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Letter of the day: Love you, man
Editor, Daily News:
One of the bright spots in my day is reading letters to the editor.
Some make me laugh, while others make me want to cry. Some writers are of the rabid right and others on the loony left.
There are also the religious nuts, the atheists and agnostics, the thoughtful, the dumb, the environmentalists and the champions of big oil.
We have the Bush-bashers, the Barack Obama haters, the tax-and-spend Democrats and the borrow-and-spend Republicans.
This is so much more fair and balanced than Fox News or MSNBC.
Keep those letters coming, guys! Together you represent one of the many reasons I feel privileged and proud to live in this wonderful democracy we call America.
Tom Robinson
Bonita Springs
Line drawn in the sand
Editor, Daily News:
Gung-ho lovers of an unjust war, take note: You are off base.
Your government has long since admitted Iraq was a mistake, that there was absolutely no justification for invading. And our commander in chief, President Bush, has finally agreed to a time line for withdrawal.
Letter-writer John Riccio’s crosses in the sand are not a political statement, but a prophesy and moral indictment. They show a human empathy for the fallen.
Riccio knows what you refuse to believe, that courageous, duty-bound soldiers have been unfeelingly sacrificed in vain, by a pseudo-warrior, whose own protected military service ill-prepared him to send men into battle.
That fact alone is worthy of the condemnation of an irate country by impeachment.
Every casualty in Iraq is a disgrace, every death a tragedy. Instead of damning those who have the civil courage to speak out, let fanatics enamored of militant conquest and false heroics direct their anger to the proper address on Pennsylvania Avenue, in Washington, while the present incumbent is still lamely quacking away.
It takes more guts to tell it like it is than to exercise power unwisely.
And when there is bad news you don’t blame the messenger.
H.C. Klingman, Naples
Work past and future
Editor, Daily News:
My family and I would like to wholeheartedly and humbly thank the Collier County community for their overwhelming support for my candidacy for sheriff.
This campaign was truly a remarkable experience that allowed me to meet so many people and hear their ideas about keeping our county safe. I have learned so much from them and they have motivated me to take on the issues we face with full determination and deep commitment.
Thank you to all of my supporters. Whether you volunteered at one of our many events, marched with us in the parades, waved signs with us at intersections on election day or offered kind words during the campaign, you all were a huge part of my success in this election.
I look forward to getting back to work and moving ahead with my plans for the future of law enforcement in Collier County.
As your sheriff, I hope to work with all of you so we can make a difference.
Kevin Rambosk Collier County sheriff-elect
An inside job
Editor, Daily News:
The information I read in the newspaper and hear on the broadcast media indicates to me the leasing of Alligator Alley is a done deal and was from the first public announcement by Florida Department of Transportation officials of their intentions.
That is to say, they never even considered the public opinion in the matter.
After due reflection of these circumstances, it has come to me, in light of their justification for the lease action, that the DOT has been poorly run for the past several years, which resulted in the current dilemma of how to pay for construction of new roads and maintenance for existing roads.
This failure to properly plan for road construction and maintenance is a direct reflection on the previous and existing administration of the DOT, and I feel the governor should call for an investigation into the operations of the DOT with an eye to replacing some of the incompetents who are presently employed.
That is, if the governor’s office is not complicit in the dereliction of operations that is apparent.
J. David Curry Sr., Chokoloskee
Manners matter
Editor, Daily News:
Re: Letter from Gordon Vanscoy about the Naples restaurant refusing to seat his son wearing an Olympics-style cap.
In this day and age where “dressing up” consists of putting on your best blue jeans, thank goodness someone is trying to help the public have a few basic manners.
A gentleman will always remove his hat — no matter how fashionable — while dining.
Linda Parsons
Naples
A new low
Editor, Daily News:
Last week in the mail, we received not one but three of the nastiest political attack ads I have ever seen.
The malicious diatribe against Collier County School Board member Linda Abbott was totally out of the realm of acceptable criticism.
And who in heck is the Association for a Better Collier County Inc.? It seems to be union-backed.
As a former public-school teacher in Maryland, I was a member of the National Education Association and quit because of too much left-wing political involvement.
My message to the so-called Association for a Better Collier is this:
If you have a candidate to support, by all means give us his/her credentials. But don’t crucify a candidate just because you disagree with him or her.
Mary E. DePrisco, Naples
Something more to celebrate
Editor, Daily News:
What planning. What timing!
