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Letter of the Day: ’An American thing’
Editor, Daily News:
I live in Deltona.
I awoke from a brief nod while watching “Beowulf” on DVD on loan from the Deltona Library.
My nap reflects my age rather than the quality of the movie.
I noticed that my feet were in water.
Tropical Storm Fay flood water was invading my home.
Off I went to a city-designated location for free sandbags and sand. A constant 20 to 30 people were filling sandbags in the rain with me.
I was struck by the same camaraderie and cheerful attitudes I had experienced when filling sandbags for hurricanes Charley, Frances and Jeanne.
Here are a few comments overheard from my fellow Fay sand-baggers.
“It could be 20 degrees and icy.”
“Let me help you with those.”
“Thanks for the shovel, pal.”
“Everyone who loves hurricanes, say hey!”
“Anyone bring beer?”
“Good luck, neighbors!”
This “let’s pull together and deal with this” attitude is not exclusive to Deltona. I believe it to be an American thing.
Two men were diligently working as a team filling sandbags for anyone who needed them. One of the men yelled, “Got two bags ready here.” To my surprise, he was Deltona Mayor Dennis Mulder. His partner filling the bags was City Commissioner Paul Treusch.
I later heard that the Mulder/Treusch team filled over 150 bags.
Very nice.
Lloyd Marcus, Deltona
Letter: Do the puzzle?
Editor, Daily News:
Thank you!
Thank you for enlarging the form of the Sunday crossword puzzle in the Neapolitan section.
It has been so frustrating trying to read the numbers, and then attempting to print the answers tiny enough to fit into the squares without obliterating the numbers within the squares.
I applaud you for making this improvement, and hope it will be permanent.
Lois Connors, Naples
Letter: Big help
Editor, Daily News:
I am so pleased with Barack Obama’s choice of Joe Biden as his potential vice president.
Biden will clearly be able to assist the new president in finding the men’s room.
In addition, he might be able to advise Obama that oil is needed in this country for an incredible myriad of products: creating electricity, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, industrials, etc., and not just for running our cars or heating our homes.
Zee Murray, Naples
Letter: Not so fast there
Editor, Daily News:
Don’t know who comes up with the Sunday News Quiz items, but I want to object to this wording:
A parking garage is planned for what beach area?
a. Barefoot Beach
b. Delnor-Wiggins (correct)
c. Tigertail
Proposed, not planned!
The state has not agreed to Collier County Commissioner Frank Halas’ latest harebrained scheme.
Alicia Astorga, Naples
Letter: How dry it was
Editor, Daily News:
All’s well that ends well.
When I worked, I was not a morning person. But now that I’m retired, I can’t wait to get up in the morning — a new day! — to see the sunshine, have my first cup of coffee and go outside to get the Daily News.
However, when Fay arrived I really didn’t expect a paper, as my street was flooded and the water was coming up the driveways. The drains were clogged, as has happened many times before. I waited and waited for some able-bodied neighbor to go out and unclog the drains.
So, when the rain stopped, I did it myself. The water immediately went down.
I thought maybe the paper would be delivered later. No such luck. However, I was rewarded later that evening as I walked my dog. There on the street was my paper, all wrapped in plastic, completely dry, waiting to be found.
I happily went home and had my fix. I read it from front to back.
Oh, happy day!
Dorie DesLauries, Naples
Letter: All aboard for change?
Editor, Daily News:
The day after Sen. Joseph Biden was tapped as the Democrats’ vice-presidential nominee by Sen. Barack Obama, a TV commentator asked a party spokesman who was extolling his virtues, “How do you equate the Democratic campaign of ’change’ with the fact that Sen. Biden has been in Washington for 36 years?”
If the answer wasn’t so humorous, it would be an insult to the intelligence of the voting public.
In effect, the answer to the question was, “Well, Sen. Biden may have been in Washington for 36 years, but he does go home to Delaware by Amtrak every night, and knows every conductor by name.”
This might well be, but in light of all we know about Sen. Biden’s penchant for putting his foot in his mouth, it is quite possible he does not know which conductor goes with which name.
Samuel Person, Fort Myers
Letter: Crystal ball for 2012 games
Editor, Daily News:
With the end of the Beijing Olympics, everybody is speculating about 2012 in London and who will be there.
Can Michael Phelps keep it up and go for nine golds next time. Can the little pixie Shawn Johnson keep her edge and take it all next time over the pond?
At the same time we will have presidential elections. Will it be the second term for Barack Obama or the end of John McCain’s as he hands over the office to his VP?
All these conjectures about the future fail to see a much more important possible moment that year. You see that the Mayans thousands of years ago predicted that the end of the earth would come on Dec. 21, 2012. To laugh at that might be foolish when you consider that they were able to calculate the length of the lunar year as 329.53020 days and were only 34 seconds off.
The good news is that these next world events happen in the summer and in November, so the important things in life will be out of the way by the winter solstice of 2012.
Jared Harold, Pelican Marsh
Letter: I know another
Editor, Daily News:
While travelling in Oregon, I read your story online about Naples residents traveling to the Democratic convention in Denver. Unfortunately, you omitted one name.
My wife, Ginger Lew, is also a Florida delegate to the convention. We reside in the winter at The Strand, in North Naples.
Ginger has attended many Democratic conventions and has been active in Democratic politics in California and Virginia, where we have also resided, for many years. She was a senior official in the Clinton administration, serving as general counsel in the Department of Commerce and as deputy administrator of the Small Business Administration.
Thought you would be interested in this additional information about a local resident.
C.L. Ehn, Naples
Letter: Chances of success? Slim
Editor, Daily News:
I need to get this off my chest. Or maybe my tummy.
My wife recently told me that I was fat.
