It doesn't matter whom the Messiah selects. Next to the VP candidate His Saviourness will inevitably look like the empty-suited, grade-schooler (politically speaking of course), he is.

CAMPAIGN DONATIONS for McCain and Obama:

CEOs of corporate companies are donating ten times as much for McCain than Obama.

US troops stationed overseas are donating six times as much for Obama than McCain.

What Does This Tell You?

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McCain defined "rich" as earning $5 million a year.

WOW, talk about out of touch!

If 'rich' is earning $5 million and more annually...
Then I guess middle class (according to John McCain) is earning $2.5 million a year!

Who here earns between $1 million and $4 million a year? Well you’d only be considered middle class by McCain's definition!

I think this proves what an elitist McCain is and how clueless he is to what Americans are going through today at the gas pumps and dealing with inflation.

I wish I was one of the poor people earning only (let's say) half a million dollars a year.

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Maybe the Rev. Wright?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JU2Yv-...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5BnLoz...

Yeah chickendog and John Hagee may end up as McCain's VP!

John Hagee:
"God says in Jeremiah 16 - 'Behold I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave unto their fathers' - that would be Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - 'Behold I will send for many fishers and after will I send for many hunters. And they the hunters shall hunt them' - that will be the Jews - 'from every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.' If that doesn't describe what Hitler did in the Holocaust... you can't see that. So think about this - I will send fishers and I will send hunters."

"Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says -- Jeremiah writing -- 'They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,' meaning there's no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don't let your heart be offended. I didn't write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel."

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McCain's "Cross In Dirt" Story Questioned

In a book, at campaign stops and in an ad John McCain tells a story about a North Vietnamese prison guard drawing a cross in the dirt:

In his 1999 memoir, Faith of My Fathers:
"We both stood wordlessly looking at the cross until, after a minute or two, he rubbed it out and walked away. I saw my good Samaritan often after the Christmas when we venerated the cross together."

In his campaign ad in December, he adds mention of "the true light of Christmas":
"We stood wordlessly looking at the cross, remembering the true light of Christmas. I will never forget that no matter where you are, no matter how difficult the circumstances, there will always be someone who will pick you up."

At the Saddleback Civil Forum:
"For a minute there, it was just two Christians worshipping together."

Well guess what, a Kos diarist has come up with something interesting: "Cross in the Dirt" story stolen from Solzhenitsyn!

A story about Alexander Solzhenitsyn from his times in the Soviet Gulags:
"Slowly he looked up and saw a skinny old prisoner squat down beside him. The man said nothing. Instead, he used a stick to trace in the dirt the sign of the Cross. The man then got back up and returned to his work."

"As Solzhenitsyn stared at the Cross drawn in the dirt his entire perspective changed. He knew he was only one man against the all-powerful Soviet empire. Yet he knew there was something greater than the evil he saw in the prison camp, something greater than the Soviet Union. He knew that hope for all people was represented by that simple Cross. Through the power of the Cross, anything was possible."

The source of that story about Solzhenitsyn is The Sign of the Cross, Fr. Luke Veronis, In Communion, issue 8, Pascha 1997 but clearly the story was known before 1997 for Fr. Veronis to cite it here. Update - the source is Solzhenitsyn's Gulag Archipelago, published in the West in 1973.

In the winter of 1974, unbound and mimeographed samizdat copies of The Gulag Archipelago began being surreptitiously passed between Soviet citizens. These initial readers were normally given 24 hours to finish the work before passing it on to the next person, requiring the reader to spend an uninterrupted day and night to get through the work. Years later, this initial generation of Soviet readers could still recall who had given them their copy, to whom they had passed it on, and who they had trusted enough to discuss their thoughts about the book.

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To be continued...

Here is McCain in his ad:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7WTu7d...

Here is McCain, being "reluctant" to tell this "powerful story" about his "faith":
John McCain is more reluctant to talk about his own faith. And he has had rocky relations with religious conservatives. But McCain is a believer, and he has a powerful story about the time his own faith was tested — when he was being tortured as a prisoner of war.
One Christmas morning, he was allowed out of his cell for a few moments. As he stood alone in the prison courtyard, one of the Vietnamese guards — who had shown some small kindness to McCain in the past — walked up to him.

"Then with his sandal, the guard drew a cross in the dirt," McCain said. "We stood wordlessly there for a minute or two, venerating the cross, until the guard rubbed it out and walked away. To me, that was faith: a faith that unites and never divides, a faith that bridges unbridgeable gaps in humanity. It is the faith that we are all equal and endowed by our creator with inalienable rights to life, liberty and the pursuit of happiness. It is the faith I would die to defend."

... That story is often about all the Arizona senator will say about his faith, much to the chagrin of his evangelical supporters.

Here is the Dallas Morning News, writing about last night's event:
It is a well-worn story for veterans of the McCain campaign, but it was concrete and direct, without a whiff of Christian apologetics, and it produced one of the evening’s many bursts of sustained applause.

So, is this story just more carefully-crafted Republican propaganda, one more "powerful story" intended to trick the Christians into voting for them, so they can give ever-greater tax cuts to the rich and subsidies (and drilling leases) to oil companies?

Update - Andew Sullivan points out that McCain's early accounts of captivity do not include this story, and asks when McCain first told it.

Update - No "cross in the sand" for McCain in 1973,
Shortly after John McCain came back from Vietname in 1973, he wrote a detailed 12,000 word report of his experiences that was published in US News and World Report.

Even though McCain goes into a lot of detail in that story and mentions religion a few times, there is no mention of the cross in the sand story, even though it would have fitted in well with the whole narrative. There are numerous mentions of Vietnamese guards in the reports, mostly bad ones but also good ones, but there is no indication at all that any of them would have been Christian, although "[a] lot of them were homosexual".

And in 2000 McCain told the story - saying it was a different prisoner.

Looks like McCain really WAS telling a whopper to get votes. And he's been caught red-state-handed.

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I thought a hunter collected food...that's weird.