And here we were resigned to Olympic withdrawal when the games ended.
And then the conventions started. Re-glued to our TV sets, we’re watching “history being made” once again. This “history” is in the political arena of the conventions instead of the playing fields and swimming pools of China.
Excitement’s high. Just as it was during the Olympics — tears and cheers are genuine and, from our living rooms, we join in.
We Americans always had a soft spot for the underdog, those who succeed despite, and we’ve certainly seen that. But we do love our winners. And, unabashedly, we love our country.
So, no matter our political party, we’re all reveling in the American party.
Be there!
Arlene Rutstein, Bonita Springs
Daring — and a success
Editor, Daily News:
When Jackie Robinson broke baseball’s color line the single fact that resonated throughout the land was that he was a Negro. America, then, as it is today, is in the cross hairs of change.
Robinson’s journey to baseball’s Hall of Fame was immortalized in song with lyrics asking, “Did you see Jackie hit that ball?”
America did not have long to ponder because the nation’s imagination and wonder of the man was buoyed with the shocking revelation in song that not only did he hit that ball but he stole home, too.
Monday night’s address by Michelle Obama was a prime-time introduction to America that clearly illustrated that the Obamas are in tune with and indeed very much like us when it comes to matters and issues that affect our lives — things like family values, education, health care, jobs and a host of American values that frame our nation as the great reservoir of democracy, hope and change.
Like Jackie Robinson, Michelle Obama accepted the challenge and stepped up to the plate, peered courageously out into the field of play and soundly hit the ball — and, like Jackie Robinson, she, too, stole home.
Garland Edmonson, Naples
Crackdown actually backfires
Editor, Daily News:
Your editorial about Allstate should be titled “Allstate decision shows how government continues to get it wrong.”
Your naivete is astounding. The Florida property insurance market is the most dysfunctional in the nation, and this latest travesty is just another example of why it is in such dire straits.
Our wonderful bureaucrats have socialized the insurance market by not letting rates reflect the true costs of providing insurance. All policyholders are now paying surcharges on their private insurance policies to pay for losses previously incurred by the state-run Citizens Property Insurance Corp. because our brilliant demagogues in Tallahassee won’t let Citizens charge rates adequate for the risks it incurs.
And I don’t even want to think about the consequences to Florida taxpayers when the next large catastrophic event occurs. The crying and whining will be deafening.
The Florida property-insurance market is a classic case of government meddling in the free market (and the insurance market is far from free as it is heavily regulated, including rate regulation requiring that rates must be adequate, not excessive, not unfairly discriminatory, and first approved by the insurance department before implementation).
When prices for a product are artificially controlled with no concomitant reduction in costs, providers will do the only sensible thing — stop providing. But the insurance regulators won’t let that happen. And they have the power to force companies to charge inadequate rates in one line of insurance by threatening to pull their licenses for all lines, and of course publicly demonize the company at the same time. Shameful.
Editorials like yours are disappointing, to say the least.
George Fellows, Naples
We can fix the mess
Editor, Daily News:
This year, in particular, the fact that our presidential election system is broken should be evident to every American.
While the present case is truer for Democrats, Republicans have no reason to rest easier.
Sadly, our current presidential electoral system was devised by and for America’s earliest aristocrats. It is not and never has been a democratic process, and it never will be unless we unite across party lines and demand reform.
During the nearly 40 years that I’ve been eligible to vote, I’ve done so at every opportunity, worked hard to be well-informed and observed that, while “of the people” is a constant outcome, “for the people” is less reliably so; and “by the people” is never truly the case.
I urge all voters to visit Sen. Bill Nelson’s Web site, read his proposal for reforming our presidential election process and write your representative and other senator in support of his proposals. Then urge everyone you know across the country to do likewise.
Until we can nominate and choose our presidents by direct election, the phrase “of the people, by the people and for the people” will remain empty rhetoric.
Georgina Russo, Naples
’Just a hack job’
Editor, Daily News:
I am writing in response to John Riccio’s recent ranting about John McCain’s service record.
I am a Vietnam veteran, with two tours in country and an additional 30 years of service.
I find Riccio’s latest comments offensive to me and all veterans, past and present.
I am quite sure that the majority of Americans, veterans, politicians and John Kerry himself, would denounce your opinions for what they truly are — pure hate.