Another “friend” told me I was obese. I don’t even know what “obese” means.
Well, anyway, I decided to do something about it.
On television I saw an ad for a diet plan showing beautiful, tasty-looking plates and large servings.
Then they introduced a couple of people I used to admire: Don Shula and Dan Marino. They stated how they’d lost a lot of weight, etc.
Baloney!
I’d wager they cheated.
Well, I tried it. I ordered a four-week supply of food for almost $250.
Talk about bad! It was neither tasty nor filling. It was awful.
I gave my cats some of the “tasty” lunch. They were gone for three days, and they still won’t have anything to do with me. My wife has to feed them now. They don’t trust me anymore.
My neighbors’ dog, Crabby, came by and I gave him a taste.
Crabby bit me.
Will I stick to that diet? Fat chance.
Bob Moates, Naples
Letter: Paying attention?
Editor, Daily News:
Throw it away, but equally.
A vote for a third party is a vote for the person you want the least.
It is that simple.
There are generally two categories of people who vote for a third party: emotional children who throw a tantrum because they do not get their way and those who are angry and want to make a statement, regardless of effect.
For both of you (and you are really the same), no one cares about you.
You are shouting, “Pay attention to me. I am important and what I say counts.”
Like all followers of crusaders, you are a very unhappy group, blaming us for you.
The positive side is that there seems to be a fairly equally amount of loonies driving themselves away from the left and the right.
Bruce Reichert, Naples
Letter: Hear them, it roar
Editor, Daily News:
Jeff Lytle’s Aug. 17 column mentioned the sheriff’s substation on Marco Island being converted to a multigovernment outpost, and that it was not the first time the island has “hosted a lookout for international intrigue.”
He mentions the missile tracking station, which actually was used to track U.S. missile tests.
There was a lesser-known activity on the island in the 1980s. In offices off an alleyway was a U.S. Customs Office manned by about 24 agents.
Docked not far away was their Blue Thunder boat, rumored to have a top speed of 70 mph.
When it was operating off the island at high speed, it could be heard from miles away.
Louis M. Rusitzky, Naples
Letter: Do the math?
Editor, Daily News:
An Associated Press story on Monday addressed U.S. grain exports being frustrated by shortcomings in transportation via railways, roads and rivers.
The story makes a serious math error.
“Agricultural exports last year were worth just less than $90 billion,” the story said. “If the U.S. loses just 1 or 2 percent of that market to fast-growing exporters like Argentina, it could drain between $9 billion and $18 billion from the economy.”
One or 2 per cent of $90 billion is $900 million to $1.8 billion — not $9 billion and $18 billion.
If taken at face value, without one making his own calculations, erroneous, exaggerated calculations such as these can lead to baseless fears and poor decision-making.
Anthony P. Pires Jr., Naples
Letter: Big help
Editor, Daily News:
I am so pleased with Barack Obama’s choice of Joe Biden as his potential vice president.
Biden will clearly be able to assist the new president in finding the men’s room.
In addition, he might be able to advise Obama that oil is needed in this country for an incredible myriad of products: creating electricity, chemicals, pharmaceuticals, industrials, etc., and not just for running our cars or heating our homes.
Zee Murray, Naples
Letter: Can we at least talk?
Editor, Daily News:
I find it interesting and perplexing that Collier County Public Schools Superintendent Dennis Thompson has stonewalled the Teamsters’ attempt to not only save the custodians’ jobs but also to possibly save the district millions of dollars.
My increasing frustration regarding this situation is because I am one of three teacher representatives (I am a teacher at Palmetto Ridge High School) on the district’s Health and Benefits Committee, and we have been trying to meet with district officials to review this plan since the board meeting in June. They have yet to set a date.
I have seen the entire plan. It has a few differences from the district’s current coverage, but the huge pluses are that it has a $500,000 yearly cap versus the district’s million-dollar lifetime cap. It pays 90 percent of covered costs versus 80 percent, and it includes both dental and vision.
I also was concerned about specific changes in prescription drug coverage, so I called and discussed this with the Teamsters’ director of benefits, John Slatery, until all my questions were answered. It is absolutely possible that this plan would not have been the perfect fit for Collier County schools. The unions sure would like to be able to at least sit down and discuss it before the board votes to privatize the custodial jobs on Sept. 18.
Finally, perhaps the board should heed the advice that appeared in a recent article in your Business section, reporting that the federal government may require employers to offer paid sick days. The custodians currently have this benefit but will lose it if privatized.
Tess Willbur-Williams, Naples
Letter: Doesn’t add up, yet
Editor, Daily News:
The printed rain total for Naples for Aug. 21 was .02 inches. Hardly seems possible. Noah could have navigated Airport-Pulling Road during the time frame from which the data is compiled.
Since this region is emerging from a drought, the heavy rain squalls are a welcome nuisance. Let me suggest that this fine newspaper ought to send a reporter out to the official measuring location to investigate the process used to compile the official total.
Something is fishy — no pun intended.
Shaun Sheehan, Pelican Bay








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Nice touch. Repeat some letters in case we missed them the first time.
#1 Posted by almasonlybar on August 25, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What did the Conservative/Independent/all others say to the Liberal/Some Dems:
"A fact is something that is certain and verified. Fiction is something invented/feigned".
"Why are you crying Liberal/Some Dems, asked the Conservative/Independent/all other? You thought the definitions were the opposite? Too much sugar in your kool aide. Go see the dynamic duo Braco America and President Biden for more mixed up advise."
What do you call the Lib/Dems convention: "A BOONDOGGLE"!
What is the definition of a plagiarist? Joe Biden/Mr. Personality.
What makes a lib/some dems sick? A heaping portion of facts and truth!
Oh the inhumanity...oh the egos & emotions...oh it's the Libs/Dems convention!
