in 1 god and their last prophet. and if Jesus was your savior and god and you guys seems to worship and praise him "evey sunday". then why did Jesus worship his own father. and you guys making it seem like its some type of joke, god had a son.have a lil respect . god is all knowing and all powerful..if he created adam without a father and mother. then im sure he didnt need a wife to create jesus. christain religon is confusing and the ones who arnt ignorant enough who acutally go white explore what islam is ae the ones who convert in america.. from black to whites.fastest growing religon. and yes muslims do convert to christianity beacuse why???they are bribed with money and etc..so sombody plz try to make sense of me of how the chritain faith is based on

Ahhh, the subject of the " fastest growing religion" again. Anyway here's some information on that. Actually it all depends upon what method one uses to calculate it. http://www.religioustolerance.org/chr...

You'd better pray to whatever God you believe in that the Muslim Religion never gets a strong foothold in OUR country. It will be the end of America as we know it. Politicians should be protecting this country not opening doors and allowing things to fester. Bad, Bad, Bad move. This debate should not even be allowed to take place nor should it have been given any mention in the NDN to help its cause.

muslim4lyfe, how about you explain to me how the idea of any sort of 'god' is anything more than a mental illness that only seems to afflict mankind. Its the curse of sentient beings perhaps? The downside of intelligence maybe? The trade off from being self aware?

Its like being in the 'Matrix' wake from religeon and revel in being alive.

Try reading it aloud before you submit. That might help.

theabyss...open debate exposing Islam for the anti-democracy political system it is, is good IMO..let the snake shake its rattles..in countries where it has taken over there has been no debate, no expose', no light on this male chauvenistic Medievil cancer...before 911 most Americans had no idea about Islam or its Sharia Laws of Government...most Americans still don't know the roots of their various religions or how the various coping fantasies came about or were plagarized from earlier cultures...

Problem with your view Pro is that most fear the snake and will succumb to its poison only after it strikes, prior to that you have no fear. I do like Cape's comment and fear that without strict rules in this country about others views we are blasteded. You may have your opinion but opinions never solve problems, hard stances on positions do. This is AMERICA, lest we forget!

O Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites. Be harsh with them. Their ultimate abode is hell, a hapless journey's end. - 9:73
Allah has purchased of their faithful lives and worldly goods, and in return has promised them the Garden. They will fight for His cause, kill and be killed. - 9:111
Fight unbelievers who are near to you. 9:123 (different translation:
Believers! Make war on the infidels who dwell around you. Let them find harshness in you. (another source: ) Ye who believe! Murder those of the disbelievers....
As for those who are slain in the cause of Allah, He will not allow their works to perish. He will vouchsafe them guidance and ennoble their state; He will admit them to the Paradise He has made known to them. - 10:4-15
Allah has cursed the unbelievers and proposed for them a blazing hell. - 33:60
Unbelievers are enemies of Allah and they will roast in hell. - 41:14
When you meet the unbelievers, smite their necks, then when you have made wide slaughter among them, tie fast the bonds, then set them free, either by grace or ransom, until the war lays down its burdens. - 47:4
(different translation: ) When you meet the unbelievers in the battlefield, strike off their heads, and when you have laid them low, bind your captives firmly.
Those who are slain in the way of Allah - he will never let their deeds be lost. Soon will he guide them and improve their condition, and admit them to the Garden, which he has announced for them. - 47:5
Muslims are harsh against the unbelievers, merciful to one another. - 48:25
Muhammad is Allah's apostle. Those who follow him are ruthless to the unbelievers but merciful to one another. Through them, Allah seeks to enrage the unbelievers. - 48:29
Prophet! Make war on the unbelievers and the hypocrites and deal sternly with them. Hell shall be their home, evil their fate. - 66:9
The unbelievers among the People of the Book and the pagans shall burn forever in the fire of hell. They are the vilest of all creatures. - 98:51
Fight them so that Allah may punish them at your hands, and put them to shame. (verse cited in Newsweek 2/11/02)