If you are trying to gain support for your cause with your attack on a great American, McCain, may I suggest it works just the opposite. It sends people running in the other direction. Your comments don’t reflect any political party, or if someone supports or doesn’t support the war. It was just a hack job on someone who has served his country and protected your right to write the venomous things that you do.
Mr. Riccio, you need to get off the editorial pages and try Dear Abby or Dr. Gott. They might be able to guide you toward the professional help that you need to deal with your hate and anger issues.
Notice, I said might.
Bob Howard , Bonita Springs
His right to be wrong
Editor, Daily News:
I was disturbed after reading John Riccio’s letter to the editor, but he certainly has his right to express himself.
And, as I have no desire to engage in written political conflict, I chose to ignore it. But I find I cannot “let it pass.” This is not political.
As a Vietnam veteran, I am proud that I was privileged to serve and believe everyone who served deserves respect.
He is right about John McCain. He got himself shot down and survived harsh treatment! He never should have let that missile take the wing off his plane!
Hey, Mr. Riccio, you don’t get it. Sir, you need to understand that his fellow captives were inspired by McCain’s resistance and loyalty to his country. You need to hear one of his fellow captives talk about his leadership during the years of brutalization. It is a fellowship you and I are lucky to never have to know.
They are all heroes — the prisoners of war, those 58,256 guys whose names appear on The Wall and all of those who went back to help others (including John Kerry and Chuck Hagel).
It is only glory for those who choose to make it so. McCain is no more or less a hero than any of these and is due the respect and recognition for what he has endured.
If you oppose his campaign, that is your business, but you’re demeaning the service of anybody who served.
Your views are a sorry example of an American. Hopefully our nation does not deteriorate to the point that you will have to “get it.”
For now, be glad you live in it.
Art Garrison , Naples
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All of Alz Angels
Editor, Daily News:
So often when you pick up a newspaper, all you read about are complaints, war and devious politicians.
I like to read about good news.
The good news is that Naples has the best Alzheimer’s Support Network in the state of Florida — and that’s not just my opinion. If there were ever angels on this Earth, they would all be working for this support group.
To be a caregiver to a person with Alzheimer’s is like living on a roller coaster. It has its ups and downs; you never know where you will go or how to get there; it can make you dizzy and often make you sick.
The Alz Angels take the ride with you. They are there for you 24/7, only a phone call away.
At the biweekly meetings, they educate you about the disease, share ideas, help with future planning and give out lots of hugs and tissues as needed. When emergencies happen, and day care or placement is needed, the Alz Angels are right there with you.
God bless you, Marianne Troy, Debbie Fulton, Steve Edminston, Chuck and Suky Pollard, Nan Knauer and all the volunteers who help them. You have lightened the burden of so many caregivers, and I am eternally grateful to all of you.
You can contact them at 262-8388.
Joanne Mahoney, Naples
Always on duty
Editor, Daily News:
I am so angry I could spit nails.
You know that I have amyotrophic lateral sclerosis (ALS or Lou Gehrig’s disease). My speech is garbled and you know nobody can understand me.
Recently I was able (with the help of my daughter) to go to the cemetery to see my husband’s grave. Would you believe that it still does not have a headstone on it? He died Dec. 10.
He was buried in the veterans section; he was buried in his uniform. He was so proud of being a first sergeant in the reserves; he was also in the Navy in the Korean War.
My daughter is here from Michigan. She did the calling for me to the funeral home. They told her that they forgot to notify the Department of Veterans Affairs to order the headstone.
Can you imagine that any company would let it go for nine months, with no one doing anything about it?
I wrote to them about my husband’s gold wedding ring many months ago. It was not on his hand at the funeral parlor. They must have taken it off. I noticed that it was missing. They never answered my letter.
I am supposed to be buried next to him when I die, because I am a veteran, also of World War II.
I don’t trust them. I don’t want them to do to me what they did to Harold.
I want the whole world to know what can happen if you are not watching.
Mary Ellen Payne, Naples
Looking it up
Editor, Daily News:
As I am a life member of the Disabled American Veterans (DAV), maybe I can shed some light on the Tom Macchia/John Riccio debate.
Macchia is right when he notes the DAV does not get into partisan politics. The organization’s answer to his question says that much.
But, Tom, in your angry credulity you asked the wrong question. The question to ask the DAV would be, does it record legislators’ voting performance on issues the DAV supports? Yes, it does.