#2 Posted by knital on August 25, 2008 at 8:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Perhaps Michelle is the reason Obama went into the "bone head" real estate deal.
She wanted the house so bad, Obama had to get a favor from Rezko who got the money from a corrupt Iraq deal.
#3 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 9:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Eddie, did you watch this Elvis Costello video?
"What's so funny 'bout peace love and understanding?"
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-3ZXdvN...
Hmmm?
#4 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 9:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Guess everyone is watching the start of the four day coronation.
Just flipped on MSNBC and saw David Gregory, Keith Olbermann and Chris Wallace in a group hug. I think Keith just goosed David Gregory.
OOOOOHHHH! Look honey, it's Spike Lee.
Kool-Aid anyone?
And does Vegas have an over/under yet on when Hillary declares for 2012?
#5 Posted by D_IIIII on August 25, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Not watching Michelle, the chick just wants gold without swimming.
#6 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 9:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Zee Murray: You were obviously in the "men's room" when you wrote your letter to the editor. It should have been flushed down with the rest of the Republican excrement you exude.
#7 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 25, 2008 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice #2:
I realize that little things like facts shouldn't get in the way of a good post, but NOAA might disagree with some of your facts:
http://www.ncdc.noaa.gov/oa/climate/g...
#8 Posted by AARGGHHH on August 25, 2008 at 9:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Another thing that fascinates me... people who claim to believe in a 6,000 year old Universe have no problem quoting climactic data that goes back 400,000 years from ice cores.
What's with that?
#9 Posted by AARGGHHH on August 25, 2008 at 9:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#3 Knital: What kind of "compassionate conservative" are you? You didn't even begin your daily garbage with the usual phony platitudes which are your tardemark. Instead, you begin with a stream of diarhea that even Jay Leno would shirk from. Let's get some better material. Hey did you hear that the GOP sent Cindy McCain to the country of Georgia to "assess" the civilian casualties there. I really think she is drumming up interest for some Budweiser distributorships and another "kitchen table" for Johnny. Now, that's FUNNY!
#10 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 25, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bush sends Cheney to Georgia, Ukraine and Italy for "talks". I didn't know Italy had oil. Maybe the Bush neocons plan on hitting the Russians with a "wet linguini"? Why didn't Cindy get that "gig"? She could have described the "Italian boot" to Johnny. That way it won't be such a "kick" in November when Johnny goes down in flames again!
#11 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 25, 2008 at 9:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sweet...watching the democrats actually addressing issues like poverty,equality, education, health care, climate control and taking care of our vets.
What a breath of fresh air.
No wonder the gonefishin and rejoices of the world do nothing but tear down and smear with petty accusations and lies. Their guys have done nothing but help the mega rich in the past 7 years, while our country has crumbled...
where are the new ideas and new technologies?
Auf Wiedersehen to the old timers! Time for a new country, with fresh new ideas. Innovation is on the way..so get out of the way twentieth century old fogies clammering for more oil and the old guard. Let it go old guys..the new era is dawning and it will be refreshing!The hate mongers have nothing to offer.
Com'on Michelle..give em hell tonight. Smart savvy and accomplished.. we are proud to welcome her to the white house.
#12 Posted by opnmind on August 25, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I sure hope she stays on script tonight. If she wanders away from it it won't be good for Obama.
#13 Posted by D_IIIII on August 25, 2008 at 10:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Our next FIRST LADY ain't gonna be writing children's books or books about their lil dawgy, or coming up with silly slogans to address a major health issue.
MICHELLE O. will "just say no."
These are serious times and these are serious people. In January the real adults take back the house. And will solve the real problems the last administration created.
And that's one long list.
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!
#14 Posted by boulderbilly on August 25, 2008 at 10:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Anyone out there ever remember Laura Bush delivering an electric speech?
How about MICHELLE O.?
Quite the change.
America deserves it. After a near decade of mediocrity, the whole freakin' world deserves it.
WELCOME THE OBAMANATION!!!!!!!!!
#15 Posted by boulderbilly on August 25, 2008 at 11:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hi Junior,
I agree, she gave a quite a speech, and the kids at the end were priceless.
But, geez, not only do I have to pay for my own child to go to college, now I'm gonna have to pay for everyone else's? Is it time to start hiding what little money I have left after taxes and surviving under the ol' mattress again?
#16 Posted by almasonlybar on August 25, 2008 at 11:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Keith Olbermann just had an or**sm while broadcasting live on MSNBC.
http://seattlepi.nwsource.com/fun/mal...
Now that's funny.
#17 Posted by D_IIIII on August 25, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#26 - almasonlybar -
What a silly comment. Your comments are a distortion of what Obama wants to do. Don't forget that your child would be helped also. What's wrong with our taxes helping all young people go to college? Don't you think education is important? Do you think only the wealthy should have an education? I think that all people, regardless of being rich or poor, should have the same opportunities.
#18 Posted by rationalman on August 26, 2008 at 12:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tess Wilbur-Williams;
Good letter.
But now that you have called him out, I hope you are looking at teaching positions elsewhere for next year.
You know the rules. Your supposed to be a good soldier and never, ever, disagree wit da "T"
;-)
#19 Posted by Optipess on August 26, 2008 at 7:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bruce Reichert, thanks for letting us know you have decided, like the vast majority of Americans, to roll over and let the two political paties tell you whom you may vote for. Which pen full of sheep will you occupy?
#20 Posted by ke6tdy on August 26, 2008 at 7:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Meth Heads don't like Obama either.
What a bunch of losers.
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/newst...