Had McCain come to my hometown and told the story using the Green Bay Packers, I would have been very proud and impressed. Had he done what he did to Pittsburgh and changed it to the Dolphins to pander votes and I found out it was Geen Bay, I'd have been as disgusted with it as I am now. Veterans, Combat soldiers, and POWs need not embellish their story to appease anybody. As a veteran I'm apalled! Shame on John McCain! He was a hero and now he's faking his story. ARGH!

I'm a peacetime veteran who was a voice radio operator with HHC in an armored unit and I'm proud of it regardless of what anybody thinks. I need not embellish my service to America.

THE VIDEO:
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After embellishing his story and switching it from the Green Bay offensive linemen, to the Pittsburgh defensive linemen simply to pander votes while in Pennsylvania, I find it hard to believe any of his POW stories anymore. This was no accidental slip of the tongue. This is a story he’d told far too many not to remember the most basic facts. Had he immediately corrected himself..... Ok. But he didn’t. He stuck to his story until he was called out on it.

John McCain has claimed in his 1999 memoir that while being a POW he once named the offensive linemen of the Green Bay Packers as the men of his squadron to avoid further torture. However, while in Pittsburgh yesterday he suddenly remembered the story a bit differently by claiming it was the Pittsburgh Steelers defensive linemen he named to his captors.

John McCain has NO SHAME!

General Clark, are you listening to this crap, Sir?

Here’s the full story:

In Pennsylvania, McCain Tells a New Version of Heroic P.O.W. Story --
Subbing the Pittsburgh Steelers DEFENSIVE LINEMEN for the Green Bay Packers OFFENSIVE LINEMEN.
ABC News Senior National Correspondent Jake Tapper
July 10, 2008 5:37 PM

While in Pittsburgh the last month, Sen. John McCain, R-Ariz., professed his love for the Steelers to KDKA-TV.

Asked what first comes to his mind when he thinks of Pittsburgh, McCain chuckled, "the Steelers. I was a mediocre high school athlete but I loved and adored the sports but the Steelers really made a huge impression on me particularly in my early years."

And then McCain told a rather moving story about his time as a P.O.W. "When I was first interrogated and really had to give some information because of the pressures, physical pressures on me, I named the starting lineup, defensive line of the Pittsburgh Steelers as my squadron mates."

"Did you really?" asked the reporter.

"Yes," McCain said.

"In your POW camp?" asked the reporter.

"Yes," McCain said.

"Could you do it today?" asked the reporter.

"No, unfortunately," McCain said.

Here's one reason he likely couldn't do it today -- the Steelers aren't the team whose defensive line McCain named for his Vietnamese tormentors. The Green Bay Packers are. At least according to every previous time McCain has told this story. And the McCain campaign just told ABC News that the senator made a mistake -- it was, indeed, the Packers.

In McCain's best-selling 1999 memoir “Faith of My Fathers,” McCain writes:

“Once my condition had stabilized, my interrogators resumed their work. Demands for military information were accompanied by threats to terminate my medical treatment if I did not cooperate. Eventually, I gave them my ship’s name and squadron number, and confirmed that my target had been the power plant. Pressed for more useful information, I gave the names of the Green Bay Packers offensive line, and said they were members of my squadron. When asked to identify future targets, I simply recited the names of a number of North Vietnamese cities that had already been bombed.”

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To be continued.....

In 2005, A&E ran a movie version of "Faith of My Fathers."

And McCain discussed that precise clip on CNN.

The actor playing McCain, asked to name the men in his squadron, says: "Starr; Greg; McGee; Davis; Adderly; Brown; Ringo; Wood."

Cut back to real life. The CNN anchor asks McCain: "For those who don't know the story, were those NFL football players?"

"That was the starting lineup of the Green Bay Packers, the first Super Bowl champions, yes," McCain responded. But it's -- it was the best I could think of at the time."

The movie actually shows this act of defiance twice.

INTERROGATOR: The names of your squadron...

MCCAIN: Starr, Gregg...McGee, Davis...Adderley, Brown, Ringo, Wood.

INTERROGATOR: Ten points, McCain.

MCCAIN: Ray Nitschke, our C.O.

The Packers anecdote is not only a key part of the McCain biography, it's part of his argument against torture.

Explaining why he thinks torture can result in erroneous information, McCain wrote in Newsweek in 2005, "In my experience, abuse of prisoners often produces bad intelligence because under torture a person will say anything he thinks his captors want to hear--whether it is true or false--if he believes it will relieve his suffering. I was once physically coerced to provide my enemies with the names of the members of my flight squadron, information that had little if any value to my enemies as actionable intelligence. But I did not refuse, or repeat my insistence that I was required under the Geneva Conventions to provide my captors only with my name, rank and serial number. Instead, I gave them the names of the Green Bay Packers' offensive line, knowing that providing them false information was sufficient to suspend the abuse."

McCain's valor as a P.O.W. is beyond admirable, but this business of substituting the Steelers for the Packers is odd, though as I said, the McCain campaign says this was an honest mistake.

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Why Elect Barack Obama
by: Ironside

Do you really not know what Barack Obama stands for as a politician as the main stream media claims? Well even if that's the case, with what the American People have witnessed in the past seven and a half years, wouldn't we be better off taking a chance on the unknown rather than the status quo when we've seen how that has dragged this nation into the gutter of despair? Isn't no credit better than bad credit? One thing we do know for certain is that two Americans that really love this country are running for the highest office in the land. The biggest question is which one has the solutions to fix what the Bush Administration has broken? Sure the others running for president love this country too, but let's focus on the two with a realistic shot winning it.

The US dollar is down.
Wages are down.
Inflation is at its highest pace since 1991.
Unemployment is up.
Our government is in the pocket of BIG OIL.
We're bogged down in Iraq while the real war on terror goes largely neglected.
New home construction sales are down.
Existing home sales are down.
Home foreclosures are up.
Fuel costs are up.
Grocery costs are up.
We now have deficits instead of projected surplus.
We owe China half a trillion dollars.
Healthcare has been forgotten.
Medicare benefits have taken a hit.