The latest tally for John McCain is 11 votes for DAV-supported issues, 16 against and five votes not scored, because McCain either abstained or was not present to vote. Not voting is not supporting the DAV; or, at the least, it is avoiding adding to McCain’s anti-vets record.
McCain’s latest batting average is 11 of 32, or 34.4 percent. That is up from last year’s 20 percent. But it is an election year after all; he would want to keep appearances up just a bit, one would think.
Riccio may have reported old numbers from the DAV, but he is right to conclude McCain is not really much of a friend to vets. The numbers talk pretty straight, even if the candidate won’t.
Want to check the McCain numbers out? Go to www.dav.org. Then go to legislation, Legislative Action Center, elected officials, Arizona, senators.
As for all those veteran organization awards McCain says he got, there is nothing recently from the DAV nor from many other vet groups that I could find.
Macchia may want to ask the campaign to give names, dates and places of these awards.
Love to see if he gets a straight answer or just another recitation of how long he spent in the Hanoi Hilton.
Jim Maguire, Marco Island
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Mary Despriscio = You made the right move. You now live were unions are taboo and everyone has the right to work - CHEAP!
Bob Howard: You do sound like a 30 year man. I bet you lived off base too, didn't you? Man, I used to admire you guys. You always made me feel so glad my enlistment was up (so unpatriotic - sorry) and you were there to earn a living instead of resorting to crime or something negative. It was like "killing" two "birds" with one stone.
#1 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 28, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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#2 Posted by glennballenger on August 28, 2008 at 9:24 p.m.
THE DENVER ADDRESS was phenomenal!!!!!!!!!
PRESIDENT OBAMA has challenged the old fella to a direct debate concerning who is best qualified to be Commander and Chief.
Hmmm. That will be interesting. A guy that graduated #3 at Harvard Law as editor of the law review vs. a really nice older gent that scraped the cellar at the Naval Academy and can't remember how many houses he has, much less what he ate for lunch yesterday.
Seriously, I hope the neocons don't do this to mini me as a Hail Mary. The guy honorably served this country and deserves some respect. It is like putting Archie Bunker in the ring with Ali.
Please fellas, let him retain some dignity when he goes home in September.
AND OWN YOUR FAILURES!!!!!!!!
#3 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 10:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Winning and sailing!!!!!!!!!
To a bright future filled with change, ideas, growth, education, health care.
You know, the wonderful things we as taxpayers give to the Iraqi's, those same things bush and mini me deny Debbie that lives next door to you.
This games already over. Grampa thinks you are middle class if you make $5 million a year.
OWN YOUR FAILURES!!!!!!!!!
The buck used to stop in the oval office.
#4 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
THE DENVER ADDRESS.
Some of us will be able to tell our grandchildren where we were when we witnessed it.
The other guys voted for mini me.
LOL.
#5 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 11:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Inquis, perhaps you may want to look at the response across the board.
The guy hit it out of the park.
Can't wait to hear mini me. Pssst. Make sure he knows what town he is in before he speaks. He looked ridiculous in Fl. The video is on YouTube.
LMAO.
Want to see it?
#6 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 11:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think I can find it. Should I post it guys?
#7 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 11:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
He's too black.
He's too white.
He's too intelligent.
He's is nothing but an exceptional orator.
He's inexperienced.
He's too immersed in Chicago politics.
The scariest thing to the neocons?
HE IS TOO POPULAR!!!!!!
LMAO.
TOO MANY PEOPLE LIKE HIM!!!!!!!!!!
#8 Posted by boulderbilly on August 28, 2008 at 11:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Seriously now, this is indeed important. Lives may depend upon it.
Does anyone here have experience running horse shows and is also a large Republican donor?
Please fax your resume to the White House ASAP.
We've got one helluva storm heading towards New Orleans and Brownie is too busy doing a helluva job elsewhere.
George and mini me will save the day!!!!!!
#9 Posted by boulderbilly on August 29, 2008 at 12:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#6Mike M: Mikey, you don't have to "sweat it" out. Your "Bushie" has the "opportunity" to pardon all those "loyal REpublican supporters" before he leaves the White House. Of course, God could "intervene" like he did with Kenny Lay and spoil all the "fun".