#21 Posted by GoneFishin on August 26, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
GF,
It is indeed sad. A direct link between the "gang that couldn't shoot straight" and the mcsame campaign has been established by the Secret Service. The fact that senator mcsame has rubbed elbows with this group of white supremacists assassins certainly leads one to question his judgement. Security tapes of the Sturgis Rally, a known gathering of white supremacists, are being reviewed to see if mcsame staffers had any contact with the four individuals arrested.
#22 Posted by boulderbilly on August 26, 2008 at 8:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The mcsame campaign has refused comment other than to say "these young Republicans were mere expressing their God given right to carry sniper rifles and scopes, as guaranteed by our constitution."
#23 Posted by boulderbilly on August 26, 2008 at 8:54 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Truthmatters....it bothers me that Russia is continuing to aggravate the situation on Georgia....because the US is busy with Presidential elections and in Iraq they are flexing their muscles by remaining in Georgia and are now expanding their borders unilaterally:
MOSCOW - President Dmitry Medvedev says Russia has decided to recognize the independence of the breakaway Georgian territories of South Ossetia and Abkhazia.
In a televised address, Medvedev said he had signed a decree on the decision. Few other countries are likely to follow Moscow's move, but it is sure to further escalate tensions between Russia and the West.
Tuesday's declaration comes as Russian forces remain in Georgia.
They are staking out positions beyond the de-facto borders of the two separatist regions.
Abkhazia and South Ossetia have effectively ruled themselves since breaking away from Georgia in independence wars in the 1990s.
Russia's military presence seems likely to further weaken Georgia, a U.S. ally in the Caucasus region.
#24 Posted by Canuck on August 26, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Here is something everyone should see.
Well done, and in McCain's own words:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN10_6...
#25 Posted by opnmind on August 26, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)
A president's pension currently is $191,300 per year. Assuming the next president lives to age 80. Sen McCain would receive ZERO pension as he would reach 80 at the end of two terms as president. Sen Obama would be retired for 26 years after two terms and would receive $4,973,800 in pension.
Therefore it would certainly make economic sense to elect McCain in November.
How's that for non partisan thinking???
How's that for voting with your wallet???
#26 Posted by Canuck on August 26, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The liberal idiots are calling it "Denver's Gitmo".
So much for peaceful protests, it's the liberals who go too far these days, and then they complain about getting thrown in jail.
My liberties!
My freedom!
My free speech!
http://www.riotwatch.com/2008/08/denv...
#27 Posted by GoneFishin on August 26, 2008 at 10:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
friccio,
Thanks for the invite you extended to me yesterday to come to the beach. I will have to decline, you see, if came to the beach I would have to drop you. However you still have not answered my questions. Why aren't the VFW or The American Legion or organizations like Rolling Thunder on board with your efforts. Can you explain that to the good folks on this forum?
#28 Posted by truth on August 26, 2008 at 10:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The convention/BOONDOGGLE continues!
But there is hope! Tonight begins the end of Braco. Broom Hilary's appearance will reignite the venom and hurt the Broom's followers are feeling.
Tomorrow night could well be the "roll call of Doom for Braco". Oh the confusion...oh the entertainment value!"
Remember...a house divided against itself cannot stand!
#29 Posted by knital on August 26, 2008 at 10:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#40 "Bushie" MikeM says liberals don't care about life and says they are responsible and in league with Stalin, Pol Pot and Nixon's "buddy" Mao. Now isn't that "special"? And STUPID!
I guess you could say Ronnie Reagan and the GOP are just as guilty for giving Sadaam all those biological weapons used on the Kurds and during the Iran/Iraq (Iraq was Reagn's ally, oops, I mean "our Sadaam ally") war. Very perceptive Mike. - "Mission Accomplished!"
#30 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#47 "Bushie" Knital is very "astute" in quoting the only good Republican ever, Abraham Lincoln. That's right. "A house divided against itself cannot stand." Just like the Civil War, battles were fought then like the Democratic primary of the last 19 months. The nation came together after the Civil War just like the Democratic party will come together after their convention. The tough part will be the "Reconstruction" period after the last 8 years of Bush/Cheney/GOP devastation!
#31 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Keep dreaming knital, or I should say, watching your worst nightmare come true. The election of a black man as President.
Check out Hillary's ad denouncing mcsames ad. She correctly states that her supporters have much more in common with PRESIDENT OBAMA than senator bush, I mean mcsame.
Ya guys still don't get it. This election is as much about the last eight years as the next. Middle America is fed up with the conservative excesses.
Eddie Haskell could beat any Republican nominee in this environment.
TIME FOR CHANGE.
TIME FOR MICHELLE O. TO BRING CLASS BACK TO THE WEST WING!!!!!!!!!!
#32 Posted by boulderbilly on August 26, 2008 at 11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tamer,
Last night you left a post,"How about that Ted Kennedy? Are you digging up any Chappaquidick "material" left out of the
GOP "playbook"? You know, that kindergarten stuff you recognize so well."
Glad to think that a girl's life is "kindergarten stuff" to you. I guess your liberal agenda is justifying this. Truly a fool.
#33 Posted by DinNaples on August 26, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#43 "Bushie" Rejoice seems concerned about taking Communion and who has the "right" to receive it. From my standpoint, I'd warn Biden to be careful what priest was handing it out. You can't be sure what altar boy may have had the same hands "layed" upon him. But, then again, lay people distribute communion these days as well. I'm sure Biden can find some "clean" Republican to hand it out.
#34 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 11:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
DinNaples. Oh pardon me. I forgot that Ted Kennedy intentionally took Mary Jo to Chappaquidick to rape and kill her. Any fanatical Republican can identify an "obvious crime" like that. Face it. All The GOP advocates have been doing all these years is to try to make "political Hay" over a tragedy that they really they don't know the details or much about! You guys should clean out your own "house" first. How about starting with Kelly, Craig, etc., etc., etc.?