John McCain has served 26 years in the Senate. The American People know what his voting record is all about. He's clearly part of the problem that's led us to where we are today. The question is, what is Barack Obama all about. The answer is really simple with a little research. Obama has helped create new laws in Illinois as a State Legislator and he's made enough votes as a U.S. Senator for the American People to know what kind of politician he is.

Obama with the help of a Democratic Senate and Congress will bring us back to where we were during the Clinton years... Peace and prosperity. The Republicans were given their chance. They had total control of the Senate, Congress and the Whitehouse for six years and they blew it. It’s time to see what the Democrats can do.

We need to bring back 'Made in the USA' and eliminate the likes of lead painted toys for our children and contaminated food products for our families.

Obama said that he'll rescind the Bush tax cuts for the mega-wealthy and corporate America. He’ll instead give tax cuts to anybody earning less than $225,000 a year. He'll replace tax breaks to companies taking their business to China or India for cheap labor labeled as “free trade” with tax cuts for the companies keeping jobs in America and employing the Americans People here at home.

To bo contined.....

If you don't know what Barack Obama stands for, here's a list of his accomplishments:

Obama passed legislation with Republican Senator Jim Talent to give gas stations a tax credit for installing E85 ethanol refueling pumps. The tax credit covers 30 percent of the costs of switching one or more traditional petroleum pumps to E85, which is an 85 percent ethanol/15 percent gasoline blend.

After a number of inmates on death row were found innocent, Senator Obama worked with law enforcement officials to require the videotaping of interrogations and confessions in all capital cases.

His first law was passed with Republican Tom Coburn, a measure to rebuild trust in government by allowing every American to go online and see how and where every dime of their tax dollars is spent.

Obama created the Illinois Earned Income Tax Credit for low-income working families in 2000 and successfully sponsored a measure to make the credit permanent in 2003. The law offered about $105 million in tax relief over three years.

Obama joined forces with former U.S. Sen. Paul Simon (D-IL) to pass the toughest campaign finance law in Illinois history. The legislation banned the personal use of campaign money by Illinois legislators and banned gifts from lobbyists. Before the law was passed, one organization ranked Illinois worst among 50 states for its campaign finance regulations.

As a member of the Veterans' Affairs Committee, Senator Obama has fought to help Illinois veterans get the disability pay they were promised, while working to prepare the VA for the return of the thousands of veterans who will need care after Iraq and Afghanistan.

To be continued.....

When was the last time you called for support on a product you’ve purchased and got somebody in India or some other foreign country on the phone, instead of an American citizen? It's been too long and that has to end now!

The more John McCain talks about foreign policy the more he sounds as uninformed about it as he is with the economy. McCain’s solution to every International crisis is with the use of Military might; as if we haven't spilt enough blood and don’t already owe China enough of our treasure for the two conflicts we’re currently involved in.

Bush goes to war and justifiably so in Afghanistan after the 9/11 attacks. He then takes his eyes off the eight ball and exploits 9/11 by misleading the nation into war with Iraq with misrepresentations, faulty and fabricated intelligence, and outright lies. The two wars become more expensive than the United States can afford, so he borrows the money from China at a tune of $500,000,000,000 (that's half a trillion dollars). But, he remembers his good buddies in corporate America with no-bid contracts in Iraq and tax cuts for the mega-wealthy.

George Bush had utilized his veto powers in his first 6 years of office only one time. During that 6 year period the Senate and Congress were made up of a Republican majority. He's utilized his veto powers 11 times in the past 18 months. In those 18 months the Senate and Congress had a small Democrat majority, making impossible to over-ride a veto without Republican support.

This has made it very difficult (or virtually impossible) for the Democrats to repair in 18 months what it took the Republicans 6 years to break. However, with the next election will come more seats gained by the Democrats in the House and Senate, as well as winning the Whitehouse. Hopefully America can recover from this disastrous and irresponsible Administration that John McCain has voted in support of time and time again.

If you think America is heading in the right direction, by all means, vote for John McCain. If you think we need to do something different to get our economy rolling again, then I’d suggest you vote for Barack Obama.

Ron Paul proves what McCain knows about the economy, with one question.
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To be continued.....

He traveled to Russia with Republican Dick Lugar to begin a new generation of non-proliferation efforts designed to find and secure deadly weapons around the world.

Obama has been a leading advocate for protecting the right to vote, helping to reauthorize the Voting Rights Act and leading the opposition against discriminatory barriers to voting...

In the U.S. Senate, Obama introduced the STOP FRAUD Act to increase penalties for mortgage fraud and provide more protections for low-income homebuyers, well before the current sub-prime crisis began.

Obama sponsored legislation to combat predatory payday loans, and he also was credited with lobbied the state to more closely regulate some of the most egregious predatory lending practices.

Barack Obama introduced the Patriot Employer Act of 2007 to provide a tax credit to companies that maintain or increase the number of full-time workers in America relative to those outside the US; maintain their corporate headquarters in America; pay decent wages; prepare workers for retirement; provide health insurance; and support employees who serve in the military.

Obama worked to pass a number of laws in Illinois and Washington to improve the health of women. His accomplishments include creating a task force on cervical cancer, providing greater access to breast and cervical cancer screenings, and helping improve prenatal and premature birth services.

To view Barack Obama's and John McCain's voting record click here:
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13? GEEZ, nothing to do but waste time trying to convince people who have already made up their minds :(

Backers of Obama include:

Bill Gates
Warren Buffett
Donald Trump
Michael Shane
Eli Broad
Tim Hudson, CEO of Goldman Sachs

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GatorHater wrote in post #23:

"Honestly, this is the most lackluster presidential election with the most lackluster candidates since 1988."
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A sure sign Repbublicans are unhappy with their candidate, while the Democrats are energized.
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Here's more on that from the Sun Sentinel from July 12, 2008:

An escalating number of voters registering as Democrats is providing evidence that the 2008 election could produce a wave of support for Barack Obama — and trigger a decades-long shift of party allegiance that could affect elections for a generation.

The numbers are ominous for Republicans: Through May, Democratic voter registration in Broward County was up 6.7 percent. Republican registrations grew just 3 percent while independents rose 2.8 percent.