Those who believe fight in the cause of God, and those who reject faith fight in the cause of evil. - 4:76
But if they turn renegades, seize them and slay them wherever you find them. - 4:89
Therefore, we stirred among them enmity and hatred, which shall endure till the Day of Resurrection, when Allah will declare to them all that they have done. - 5:14
O believers, take not Jews and Christians as friends; they are friends of each other. Those of you who make them his friends is one of them. God does not guide an unjust people. - 5:54
Make war on them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme - 8:39
O Prophet! Exhort the believers to fight. If there are 20 steadfast men among you, they shall vanquish 200; and if there are a hundred, they shall rout a thousand unbelievers, for they are devoid of understanding. - 8:65
It is not for any Prophet to have captives until he has made slaughter in the land. - 8:67
Allah will humble the unbelievers. Allah and His apostle are free from obligations to idol-worshipers. Proclaim a woeful punishment to the unbelievers. - 9:2-3
When the sacred months are over, slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. - 9:5
Believers! Know that idolators are unclean. - 9:28
Fight those who believe neither in God nor the Last Day, nor what has been forbidden by God and his messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, even if they are People of the Book, until they pay the tribute and have been humbled. - 9:29 (another source: ) The unbelievers are impure and their abode is hell. (another source: ) Humiliate the non-Muslims to such an extent that they surrender and pay tribute.
Whether unarmed or well-equipped, march on and fight for the cause of Allah, with your wealth and your persons. - 9:41

KORAN commands to kill infidels:
Allah is an enemy to unbelievers. - Sura 2:98
On unbelievers is the curse of Allah. - Sura 2:161
Slay them wherever ye find them and drive them out of the places whence they drove you out, for persecution is worse than slaughter. - 2:191
Fight against them until idolatry is no more and Allah's religion reigns supreme. (different translation: ) Fight them until there is no persecution and the religion is God's entirely. - Sura 2:193 and 8:39
Fighting is obligatory for you, much as you dislike it. - 2:216
(different translation: ) Prescribed for you is fighting, though it is hateful to you.
..... martyrs.... Enter heaven - Surah 3:140-43
If you should die or be killed in the cause of Allah, His mercy and forgiveness would surely be better than all they riches they amass. If you should die or be killed, before Him you shall all be gathered. - 3:157-8
You must not think that those who were slain in the cause of Allah are dead. They are alive, and well-provided for by their Lord. - Surah 3:169-71
Let those fight in the cause of God who sell the life of this world for the hereafter. To him who fights in the cause of God, whether he is slain or victorious, soon we shall give him a great reward. - Surah 4:74

CapeCodder, you crack me up,lol. "But all other winged creatures that have four legs you are to detest." The definition of CREATURE is any living organism, so does that mean at one time long, long ago that pigs did fly?

#29 muslim4lyre ;
In responce to your 3=1 or 1=3 You asked someone to shed light on this question. I will recommend a book to you that might help.

Miracle of the Scarlet Thread by Richard Booker sounds of the trumpet ministries.

What you do with this information is up to you. I will not force any thing on you.

#20 prometheus;
you aparently have some bibial knowkedge. In your statement you refered to Abraham being told to go and sacifrice his son Isaac.

I am not sure what your point was other that you were trying to disgard religious beliefs as nothing more than a fairy tale.

If that indeed is what your point is than you have rejected salvation through Jesus the son and God the father has offered???

I guess I am a Christian. But I am really not sure. I mean I know that there is a God and Jesus Christ is his Son.

But when it comes to the Bible, what ever version you read, I have to ask myself how much of it is actually what God or Jesus said and how much is what someone else said they said.

Take the King James version of the Bible today. How long was it before it the original Bible was put into writing after the people in spoke, performed, or witnessed certain events?

How many times has it been translated into different languages before the current "English" version?

How many times was an ambigious translation "leaned" a certain way due to political pressures secular and/ or religious?

# 47 Neal;

just remember Judaism and Christianity is Faith based. We as individuals either choose to either believe or not that God has preserved the written word in scriptures of the Bible. I myself prefer the King James translation along with a good concordance to study.

If you have concerns try praying asking God to give you that messure of Faith to believe so you can find confort in his (GODS) ability to presurve his word.