#35 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 11:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Algonquin says "Ted is great". He was at his greatest July 17, 1969 when he showed his real character. I hope his illness is long and painful. Let his daddy's money fix that!
#36 Posted by jimspan on August 26, 2008 at 11:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#44 Rejoice. Obama may not know if St. Louis is in the 55th or 56 th state, but he sure knows that it isn't in IRAQ! That's something Bushie and Cheney are trying to make a de facto reality by continuing the occupation after their successful "surge". $10 billion a month and going up all the time is just "chump change" for big spenders like "nation builder" Bushie.
#37 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#39 Bushie Rejoice a.k.a. Gonefishin seems to have a "pipe line" into the Kennedy compound, or maybe the liquor store that supplies the booze for Ted. Is that the Kennen "bunk"port connection? It isn't that far away. There is nothing like GOP "garbarge accusations". They are so "stimulating" to themselves!
#38 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Allgone,
First of all stupid, Tamer brought it up. Second of all why do the both of you ignore it today as you did then? The evidence was there, I was on the Cape at the time. It has since been destroyed. There are plenty of witness accounts but to you they are all dismissed as right wing extremist statements. You truly are stupid, both of you. Not even kindergarten quality. Talk about Kool Aid.
#39 Posted by DinNaples on August 26, 2008 at 11:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#59 Dinaples you sound like a "witness". Did you offer your "observations" at the inquisition? The last time I was in Martha's Vineyard, the crew on the ferry between Woods Hole and the island were having a "ball" chastising Kennedy for the incident. They were "convinced" of his "guilt" just like you. They "wanted" it so bad they could "taste" it and they were drinking stronger stuff than Kool Aid. I can't figure it out either. You think with all the money the Kennedys have they would see "the light" and cross over to the Republicans like Ronnie Reagan did. Maybe they really are "rich" in more ways than money.
#40 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You have got to be kidding AL, even the lefties don't stand up for Kennedy.
http://forums.fark.com/cgi/fark/comme...
#41 Posted by Ruger on August 26, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
We should be drilling in ANWR right now.
And Teddy's guilty.
#42 Posted by D_IIIII on August 26, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Allgone,
Give it up. What hours are you allowed out of your restraints?
#43 Posted by DinNaples on August 26, 2008 at 1:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, Russia has voted to recognize the Independence of the two separatist Georgian regions that have been at issue.
Pres. Medveded said Moscow would support whatever choice the people of Abkhazia and South Ossetia make about their future status.
We warned Moscow against recognizing them. So much for our support of freedom for two provinces that have never wanted to be part of Georgia since it broke from the Soviet Union.
Now, let's hear Georgia do the same, and let the people of those provinces democratically decide their future.
BTW Russia was unfazed by our treats.
#44 Posted by truthmatters on August 26, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Concerning John McCain not knowing how many homes or houses he had: My problem with that statement was not just that he was so rich he didn't know, but that he didn't even know about his own simple affairs.
Now tell me, how can a man who doesn't even know how many homes he has be capable of running a complex and large country like the United States of America?
BTW would someone please tell Rush Limburger that there is a Kansas City, Kansas and a Kansas City, Missouri. He was making some picky point, screwy point of where Barack was last night. I guess I didn't quite get what he was blabbering about. He was trying to find some way to criticize Obama and his little girls.
Also, Michelle Obama made a great speech last night. Wow! I can't imagine any other first lady coming close except for Hillary and even she would have a hard time matching Michelle's speaking ability.
#45 Posted by truthmatters on August 26, 2008 at 2:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Truthmatters....thanks for your note....I believe the problem today is that Russia has still not pulled their troops and from Georgia's territory.....they are still in areas outside the two provinces.....
as long as they are there it is intimidation on the population of S. Ossetia and Abkhazia by the Russians to vote their way...
a better way to handle the situation would be for Russia to pull back to their borders and have a U.N. team supervise a free election
of course this will not happen because Russia wants control of the energy routes from central Asia and the Caspian Sea
#46 Posted by Canuck on August 26, 2008 at 2:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
BTW Truthmatters.....has it ever crossed your mind why any sane person would want to run for public office when both sides will attack your character, ethics, morals, etc with innuendos, misrepresentations, embellishments of facts, distortion of those facts and outright lies???
if you kicked the slats out of your crib with your growth they would turn that around that you have a violent streak and cannot control your anger..."therefore unfit to hold office..."
regardless of political affiliation citizens should be thankful that some people will want to serve their community, country, etc despite these drawbacks
#47 Posted by Canuck on August 26, 2008 at 2:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
MikeM, now you're showing your ignorance. Russia is not voting to make South Ossetia or Abkhazia do anything. They merely, say they would recognize their decision.
That's quite different than your saying Mexico would vote to take a U.S. state. Do you see the difference or is that too complex?
I doubt now that any of those states you mentioned would vote to leave the union, however, I can't say what will happen years from now if their populations become so overwhelming Hispanic, that they make some choice like that. I've heard that some Hispanic organizations like the Council of the La Raza would like that.
Anyway, at that time, I don't know if we invaded them, killed enough of them to force them back into the states, that at that point any other country would come to their defense like we did in Kosovo and Bosnia when they opted to leave Yugoslavia.
We thought that was not only all right, we helped them do it. I doubt we would take kindly another country assisted California etc to leave the Union.
My point is, it doesn't seem that those two provinces ever did feel an affiliation with Georgia and the means that Georgia used against them to force them to be part of Georgia is not acceptable.
Also, in todays world, the North's razing of the South to force them to stay in the Union would not be acceptable either.
Actually the South had every right to secede. There was nothing in the Constitution that prevented that. It was a union, a partnership that could be broken, and even though I come from the North, I find it reprehensible what was done to the South in that War.