Democrats have posted even greater gains statewide, up 106,508 voters from January through May, compared with 16,686 for the Republicans.

"It's a huge swing," says Marian Johnson, political director for the Florida Chamber of Commerce. "I looked at that and said, 'Wow.'"

READ MORE HERE:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/news/loca...

GatorHater, I like the idea of a flat tax too. It's a shame none of the candidates have endorsed it.

GatorHater, you don't see the emails of support I get from these blogs. A lot people tell me to "keep up the good work" and they tell me how much they have "learned" from my posts, as well as thanking me for "keeping (them) informed" with the candidates views on so many issues.

I'm sorry if you're not getting anything out of them, but I'm happy to know that some people are.

I do link to my website.....

I own this web site.... I have are discussion forums there too.
Click on the link:
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CORRECTION TO POST #31:

I do link to my website.....

I own this web site.... I also have discussion forums there.
Click on the link: http://politicalplace.com

I for one am thrilled to hear something besides the March to the Bush drumbeat that is usually on this site. As an attorney, a corporate executive, and a person who loves the state of Florida...I am going for Barack Obama. I believe that we need a change from the Karl Rove politicos, a change from the Bush failure syndrome, and a change from "It's all about me" to a change to "It's all about the US and restoring our ethical leadership." Go Ironside, and go Obama!

Unless Obama picks Evan Bayh Sen. from Indiana as his VP for running mate I dont think Obama will get in. But the race will be tight either way. To many people want change not for it to be a close election.

I was more impressed by Bayh more than Obama. Bayh has more experience in office. And we do need some one with experience in office.

Thats my two cents.

I need to go press a certain button. Military types may know which one I mean: the GAS button. Similar to a gas petal but with more acceleration.

This may be a first for me. I may be removed. Perhaps just the button will be removed. <*><+>

I am sick of politics and politicians. ALL.

Written
by Dr. Jack Wheeler

The O-man, Barack Hussein Obama, is an eloquently tailored empty suit. No resume, no accomplishments, no experience, no original ideas, no understanding of how the economy works, no understanding of how the world works, no balls, nothing but abstract empty rhetoric devoid of real substance.

He has no real identity. He is half-white, which he rejects. The rest of him is mostly Arab, which he hides but is disclosed by his non-African Arabic surname and his Arabic first and middle names as a way to triply proclaim his Arabic parentage to people in Kenya . Only a small part of him is African Black from his Luo grandmother, which he pretends he is exclusively.

What he isn't, not a genetic drop of, is 'African-American,' the descendant of enslaved Africans brought to America chained in slave ships. He hasn't a single ancestor who was a slave. Instead, his Arab ancestors were slave owners. Slave-trading was the main Arab business in East Africa for centuries until the British ended it.

Let that sink in: Obama is not the descendant of slaves, he is the descendant of slave owners. Thus he makes the perfect Liberal Messiah.

It's something Hillary doesn't understand - how some complete neophyte came out of the blue and stole the Dem nomination from her. Obamamania is beyond politics and
reason. It is a true religious cult, whose adherents reject Christianity yet still believe in Original Sin, transferring it from the evil of being human to the evil of being white.

Thus Obama has become the white liberals' Christ, offering absolution from the Sin of Being White. There is no reason or logic behind it, no faults or flaws of his can diminish it, no arguments Hillary could make of any kind can be effective against it. The absurdity of Hypocrisy Clothed In Human Flesh being their Savior is all the more cause for liberals to worship him: Credo quia absurdum, I believe it because it is absurd.

Thank heavens that the voting majority of Americans remain Christian and are in no desperate need of a phony savior.

His candidacy is ridiculous and should not be taken seriously by any thinking American.
Pass this on to every thinking American you know!

@ KR.. blah blah blah blah
@ gatorhater07... blah blah blah blah

@Ironside.. nice job!

BARACK OBAMA FOR PRESIDENT 2008!!

CAMPAIGN DONATIONS for McCain and Obama:

CEOs of corporate companies are donating ten times as much for McCain than Obama.

US troops stationed overseas are donating six times as much for Obama than McCain.

What Does This Tell You?

HERE ARE THE FACTS ABOUT McCAIN AND OUR VETERANS:

In mid-2007, John McCain showed up for only four out of the past 14 Senate votes on Iraq.

In 2008 John McCain didn't show up for any votes on Iraq or veteran issues.

The is McCain‘s voting record of "supporting the troops" since the war in Iraq began:

April 2003, McCain "tabled the motion" to provide over $1 billion of National Guard and Reserve equipment.

October 2003, McCain "tabled" an amendment to provide an additional $322 million for safety equipment for U.S. troops in Iraq.

March 2004, McCain voted against eliminating abusive tax loopholes that would have increased veterans‘ medical care by $1.8 billion.

March 2006, McCain voted against closing corporate tax loopholes. A vote 'for' would have instead increased veteran medical services by $1.5 billion. McCain chose corporate companies over our veterans.

April 2006, McCain voted against providing an extra $430 million for veteran outpatient care.

May 2006, McCain voted against $20 million for veteran health care facilities.

March 2007, McCain as a 'no show' on a resolution to start redeploying troops from Iraq by March 2008.

September 2007, McCain voted against Senator Webb‘s amendment that would put into place rest periods for troops in between deployments.

May 2008, McCain opposed Senator Webb‘s GI bill and was a "no show" when the bill was voted on.

In 2008 McCain was a "no show" for the resolution honoring the sacrifice made by the fallen.

McCain - 2006 Senator McCain supported the Disabled American Veterans 20 percent in 2006.

Obama - 2006 Senator Obama supported the Disabled American Veterans 80 percent in 2006.

McCain - In 2005 Senator McCain supported Disabled American Veterans 25 percent of he time.

Obama - In 2005 Senator Obama supported Disabled American Veterans 92 percent of the time.

McCain - In 2006 Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Senator McCain a grade of D.

Obama - In 2006 Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave Senator Obama a grade of B+.