Oh and about pursuing all those guys that attacked us on 9/11 etc. I've been meaning to ask "Bushie" and my GOP representatives why this guy Osama (not Obama) is still running around free? They ought to get a Garmin locater or some CIA guys like they took under their wing during the Iraq WMD "project", to put the "kabash" on those terrorists. If it only wouldn't "hurt" or dissturb their oil "buddies". Problems, problems, problems.
#10 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 5:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Inquisitive: Boy, (hope you are a boy)you sure are a busy guy today. Is it OBAMA SHOCK! after last night's speech?
But getting down to business, the one "observation" you made about the troops still in Iraq after the Democrats said they'd bring them home in 2006. You know, that struck me too as sort of a "sore spot". It seems, as I recall, Bushie "stood up" and took notice and refused to go along with any congressional legislation that would have made withdrawal possible. (Who in their right mind would give up two years of oil "revenue" for a "few lives"?) He actually started to use terms like VETO, something he hadn't known about the previous 6 years of GOP domination in congress. Oh, of course, the Democrats could have tried to overturn the veto, but those loyal Bushie/Cheney adherents would have none of that. They didn't want a primary battle for being "disloyal" to the GOP. Remember Ronnie Reagan's 11th commandment, "Thou shall not "bum rap" a fellow Republican) (He was "very religious", especially when it came to marriage, family and divorce. He was a "stickler" on those things as long as they went in his favor or benefit.)
Yeh, it's all there. The Democrats "reneged" on their pledge. Let's see now, if the Democrats win the White House = no veto and if they control congress, well..... It's going to be an "inquisitive" situation for some "people".
#11 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 5:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
js, Your rock is begging you to come home. Your posts make all these other right-wing dolts look like they are geniuses. Please craw back soon.
#12 Posted by bossman1 on August 29, 2008 at 6:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Art, I agree with most of your letter, McCain is not a hero but deserves respect as most people do.
McCain had that respect from all including J.R untill he made himself out to be a hero because he spent 5 1/2 years as a POW, made up stories about his detention and used it for political gain. Most Americans and Vet's are tired of McCain answering questions about his homes, time in the service and anything else he has a tought time answering with his POW 'story'.
JR is angry 'yes', but also works hard to honor all of our fallen servicemen much more than you, me, or McCain who will do anything or say anything to become elected.
McCain wasn't always this way, he has changed, too bad.
#13 Posted by bossman1 on August 29, 2008 at 6:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Howard, Please don't try to impress with your long military service record. You stayed in the military for your own reasons and recieved payment, room and board, medical, and retierment pay for it. Your opinion about John doesn't hold any more weight than anyone else. That said, thank you for your service.
Give a little more back to all of us for employing you for 30+ years and help John honor the fallen, he will greet you with open arms.
#14 Posted by bossman1 on August 29, 2008 at 6:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Greetings from PARADISE!!!
CHANGE - Something to hope and wish for. In politics it takes a 51% majority to affect change! Where during the BOONDOGGLE did they lay out their step by step procedures to do so??????
We are talking about reality... so get real!
What are their steps to get to 51% for each issue they hope to change????????????
AS the old saying goes "TALK IS CHEAP...SHOW ME THE RESULTS!"
#15 Posted by knital on August 29, 2008 at 7:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
oldtimer #30......why would you try to link the arrest of that ABC reporter with the Democratic convention
they had nothing to do with the Denver police asking him to move away from the entrance to the hotel and his refusal
in an area with such high security in place one would have to believe you first obey a law enforcement officer and question his action later
your connection to the convention does not wash
#16 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The DENVER ADDRESS is being compared to the "I have a dream speech."
Main St. America is abuzz with excitement. PRESIDENT OBAMA has clinched the role as the first inspirational leader of the new generation. Comparisons by the press to JFK abound.
A new leader for a new America.
Or you could sttle for mini me and the same old tired, failed policies.
Denver and Boulder thank our new President for picking our city for what has already become an iconic speech for a NEW AMERICA!!!!!!!!
The worlds press is packing up and moving to New Orleans for Gustav.
mini me's speech may be available in the St. Paul Minn. Times opinion page after their reporters return from hurricane coverage in a week or so. If anyone is still interested.
#17 Posted by boulderbilly on August 29, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Inquis
Perhaps if the neocons on this forum would not make assinine statements about the size of MICHELLE O's rear end than perhaps you wouldn't open yourselves up to criticism for your outright racist beleifs.
Sorry. You asked for it.