#48 Posted by truthmatters on August 26, 2008 at 3:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Attention "Boondoggle/Convention" Junkies:
Fact: Ted Kennedy did not report the accident with the young women in the car for more than 15 plus hours.
Imagine what that young lady experienced MENTALLY and PHYSICALLY while slowly dying. In the meantime boy wonder got a shower, changed clothes and then reported the accident.
It even gets better! This same guy is still a US Senator!!!!????
Only in America!!!!
#49 Posted by knital on August 26, 2008 at 3:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
POST #82
All you kool aide drinkers: FOCUS only on the FACT that it took Ted Life Guard Kennedy 15 plus hours to report it. If it was you or me, we would have gone to jail for at least man slaughter for leaving the scene and not reporting it. No other facts matter other than he left and took all that time and a young woman died and he is still allowed to be a US Senator!!!!?????
Only in America!
#50 Posted by knital on August 26, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#64 Rejoice. Hey your detailed description of the "scene of the crime" suggests you were in the back seat of the car. Man, that's heavy imagination on your part. Here, in your estimation, Ted Kennedy effected a "Houdini escape" while a girl was left to drown and provide a target of ridicule for Republican exploitation. Was she secretly a Republican willing to sacrifice "all" for the "cause"? Sounds like a muslim terrorists to me. How do you like that spin Rejoice? Is that how the GOP "swiftboat" specialists do it? Is that "creative" enough for you? Tangled up in his parachute huh? Sure!!!! Go Johnny!
#51 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#83 "Bushie" Knital, Why didn't Ted use his "cell phone" to report the accident? Oh, they hadn't been invented yet and he couldn't find a telephone booth on the bridge. I wonder why he didn't use his Dick Tracey two way wrist radio. You know, that comic book technology that impresses Repubulicans so well - entrepreneur stuff. 15 hours - wow! The GOP clock was running. All those witnesses on this site have it timed to the second. Even the insurance companies give you 24 hours to report an accident, but they aren't good card carrying conservatives. It isn't an excuse. Ted didn't react well. Maybe he was dazed like McCain when he parachuted from his plane. Not everyone can be a hero.
#52 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 3:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice Gallup? Are those the guys that predicted Dewey would beat Truman? And that smell you are detecting, you better hope it's not the fumes from another burning jet. You know were Johhny landed up that time. Well, maybe this time, he will be a prisoner of Cindy's and the GOP love machine. Something like Viagara Bob Dole and his "cutie" Red Cross "gal".
#53 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 3:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
FACT NOT FICTION:
Can you imagine anyone making an excuse for an adult who drives a car into the water. Swims to safety while a young lady in the car drowns. Ted the Life Guard Kennedy then makes it to a friends house, showers and then report the accident. A person was DROWING!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
For those kool aide drinkers who would wait 24 hours when a person's life is at stake have to be
insane. Leaving the scene of an accident is against the law in any state.
Thank God, Libs/left wingers are in the "MINORITY" in this country!
#54 Posted by knital on August 26, 2008 at 3:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You're right, Canuck, it takes a lot of something special to take on the job of running for office, because no matter what you do, it will be torn apart along with you and your family. Now, they're even after Biden and his religion.
I don't like that kind of politics, but it seems that's what we get every time. And, if one side tries to stick to the issues and be polite, they get the stuffings beat out of them, so I guess it's really the fault of the people for listening to negative, nasty and even lying comments about the candidates and then voting against them for those reasons.
What to do? Obama will have no choice but to go heavily negative on McCain as McCain has been doing on Obama this whole time.
Also, I'm getting pretty tired of McCain's using his prisoner of war happenstance to shelter him from everything. It's wearing real thin.
#55 Posted by truthmatters on August 26, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ET, your arguements in Teddy's defense are absurd and you sound ridiculous. How can you expect anyone to take anything you say seriously on anything if you continue to sound like an idiot on this. Kennedy is as guilty for his crime as David Vitter is for his. Does that make it easier for you to swallow?
It's time to move on from your indefensible position.
#56 Posted by D_IIIII on August 26, 2008 at 4:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I just heard that North Korea is going to stop dismantling her nuclear program and begin again. They said that the U.S. still kept them on the terrorist list, so why bother to cooperate with the U.S.
Well, let's see: North Korea starting up again. Russia thumbing her nose at us and Iraq's Maliki says he wants all of our troops out of there in 2011.
And what does McCain and Bush say to that? Let's invade Iran.
If you think we aren't losing respect around this world, think again, and it's because of the horrible leadership this administration has given us.
And don't say it's Conservative or Republican, you Right Wing idiot hawks. Don't insult Conservatives with that Neo Con garbage. The Neo Cons did this, only they.
Now all you Republicans or I should say ex Republicans newly become Neo Cons, don't you point any fingers at us true Republicans for this mess.
And it's time real Republicans ousted that bane from our party. They've been nothing but dirt on us, this country and the world.
#57 Posted by truthmatters on August 26, 2008 at 4:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Please truthmatters..........You can't have been a Republican, then, all of a sudden support a canadate like Obama. I have been reading your posts for a long time, I have never seen someone with so little knowledge go on and on and say nothing. I also beleive the Republican Party has left me, but I'm a conservative.
These are my choices for president:
Obama = Marxist/Socialist/Communist
or
McCain = Liberal Republican
#58 Posted by truth on August 26, 2008 at 5:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post #98
Your right! Time to move on!
At some point, the good Lord will take care of all those envolved in the cover up. Ted, the Life Guard Kennedy, on the other hand, may wind up wishing he drowned as well that day.