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Imagine, for one moment, that it had been Barack Obama instead of John McCain who had cheated on his wife by having multiple affairs. Suppose it was Barack Obama who had married his mistress, a younger heiress of a billion dollar beer empire only a month after the ink was dry on the divorce papers. Pretend it was Michelle Obama instead of Cindy McCain who had been so addicted to painkillers that she stole money from her own charity and had been investigated by the Drug Enforcement Administration.

The vilifications, smears, and berating from conservatives would be louder than a 747 takeoff. The castigating and crucifixions by the Limbaughs and O'Reillys of the world would never end. Faux piety and bellicosity from the pumped up blowhards in the religious right would flow harder than the flooding waters of the Mississippi.

But the Family Values Party has made new rules that even Woody Allen could love. "The heart wants what the heart wants." Judging the awful personal misconduct committed by a Republican is distasteful and off base. Judging the awful personal misconduct committed by a Democrat is the necessary application of social cost. It's the same Pharisaical stuff we should always expect, because when it comes to hypocrisy, Republicans are in high cotton in any season.

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SHOULD JOHN McCAIN SPORT THE SCARLET LETTER?

Republicans are campaigning on their own Audacity of Hope. They are hoping no one will have the audacity to bring up the unmentionable: John McCain is The Adulterer and Cindy McCain is The Other Woman. They are hopeful that voters are so consumed by their struggles of filling up gas tanks and putting untainted food on the table, that the memory of that atrocious summer of self-righteousness from ten years ago has long been forgotten. But what goes around comes around.

It was the Summer of '98, that the Gladiators of Virtue were riding high. They were strutting their stuff with Ken Starr and his seven million dollar witch-hunt. They had Bill Clinton just where they wanted him. He had done the hot and nasty with a young intern, and was lying about it, so by God, he was going to pay for his sins. Many of those sultans of sanctimony, who are now surrogates and staff for the McCain campaign, have strangely become as quiet as little church mice when it comes to discussing the fact that John McCain has always had a reputation for being as horny as a three-balled tomcat. Loving the sinner, but hating the sin, the Moralizing Crusaders in the Republican party have suddenly laid down their swords.

It is downright hilarious to hear Senator Lindsey Graham wax rhapsodic about the personal integrity of the senator from Arizona. His pronouncements of McCain's principled, virtuous wisdom are as convoluted as a stand-up routine on The Comedy Channel. This is the same Lindsey Graham who rose to prominence in 1998 as a manager in the House prosecution and impeachment trial. Never hesitating to intone with umbrage the moral malfeasance of Bill Clinton, Graham possessed high-toned puffery that was legendary. Forced to discuss every subject from thongs to naughty word for oral pleasure in the House impeachment hearings, poor Lindsey shouldered the burden of more righteous indignation than any one man should ever have to bear. Ten years hence, however, he stands reverentially beside his buddy McCain, as if fooling around and family abandonment have simply ceased to be biggies.

After the infamous Senate floor blistering of the President for his sexual affairs, one might conclude that Senator Joe Lieberman, a Republican by any other name, would be much too ashamed ever to support a candidate whose moral compass had directed him to cheat on his wife and leave his family. Yet, Lieberman, seemingly ever-present on the campaign trail, advises McCain and lavishes him with such obsequious praise that the affair between John and Cindy seems considered to be nothing more than a dusty memory that is gone with the wind.

To be continued.....

Weird!

Here in Florida on Monday John McCain spoke to a group of combat veterans at a VFW meeting where he bashed Barack Obama as wanting to run for president out of "ambition." HOWEVER, in his book "Worth the Fighting For," McCain wrote of his own motivation.....

From the book:
"I didn't decide to run for president to start a national crusade for the political reforms I believed in or to run a campaign as if it were some grand act of patriotism. In truth, I wanted to be president because it had become my ambition to be president. . . . In truth, I'd had the ambition for a long time."

Straight Talk? No, not hardly!

Can you say HYPOCRITE?

Rev.Wright,Al Sharpton,Jesse Jackson,--take your pick out of these fine liberals Ironside--lol.

And McCain's pick will be John Hagee?

John Hagee:
"God says in Jeremiah 16 - 'Behold I will bring them the Jewish people again unto their land that I gave unto their fathers' - that would be Abraham, Isaac and Jacob - 'Behold I will send for many fishers and after will I send for many hunters. And they the hunters shall hunt them' - that will be the Jews - 'from every mountain and from every hill and from out of the holes of the rocks.' If that doesn't describe what Hitler did in the Holocaust... you can't see that. So think about this - I will send fishers and I will send hunters."

"Then God sent a hunter. A hunter is someone with a gun and he forces you. Hitler was a hunter. And the Bible says -- Jeremiah writing -- 'They shall hunt them from every mountain and from every hill and from the holes of the rocks,' meaning there's no place to hide. And that might be offensive to some people but don't let your heart be offended. I didn't write it, Jeremiah wrote it. It was the truth and it is the truth. How did it happen? Because God allowed it to happen. Why did it happen? Because God said my top priority for the Jewish people is to get them to come back to the land of Israel."

Or perhaps he'll select the drug addict Rush Limbaugh, or racist David Duke!

Take your pick waldini202....

Rick Warren, a Baptist pastor, conducted a "Civil Forum" this past Saturday with Barack Obama and John McCain, the US presidential candidates for the Democratic and Republican parties, respectively.

During the discussions the topic of "evil" came up.

Both candidates were asked how would deal with it. They were asked if they would ignore it, negotiate with it, contain it, or defeat it. Obama said he would "confront it" while McCain said firmly that he would "defeat it.”

McCain is naive and gullible if he believes he can "defeat" evil. That's absurd and ridiculous. It proves again how John McCain is willing to say whatever it is people want to hear rather than “Straight Talk” as he claims he is all about. Everybody would love to see evil defeated, but let's be real, it's not something the President of the United States is capable of accomplishing, nor should he be expected to. John McCain is living in fantasyland.

I suppose John McCain will try to convince some voters that he can rid the nation of rape and murder too? Isn’t that evil?

http://politicalplace.com

who cares, i don't

"I wish I was one of the poor people earning only (let's say) half a million dollars a year."