Wackos all.

chincieone #49...No, Judaism and Christianity are not Faith based. At least not according to most who follow those religions. They are immutable laws of the universe to those who follow it.

Saying they are Faith based would mean that if, and only if, you believe then you are affected by it. And that completely negates what is taught in ALL religions. By presenting it as Faith based a person is trying to slip it in on you on the sly. And that is dishonest and hypocritical of any religion who purports to preach the truth.

As far as prayer goes...if you use prayer to ask for something isn't that tatamount to saying "Give me this or I don't believe in You."?

Let's make this real simple. We will use Moses as a Jewish prophet, Jesus as a Christain prophet and Mohammed as a Muslim prophet.
We are told to emulate the qualities of the prophets of our faith because they are representaive of all we believe in and hold dear.
Of the three examples I have listed, which one is a warrior-prophet who has personally killed non-believers?Regardless of what has been done in the name of Judaism, Christainity and Islam by it's followers, Islam is the only one of the three that includes killing non-believer's, i.e. kafirs as a way to emulate the prophet, Mohammed and attain salvation.

#52 rtag63...

Nope ya gotta include Moses in on that also. After all Moses waited to lead his people through the Red Sea so the Egyptians would be caught there when the waters closed. He led the Egytians into an ambush if you will.

And while Jesus may not have killed anyone he did run all of the moneylenders out of the temples. As it states he ran (drove) them out it would seem to indicate some violence involved as they did not just leave of their own free will.

Using violence to attain your political gains, secular or religious, is still war no matter how you slice it.

So while Mohammed may have been the most violent he was not the ONLY violent prophet of the three religions.

it is a big stretch to equate Jesus chasing the money changers from the temple and Moses leading his people out of Egypt with the parting of the Red sea away from their persecutors as acts of violence

Speaking of Moses, let's look into Numbers 31: 7-18 which goes like this, "They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.
Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. "Why have you let all the women live?" he demanded. "These are the very ones who followed Balaam's advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD's people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves." So in this it tells us that to go against the god of Moses it will mean death. Now where have I heard this before?

I did my part, do with as you choose and I will leave this with what apears to be people who feel as though they have all the answers.

Yes, I meant what I said. I've read a lot of entry's since my last post and feel the necessity to let you know that many of you are coming at this from way out in left field.

There is no way to get salvation in the Muslim faith. It is all based on works and an individual is never really sure if they make it until after they die. After they die they still don't make it because they have worshiped the wrong god.

Real Christianity is not a religion, it is a relationship with the Son figure of the living God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. It is a relationship that God wanted with the Jews but he blinded them so they would reject Jesus and that is how we Gentiles were invited in.

God created two kinds of people, Jews and Gentiles. 50 days after Jesus was crucified (Pentecost) the third group was created. The Church (people) made up of enlightened Jews and enlightened Gentiles.

Yes,many people have been killed in the name of God. Other than those mentioned in the Bible, the others were misguided. The Crusades were wrong and carried out by misguided soldiers. 1000% + more people have been killed for secular reasons. Add the casualty's on both sides of WW1, WW2, Korea, Viet Nam, Cambodia etc. etc.

There is so much I would love to tell you, but time does not permit and many of you aren't ready.

Read the Bible with any open mind. Make that a reference Bible and it will come clear for many of you.

Go to the debate on the 24th.

True Christianity died out soon after Jesus died. Our churches don't teach the teachings of Jesus. All religions, including apostate Christianity, are false and doesn't make sense. I believe in secular humanism to solve our problems. We should use our brains instead of believing what people did hundreds and thousands of years ago. All religions are responsible for wars and people hating each other. Religions cause most of the world's problems. There are very few true Christians these days.

For anyone that is interested take a look at this.

http://shop.soundsofthetrumpet.com/cu...

blastedn yaa so ignorant..may god bring and show you to the right path!!dude can sombody explain to me why these WHITE American born priest converted to islam and inclduing other non-ignorant people.check this website out http://www.islamtomorrow.com/converts/

see for yourself!!!