#59 Posted by knital on August 26, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"It is called multitasking. I can make bread and go on the comp[uter. I can wait for stain to dry, attend to plants, and go on the computer. I have been outside today and been to the beach. What were your accompl;ishments today? What productive activities were you involved in?"
What you do is not called not called "multitasking". "Desperate Housewives" is more like it.
Better pray that hubby doesn't find someone younger, forcing you to add the dreaded "job", and the so called multitasking becomes real.
#60 Posted by mthalo on August 26, 2008 at 6:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#96 "Bushie" DM - I wouldn't and don't expect a brainwashed Conservative Republican to think anything else than that which satisfies their warped minds. You "boys" love to judge, particularly in the style of "do as I say, not as I do". You are the modern day Pharisees that corrupt the Golden Rule and undermine religious doctrine and natural law. That's why I call you "The Enemies of Society! I detest everything you say and you can call me all the names under the sun that your GOP lexicon provides. It will only inspire me to fight your philosophy more vigorously.
#61 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 6:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#92 Bushie Knital - You were in that back seat of the car that Kennedy purposely drove into a creek. weren't you? How did you survive? 15 has gone to 24 now, and leaving the scene of an accident is sure a "swell charge" given the scene. If you visited Chappaquidick, you'd see it isn't Airport Road and Route 41. No matter, the Kennedys are "priviledged" and have a lot of nerve using all their resources in defense of themselves. No upstanding conservative Republican has ever resorted to that kind of maneuver. Gerald Ford's pardon of Richard Nixon was "for the good of the nation"! Hallujah brother!!!!
#62 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 6:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You know what Naples needs?
Mosquito spray from airplanes, lots of it. It would be a very good thing to add a large dose of marijuinna smoke to the spray and to advise all Neapolitans to go outside under the night sky and take ten deep breaths--holding each for 60 seconds.
What a hornets' nest this place is! We need a change of consciousness. Are all those Florida communities I fly over on the way home like this? Jeeze! Maybe we ought to put THC in the water?
#63 Posted by dwyerj1 on August 26, 2008 at 6:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#90 "Bushie" Rejoice - Never revealed investigation? Really? Maybe the officer should be investigated for not doing his duty if he had all the facts and knew Kennedy committed murder "just as sure as if he shot her". (Careful Rejoice, remarks like that don't make the NRA look good!) Oh, by the way is the officer a registered Republican now or a "converted" GOP adherent?
#64 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 7 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OPRAH'S COMING!!!!!!!!!!!
OPRAH'S COMING TO DENVER!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Insiders claim that each PRESIDENT OBAMA delagate will receive a new Chevrolet.
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#65 Posted by boulderbilly on August 26, 2008 at 7:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If HILLARY succeeds in uniting the party behind PRESIDENT OBAMA, she will be in the cat bird seat. It will destroy the myth of her unbridled quest for power, demonstrate a level of class seldom seen in the beltway, and show a level of maturity and wisdom.
HILLARY AS THE US VERSION OF THE IRON MAIDEN!!!!!!
The Republicans don't have a Maggie Thatcher in their ranks, do they?
LMAO.
#66 Posted by boulderbilly on August 26, 2008 at 8:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice and GoneCatFishin,
Ya may want to consider Costa Rica. Lots of retired rednecks moving down their with visions of young, tan natives and sport fishin'.
The only thing they're catching is the clap or they're beaten eatin' alive by the real estate sharks.
You'll fit right in.
Or ya can stay here for SIXTEEN YEARS of the OBAMANATION and HILLARY/BILL part two show!!!!!!!!!!
#67 Posted by boulderbilly on August 26, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sort of puts a whole new meaning on "reading...writing and arithmatic...and GUNS!!
Tue, August 26, 2008
Texas teachers packing guns
By THE ASSOCIATED PRESS
HARROLD, Texas — Along with normal first-day jitters and excitement, students in this tiny district started school Monday wondering which teachers might be toting firearms.
“It was kind of awkward knowing that some teachers were carrying guns,” said Adam Lira, 17, a senior. “I don’t feel like they should be, ‘cause we already have locked doors and cameras. But I didn’t feel threatened by it.”
Several parents said they had no idea that employees of the K-12 school were allowed to carry concealed guns on campus until recent publicity about the school board’s policy, approved quietly last fall. They said they were upset that the rural community near the Oklahoma border had not been able to give input.
While some parents said they felt their children were safer, others opposed the plan, which appears to be the first of its kind in the United States.
“As far as I’m concerned, teachers were trained to educate my children — not carry a gun. Even police officers need years of training in hostage situations,” said Traci McKay, whose three children are among the 110 students in the red-brick Harrold school. “I don’t want my child looking over her shoulder wondering who’s carrying a gun.”
#68 Posted by Canuck on August 26, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, Truth, I was a Republican, but I can't take this bunch. I was a pro choice Republican like the majority are. I was what George Bush alluded to when he first ran, a compassionate conservative. I believe we should help our people who can't help themselves because of infirmity or causes not of their choosing or fault.
I don't believe in nation building and interfering with other nation's internal affairs. Remember, like Bush said when he first ran, "We are not the policemen of the world. We are not nation builders."
I must vote for Obama because Ron Paul didn't make it. I didn't agree with Ron Paul on everything, but his foreign policy and fiscal responsibility with smaller less wasteful Federal Government and more States Rights were what I believe in. He didn't believe in all this dictatorial spying on citizens either.
I support Obama for his foreign policy which will be much better for our safety and our relationship with the world. I like that he believes in education and giving people the opportunity to improve themselves. I like that he believes in strong families and hard work to achieve and be the best you can be.
He has strong ethics inspite of the vicious rumors that roam this site.
I think he would be wise enough to support business and give incentives for industry to stay here instead of leaving our country.