Try getting a job instead of blogging all day.

mthalo, I'll sell my business if you can tell me where I'm can get a job right now for an annual income of $500,000.

Your rhetoric is shallow.

mthalo, your shallow-minded rhetoric leads one to believe perhaps you're earning half a million dollars annually, to suggest simply finding a job will bring in that kind of money.

If that's the case, I understand you supporting John McCain. He's clearing the man for the socialites.

Ironside: clueless, except for your ability to cut and paste....
It's going to be a close election...most have made up their minds. Unless Obama picks Hillary for VP, it's 50/50. If it is Hillary, it's Obama by 5-7%. Just my opinion...

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Wow, Ironside you have me all figured out from analyzing one sentence. You even know who I'm voting for before I do.

My apologies, had I known you had your own business, I would have said something different...

"Try figuring out how to grow your business instead of blogging all day".

You'll never get rich blogging all day.

In my lifetime (p)Resident George Bush is the only man to occupy the Whitehouse while his Party controlled both the Senate and Congress, and we see where we are today.

Bush had used his veto pen one time in the six years the Republicans controlled the Senate and Congress, and that was on Stem Cell Research. In the 18 months the Democrats gained a small majority Bush has used his veto powers eleven times. The Democrats’ majority is too small to override a veto, unless the Republicans are inline with them. Obviously the Republicans aren’t going to go along with pulling our troops from Iraq and rescinding the Bush tax cuts.

When President Obama occupies the Whitehouse, his Party too will have a majority in the Senate and Congress. I believe the Democrats will get this country back on track.

The Capitalists don’t want corporate regulations and I think that’s dangerous to the American People and to our environment. They don’t care if our children’s toy and lead painted or if the food we’re feeding our families is contaminated.

I’m in favor of a capital gains tax and taxing the oil companies' windfall profits. The oil companies have had a free ride long enough.

Since (p)Resident Bush has been in office, the top five oil companies have made profits of about $700 billion. I just can’t bring myself to pity them very much.

The worst thing Clinton and the Republican Senate did was to pass NAFTA. It needs some serious revisions made to it. Our jobs are now going overseas and corporations are getting tax breaks for doing so. Obama has made it clear he will give tax breaks to the companies keeping our jobs here.

Obama will rescind the Bush tax cuts for the mega-wealthy and give tax breaks to anybody earning less than $250,000 a year. All of our elderly making less than $50,000 in social security wouldn’t have to pay any taxes on any of it, with Obama’s plan.

Never has the economy affected me personally in such a negative way as Bush’s economy has, and McCain’s economic ideologies are no different.

Obama is the 'common sense' candidate. How do you go to war on two fronts and cut taxes at the same time? Where does the money come from to pay for the wars? I'll tell you... CHINA! We are now deep into debt with China because of it. And to think, McCain is ready to invade Iran now too and keeping Bush’s tax cuts in place. That’s irresponsible and reckless. He’s a dangerous man!
The more McCain talks about Foreign Policy, the more he exposes it as one of his weaknesses, and he has many. He's already explained that he knows next to nothing on the economy. He doesn't like his own immigration bill and his healthcare votes are a travesty.

No thanks to John McCain and the status quo.

Obama in 2008

mthalo, anybody that believes it takes earning $5,000,000 a year to be wealthy hasn't a clue on the economy and what the middle class and poor are going through in America.

If it takes earning $5,000,000 a year to be wealthy, as John McCain claims, earning $500,000 a year would put you way below middle class, which would be at least $2,500,000. In America .01% earn $5,000,000 a year. That’s one hundredth of one percent

I'd say anybody earning over $250,000 a year is wealthy, and if they aren't then they have managed their finances poorly and it's their own fault. Earning $5,000,000 a year is way beyond mega-wealthy! One needs not be a multi-millionaire to be wealthy.

You obviously know nothing about my business, or you wouldn't make the asinine comments you're making.

My business has me on the computer for many hours a day. I make my own hours and it's simple to 'multi-task' if I wish to. You have no clue what my business hours are. So don't pretend to know my business or how I'm utilizing my time. That's moronic and I believe you can do better than that.

from Michael Moore letter to Caroline Kennedy
Tuesday, August 19th, 2008
"Caroline: Pull a Cheney!" An Open Letter to Caroline Kennedy (head of the Obama VP search team)

..."What Obama needs is a vice presidential candidate who is NOT a professional politician, but someone who is well-known and beloved by people across the political spectrum; someone who, like Obama, spoke out against the war; someone who has a good and generous heart, who will be cheered by the rest of the world; someone whom we've known and loved and admired all our lives and who has dedicated her life to public service and to the greater good for all."
..."So many families are hurting, losing their homes, going bankrupt with health care bills, seeing their public schools in shambles and living with this war without end. This is a historic year for women, from Hillary's candidacy to the numerous women running for the House and Senate. This is the year that a woman should be on the Democratic ticket. This is the year that both names on that ticket should be people OUTSIDE the party machine. This is the year millions of independents and, yes, millions of Republicans are looking for something new and fresh and bold (and you are the Kennedy Republicans would vote for!)."

here, here!

Ironside,

The troop issue reflects the fact that troops don't generally donate to political camapigns. Of those few that do, more contribute or there is more contributed by supporters of Obama.

Of the Military personnel I have spoken with, there does not seem to be a great deal of enthusiasm or confidence about Mr Obama becoming their Commander in Chief.

I have heard this spun several ways of course. Some say that the military personnel just don't know any better and that they are just being used and manipulated. I think our armed forces deserve a little more credit than that and that they should have a voice in the election process that represents those who are willing to fight for their country.

TruthHurtz, thank you for the post. That may or may not be a valid point you make. I don’t know what percent of soldiers are giving to the campaigns. It’s 6 to 1 in number of soldiers giving to Obama over McCain, not dollars, that I do know. But you're saying that not many soldiers in general may be making donations, if I'm reading you correctly and I just don't know those numbers.

The soldiers normally support Republicans by about 60-65%. I doubt that will be the case in this election.

The soldiers know McCain opposed Jim Webb's 21st Century GI Bill and was a "no show" when it came time to vote on it. They also know when asked, if the surge was working now what his estimate would be to bringing the troops home and he answered "that's not too important."