Ouch.
#18 Posted by boulderbilly on August 29, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Inqui
Does the Ummmm in your post mean Obama's speech had a poor delivery?
You should check your comcast connection if that's the case. Your tv has to be cutting in and out. If thats not it check your blood sugar.
#19 Posted by memphismedic on August 29, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
the Chicago Tribune has just announced...from a reputable Republican source...that John McCain has picked Alaska Govenor Sarah Palin as his running mate
#20 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
oops...that should read "Governor"
also now just confirmed by CNBC
that means the Dems have a younger Presidential candidate and an older VP
and the Repubs have an older Presidential candidate and a younger VP
pretty good balancing
#21 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 10:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#110 yesterday - Canuck -
Just because someoone disagrees with you, doesn't make them hateful.
#22 Posted by rationalman on August 29, 2008 at 10:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oldtimer......the name is CANUCK...if that is too difficult for you just say C
there were two drug related murders in Denver last night....were they also a fault of the Democratic convention?????
you are really reaching far to connect the two!!!!!
as for the Obama/hospital question...just like a right winger to tell and post only half the story that distorts the meaning
the program MO created to take patients that could be treated at walk in clinics and therefore free up space in busy emerg rooms for serious illnesses was DONE IN CO-OPERATION WITH THE HOSPITALS and at their request:
from your sun times site:
"
Michelle Obama -- currently on unpaid leave from her $317,000-a-year job as a vice president of the prestigious hospital -- helped create the program, which aims to find neighborhood doctors for low-income people who were flooding the emergency room for basic treatment. Hospital officials say such patients hinder their ability to focus on more critically ill patients in need of specialized care, such as cancer treatment and organ transplants.
Obama's top political strategist, David Axelrod, co-owns the firm, ASK Public Strategies, that was hired by the hospital last year to sell the program -- called the Urban Health Initiative -- to the community as a better alternative for poor patients. Obama's wife and Valerie Jarrett, an Obama friend and adviser who chairs the medical center's board, backed the Axelrod firm's hiring, hospital officials said"
you purposely left off the last sentence of the paragraph you posted to deceive the reader!!!!
#23 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 10:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rationalman....re your #49
perhaps you agree with the posts of the Heretic...but you will note he has been banned...FOR THE FOURTH TIME......for "inappropriate posts" and those posts have been removed
perhaps someone in control of this forum also deemed them to be hateful..or at least inappropriate
disagree all you want Eddie but don't post insults and hate
#24 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 11:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama promised us a lot of things in his speech last night. Time will tell if all the things he wants to do can be accomplished. Although I will vote for him, I don't consider him my lord and saviour. I'm disinchanted by what politicians say they will do. I'm not easily hynotized.
I'm not sure what kind of health care he has in mind for this country. It doesn't sound like universal health care to me.
I saw the documentary "Sicko" and according to Michael Moore, medical care is free in Canada, England, France and even Cuba has a fantastic health care system. Is Obama going to give us that kind of medical care?
Medical care in this country is for profit, and millions of people can't afford medical care. Our system doesn't save lives, it kills people. I hope our country will soon come to its senses and help suffering people instead of making the rich people even richer.
I can't wait to see the Republican convention and see what MCain has to offer. Will it be just more of the same government of the rich, for the rich, and by the rich? We are fast becoming a third world country, and if there aren't lots of changes made, we may become part of the third world.
At least we have hope if Obama becomes president. I sure don't want to see more of the same that we've had for the last eight years. We might not survive as a democratic nation.
#25 Posted by rationalman on August 29, 2008 at 11:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
i imagine most of those writing in are in the
autumn or winter of their lives. so I ask...do
you really think a 73 year old man who has never
held a real job...run this country??? i am 80 and
have held many responsible positions in industry
and i think back to when i was 73 and recognize that the stress of the presidents job would have
been overwhelming. in addition, the person he has
chosen to be vp is in the same position as obama
lacking experience...what have we done to this
country by selecting these 2 as our leaders???
#26 Posted by berne4822 on August 29, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
JS, except the moron tag while you can get it. It is very generous for You.
#27 Posted by bossman1 on August 29, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
McCain's VP pick is very bold. A young, nice looking woman, It's good to see a Republican who like's women anyway.