Although I wish he talked more of nuclear energy, I know he's not against it and would consider it and off shore drilling as part of the mix, but not the prime parts.
I think he would be more fiscally responsible than this administration, but then anyone could do that.
The reason I cannot vote for John McCain at all is that he scares the living daylights out of me with his thoughtless, rash behavior that could get us into terrible confrontations that could kill this country. He shoots from the hip, is a shallow thinker and still thinks he fighting wars. He is not a stateman.
I will say, if it weren't for McCain's frightening personality on foreign policy, I could stomach him on domestic policy because he's not near as wasteful in spending than Bush, but then who is?
As I said before I come from a business background, so I understand the struggles that business must go through, the many hurdles they must tackle and the weight of government on their backs for so many things which required more and more that you had to be a parent instead of an employer to your employees, and yet you were a person just like they were but carrying not only your own weight and the weight of the business but the weight of looking after every employee and their families too. There have to be some returns or no one would do it.
#69 Posted by truthmatters on August 26, 2008 at 8:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, I'm off to watch the convention. Hillary can be a star or a fizzle for the Democrats. And those who are in a snit better know, if they don't like Barack at least he won't sabotage everything the Democrat Congress wants to do. Those poor loser pouters better think about what they do to their Democrat Congress if they vote for McCain.
#70 Posted by truthmatters on August 26, 2008 at 8:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Junior,
I realize you're excited. Don't throw away your common sense. I mean, what happens if BO doesn't win??
#71 Posted by almasonlybar on August 26, 2008 at 9:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, it's Rambosk in a landslide! I guess I'm psychic. Surprise, surprise.
#72 Posted by almasonlybar on August 26, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Phew... You're right Gram. Sorry.
#73 Posted by boulderbilly on August 26, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#108 "Bushie" MikeM; There you go again. Challenge "malignant capitalism" evidenced by a Halliburton Iraq "monopoly" and one becomes a marxist, communist, socialist. When will the public accept the "trickle down economic policies" of the Conservative Republican party? They just don't know what is good for them, a rich, elite, powerful, influence wielding class society that "protects" their "rights" just like those great plantation owners of "our" Confederacy. Man, people need to know, that like Republicans always say that taxpayers can handle their money better than the government, they can't on the other hand conduct competitive business on an equal basis for established entities within the Big Business orbit. This is a disparity that only Republicans understand since they have the financial means to pay for it.
#74 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 26, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ET
"You "boys" love to judge, particularly in the style of "do as I say, not as I do".
Are you serious, this is your arguement in the defense of Ted Kennedy in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. I have never, intentionally or not, driven my car off of a bridge and left a young woman inside to die. I have not waited 15 hours to report it to police while she gasped for breath. Why didn't your golden boy Teddy jump back into the water to get her out? And your argument about it not being 41 and Airport is silly and has no meaning in the discussion.
#75 Posted by D_IIIII on August 26, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bruce Reichert, thanks for continuing this country's apparently unending spiral into the nearest toilet. Not only are you bereft enough of intelligence to believe that you simply must vote with the majority no matter what that vote is for, you apparently have been so blinded by status quo (or would you call it "tradition"?) that you call anyone who votes otherwise a "spoiled child."
I certainly know which side you would have been on during the Revolutionary War -- that of King George.
#76 Posted by Pontiaction on August 26, 2008 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is not the first letter I have read that is critical of Bruce Reichart today. I believe that he is stating that to vote for a 3rd party candidate, one who is not viable, it is actually a vote for the candidate that you prefer least.
This year it means that a vote for Bob Barr is actually a vote for Obama, because McCain would not get your vote. In past years it would have meant that a vote for Nader would have been a vote for the Republican candidate because your vote was not cast for the Democratic candidate.
Am I missing something, or are the critics of Bruce's letter?
Am I missing something?
#77 Posted by D_IIIII on August 26, 2008 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am tired of hearing about Haliburton this and Halliburton that. Can any one of you "moonbats(and thanks for the term)" come up with any company in the world that can accomplish what they can do? As far as I know there is none. But please liberals, educate me you are all so much smarter than I am.
#78 Posted by D_IIIII on August 26, 2008 at 11:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#119 Right DM, you have all the details of what happened from "authoritative" sources. And you also would make the valiant effort like anyone who has seen a heroic Hollywood movie would do. It comes so natural to red blooded individuals like you imply you are. Oh, sorry about the Airport route 41 comparison, I thought that might be too deep for you to comprehend. The jail and a lot of traffic are around that intersection compared to the barren Chappaquidick site. Heavy stuff for the "astute".
#79 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 27, 2008 at midnight (Suggest removal)
Phew! Yeah MikeM, Clinton and the Democrats are responsible for the Halliburton contracts etc,.
No bid contracts are "touchy". You need to have a "connection" and "reputation" for being able to do all kinds of jobs like installing showers, doing Kp, building schools and even supplying oil field equipment. There aren't any or at least many smaller firms that could do those jobs effectively and at such "bargain" rates as Halliburton. (Ahem) Oh, and if you follow the market, or if you did before Iraq. Halliburton stock performance would parallel stocks like Schlumberger and other oil related companies. But, the company has "expanded" its operations since Dick Cheney got "associated" with it. Hmmm
#80 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 27, 2008 at 12:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ET-
It's less than 3 miles from the bridge where Kennedy left the young lady to drown to town. Why 15 hours to get there?
#81 Posted by D_IIIII on August 27, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bruce Reichert's response. One person who answered got it and said it very well. Thanks. For the fanatics who see a vote for the "lesser of evils" as a sell out, your emotional arrogance belies your lack of rational discernment. Expecting to be 100% or nothing is not a way to win anything. One step at a time is more likely to get you where you are trying to go.
#82 Posted by worldhotel on August 27, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
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