There's a reason the Iraq and Afghanistan Veterans of America gave McCain a D and Obama a B+ when grading their voting records on Veteran's issues. McCain skipped all veteran associated votes in 2008 and he made less than one third of them in 2007. That's a travesty!

My site has a lot of veterans posting on it and I think for the most part they are split down the middle. The one soldier that just got back from Iraq is undecided, though I think he'll end up voting for McCain. He's very conservative on most issues. The right just doesn't seem very excited about McCain. The left are energized.

If I was serving in Iraq today, I'd certainly want to believe in what we're fighting for and I'd probably lean towards the right on that issue myself. Many of these soldiers are young and gung ho. For Obama to be getting the support of so many of the troops overseas speaks in volumes. Obama's visit in Kuwait, Iraq and Afghanistan last month was huge hit with the troops.

I believe he'll do better with the troops than Democrats of the past have. Time will tell.

Ironhead: Try putting the same effort into your business as you do posting. Also, how is that posts per day thing going ? Where do you people get those obama rose colored glasses ? ( Calm down Cutt.!!)

cousinjed, mind your own business. Worry about yourself. How's that for a grand idea?

I notice rightwingers sure like to interfere into other people's business. I find that very interesting.

cousinjed what should my hours be? You seem to know all about what I do for a living. You wish you had my job/hours. You appear envious.

LMFAO :]

cousinjed wrote in post #60:
"Also, how is that posts per day thing going?"
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cousinjed = 2.22 posts per day

Ironside = 1.61 posts per day
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cousinjed, it seems you'd be best served to "try putting the same effort into your business as you do posting."

LMFAO! :]

McCain is always talking about wasteful spending on "pork barrel" projects as if it's one of his main platforms.

He specifically mentions:
"A bridge to nowhere."
"The Woodstook museum."
and.....
"The study of DNA for bears."

However, he was a 'no show' on the vote for the bridge to nowhere.

He was a 'no show' for all of the main votes on the Woodstock museum's bill, including the amendment he co-sponsored to kill the earmark and divert some of the funds.

He also try to cut funds for several other projects from the DNA bear bill but never tried cutting the bear bill itself and ended up voting for the final bill containing it.

John McCain is all talk and no action.

Iron: I am an AMERICAN, A VETERAN, An ACCOMPLISHED BUSINESSMAN (quite prosperous thank you). I thank GOD everyday for being given the blessing of living in this country.

I don't WHINE and expect the "GOVERNMENT" to do things for "ME". What I expect of the govt. is to "LEAVE ME ALONE". I can take care of myself because I AM AN AMERICAN. I thank all AMERICANS who have DIED and SACRIFICED for me to be HERE. I have "STONES" and have NO USE for snivelers. My perception of a PATRIOT and what it means to be an AMERICAN is QUITE CLEAR. Any Questions?? SEMPER FI!!!!!

RockfordGrad, he has a higher daily posting average than me.

At his current pace by the time he's been posting for 15 months he'll have 1450 posts to my 1050 in that same amount of time.

So what's you point?

cousinjed, thank you for your service! Now please stop your whinning (as Phil Gramm would say).

I too am an American, Veteran and accomplished businessman.

AMERICA, LOVE OR LEAVE IT!

JundYard "Don't bust on me, and I won't bust on you" Dog, don't bite off more than you can chew.

You can't match wits with me. I own you time and time again. You're easy!

NOTE; how you never have anything to add to the topic. All you have are your adolescent little jabs. It's quite pathetic actually. I embarrassed for you. Have another Jim Beam.

I was told how you tried to get a mutual friend of ours to help you debate me in politics on these blogs and you were told that you shouldn't attempt to politically debate me because I'd 'tear you up'... And that was from a Republican!

You really should have taken the advice. It was given to you in your best interest.

Post #164...
http://www.naplesnews.com/news/2008/a...

John McCain agrees with re-enacting the draft!

AUDIENCE MEMBER: Senator McCain I truly hope you get the opportunity to chase Bin Laden right to the gates of hell and push him in as you stated on your forum. I do have a question though. Disabled veterans, especially in this state, have horrible conditions [...] My son is an officer in the Air Force, and I am a vet and I was raised in a military family. I think it is a sad state of affairs when we have illegal aliens having a Medicaid card that can access specialist top physicians, the best of medical and our vets can’t even get to a doctor. These are the people that we tied yellow ribbons for and Bush patted on the back. If we don’t reenact the draft I don’t think we will have anyone to chase Bin Laden to the gates of hell.

JOHN MCCAIN: Ma’am let me say that I don’t disagree with anything you said and thank you and I am grateful for your support of all of our veterans.

THE VIDEO HERE:
http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

How can McCain claim to be willing to chase Osama bin Laden to the gates of Hell, if he's not willing to chase him in Pakistan?

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

And John McCain Claims Foreign Policy Is His Strength
by: Ironside

John McCain is clearly a warmonger and that's well documented. His answer to every foreign crisis is military intervention. He wants to stay in Iraq for "100 years" as well as wanting to "bomb, bomb, bomb.... (bomb, bomb, Iran)" and he's threatened Russia for it's invasion of Georgia. And if that's not bad enough, he has a despicable habit of making jokes about war. It's one thing to cut up on a comedy show, but it's a different story when his humor is in reference to a war that our troops are currently dying in.

He claims foreign policy as his strength, but in reality his gaffes and comments suggest otherwise. The more he talks about foreign policy the more it's exposed as one of his great weaknesses. At a time when we are at war with terror and occupying Iraq, the disgusting humor he spews is enough to seriously question his foreign policy expertise.

War is a very serious matter and shouldn't be taken lightly. Is this the kind of Commander in Chief our Armed Forces deserve? I dare say not. He's more of a madman than a leader of the free world. This is extremely disturbing to say the least. It's something he must stop doing and stop it now!

Now McCain arrogantly pledges to following Osama bin Laden to the gates of Hell, but he said even if if he KNEW bin Laden was in Pakstan he wouldn't follow him there.

John McCain is all talk no action!

Here are the videos that apply to what I have just posted:
http://www.politicalplace.com/mccain_...

Iran is not a threat to the United States, al Qaeda is!

I.O.U.S.A. TODAY

I heard he was going to pick the local psuedo celebrity/war protester, John "FREAKIO" Riccio

Is John McCain the "underdog" that he claims he is?
by: Ironside

John McCain claims to be the "underdog" in the presidential race of 2008. Could he possibly be serious? Since when in America is a rich white man with 26 years in the Senate, who's a war hero, an underdog to a one term black Senator with the middle name Hussein and a first name that rhymes with Osama? John McCain should leading in the polls by at least 20 percent with his vast amount of experience. One can only wonder how it would be possible for Barack Obama to be anywhere close to competitive with so may ignorant voters believing he's a Muslim that was sworn into the Senate using the Quran, both lies of course spread by the rightwing propaganda machine knowing how bigoted some voters are. The rightwing hopes they can use bigotry to win a presidential election and meanwhile John McCain will work on convincing the American voter that Obama is a traitor that tried to "legislate defeat," another outrageous lie. The self-proclaimed straight talker that once promised to be above the fray of negative campaigning has shown the American voter that there is no level too low for him to stoop. John McCain claims he works harder as an underdog. Let's hope he doesn't believe that to be true with our troops as well and therefore uses that mindset on them by making them underdogs with all the wars he wants to have. John McCain has made is clear, he's not one for negotiations, he prefers military action!

http://www.politicalplace.com/mccain_...

RockfordGrad, "He's lieing (LYING)" about nothing. Obama never said he'd make an announcement on any certain day. The media was anticipating it, that's all there is to that.

The Obama campaign said they expect an announcement sometime between Wednesday and Saturday.

More rightwing rhetoric shot down.....
http://www.cnn.com/2008/POLITICS/08/2...

CORRECTION to post #79:

Is John McCain the "underdog" that he claims he is?
by: Ironside

John McCain claims to be the "underdog" in the presidential race of 2008. Could he possibly be serious? Since when in America is a rich white man with 26 years in the Senate, who's a war hero, an underdog to a one term black Senator with the middle name Hussein and a last name that rhymes with Osama? John McCain should leading in the polls by at least 20 percent with his vast amount of experience. One can only wonder how it would be possible for Barack Obama to be anywhere close to competitive with so many ignorant voters believing he's a Muslim that was sworn into the Senate using the Quran, both lies of course spread by the rightwing propaganda machine knowing how bigoted some voters are. The rightwing hopes they can use bigotry to win a presidential election and meanwhile John McCain will work on convincing the American voter that Obama is a traitor that tried to "legislate defeat," another outrageous lie. The self-proclaimed straight talker that once promised to be above the fray of negative campaigning has shown the American voter that there is no level too low for him to stoop. John McCain claims he works harder as an underdog. Let's hope he doesn't believe that to be true with our troops as well and therefore uses that mindset on them by making them underdogs with all the wars he wants to have. John McCain has made is clear, he's not one for negotiations, he prefers military action!

http://politicalplace.com/mccain_unde...

OMG! John McCain doesn't know how many homes he owns! Talk about an elitist!

John McCain said in an interview with Politico on Wednesday "that he was uncertain how many houses he and his wife, Cindy, own."

"I think -- I'll have my staff get to you," McCain said. "It's condominiums where -- I'll have them get to you."

The answer, according to the group Progressive Accountability, is an even 10 homes, ranches, condos, and lofts, together worth a combined estimated $13,823,269.

What an AMAZING story!

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

JunkYard "Don't bust on me, and I won't bust on you" Dog, don't bite off more than you can chew.

You can't match wits with me. I own you time and time again. You're easy!

NOTE; how you never have anything to add to the topic. All you have are your adolescent little jabs. It's quite pathetic actually. I embarrassed for you. Have another Jim Beam.

I was told how you tried to get a mutual friend of ours to help you debate me in politics on these blogs and you were told that you shouldn't attempt to politically debate me because I'd 'tear you up'... And that was from a Republican!

You really should have taken the advice. It was given to you in your best interest.

We know the truth, no matter what you spew here.
Our mutual friend isn't liar.

pssst, I like how you're now using my slams.
They must have really bothered you.

OWNED! Too funny.

LMFAO @ U :]

JYD, you're the drug dealing pothead and drunk, not me. ;)

Seems I struck a nerve. Oh how the truth hurts. Keep digging. You're way too easy!

LMFAO @ U!

I'm moving on, you're too immature for me.

JYD, no family is perfect. My family is no exception, nor is yours. Even with any fault a family member of mine may have I love every single one of them dearly. I can only be held responsible for my own actions, and not for those of a family member.

Rest assured, no matter what you post about my family, I won't do the same to you. Families are off limits and attacking your family is not a line I'm willing to cross. If you feel that's all you have to attack my political views with, then have at it. But do understand once you do so, there's turning back from it.

Anything you have on me is fair game.

Enjoy the game. Go Fins! :]

CORRECTION:
....there's no turning back from it.

Your threats mean nothing to me. Just remember what I said.

I suggest you either stick to the topic of the discussion or simply ignore my posts.

Your personal attacks offend me none. Don't dish out what you can't take in return. You can't and won't stifle me.

I have a "sack of cats" too. :]

LOL, I can think of worst things to have a sack of.

Don't ef with me and I won't you. If you review all of our conversations you'll see who initiated what. I only dish out what I am served... And will continue to so without dragging your family into the fray of it.

Fair nuff? :]

CTI you need not instigate. :\

Be JYD careful that dynamite could blow up in your face. ;)

np CTI. :]

Use common sense ironside, you say that troops gave contributions of 6-1 to Obama over McCain.

Yeah good source, did you see there were a total of 160 contributors in the survey. If you can actually extrapulated that to a whole population of soldiers you are just flat-out ignorant.

Please stop using such unreliable sources. Neither me nor your audience appreciates such gross disregard for facts. I truly hope that before trying to decieve us all; you will try to use a bit of common sense