But desperate, he will do anything to become President. This old man with questionable health picks a VP who hasn't been out of Alaska her whole life and thinks beating baby seals with a baseball bat is good sport. Doesn't McCain care at all what would happen to our country if she were to become President overnight. Should the VP be someone who can do the job if needed, not just someone who can help you get elected?
#28 Posted by bossman1 on August 29, 2008 at 12:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
JS, Thanks for your concern, I'm sure you really mean it. When did they let you out? Do us all a favor and at least take your meds.
#29 Posted by bossman1 on August 29, 2008 at 12:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Time to watch McCain on TV now.
#30 Posted by bossman1 on August 29, 2008 at 12:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I am neither republican or democrat. I supported RON PAUL. Last night i watched the democrat convention (even tho i wanted to puke)I listened to him say he didnt want 8 more years of Bush/Mccain, what he forgets to mention , democrats have been in control of the senate for the last 2 years.he said he will change everything, What has he done in the last 2 years ,NOTHING, people we are SCREWED,both are members of the CFR, big buinness is running AMERICA. They both will give 37 million illegals AMNESTY. Please all take some time to check both of these guys out. before its too late.
#31 Posted by lassie on August 29, 2008 at 12:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WOW, McCain picked a former union boss for his VP and her husband is a member of the United Steel Workers. Those thugs, evil union members, didn't McCain know? lol
#32 Posted by bossman1 on August 29, 2008 at 12:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Both are members of CFR, big buisness is running AMRICA ,they want NEW WORLD ORDER, NORTH AMERICAN UNION, AMNESTY, PLEASE people do some research . look up COUNCIL FOREIGH RELATIONS, Our country is at stake here.
#33 Posted by lassie on August 29, 2008 at 12:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mini me must be looking for a new wife.
That's OK though , his wife got a new tennis instructor as well.
Neocon family values.
LMAO.
#34 Posted by boulderbilly on August 29, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, I can see it's useless to explain the workings of the Congress vis a vis the President to Inquisitive et al. The only way the Democrats could have gotten votes to override the president was to get some outsiders in to vote. Come on, you Neo Cons can't be that dumb. But then again, maybe you are.
As for McCain's pick for V.P. he just sewed up the presidency, ---for BARACK OBAMA.
I was so relieved he didn't pick Romney because he would have added to the ticket immensely. But, McCain picked a woman, thinking any woman would get the women's vote.
Well, any woman won't get the women's vote. She has to care about women's issues or she may as well be a man.
Obviously this woman, Palin, is against women's Right to Chose, therefore she's against women as having any rights to her own body and any intelligence about when she can have a baby or not.
Also, what's she doing with a little baby and running for a demanding public office. That baby needs her attention. Good grief, what kind of mother takes a job like V,P. of the U.S. having to be ready for the demanding job of the presidency when she has a little baby?
Now I'm pro choice, but I'm more pro life in taking care of that little baby than she is.
If you want to be in demanding public office, don't have a little baby that needs you at home. Those first years are so important to a child.
#35 Posted by truthmatters on August 29, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Lassie:
Maybe you failed to realize that Joe Biden's son is headed to Iraq.... does Governor what's her cookie deserve more kudos because she's female?
#36 Posted by pgk1962 on August 29, 2008 at 2 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Did ya notice Obama mugging Mrs. Biden? Great lip lock on national TV. Very Clintoniam, great job Obama. You make us proud.
#37 Posted by DinNaples on August 29, 2008 at 2:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama....143 days as a US Senator
#38 Posted by truth on August 29, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gee Rejoice.......I sure hope you got over that warm tingling up both your legs.....that could be dangerous.......
to answer your question in #75 our health care is paid in part by our income taxes and also by sales tax on most items we buy
no it is not free but it is universally available to all citizens at no cost at time of treatment
#39 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
For a long time it's bothered me. I had heard that tone before, I could actually put a voice to it. And then, after a night at a Holiday Inn Express it came to me......Algonquin999 is -
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#40 Posted by DinNaples on August 29, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
MikeM......re your post #102
I gather you agree with oldtimer's attempt to deceive the readers of this forum?????
why is it that anyone mentioned from Chicago are cast as nefarious if they have the least connection with the Obamas
I read Valerie Jarrett's bio and this lady comes from a very "dedicated to the community" family with her grandfather, mother and father all contributing to Chicago
this lady also has a very impressive resume
but if you must trash her then go ahead....her bio says differently
as for the subject at hand...why is it wrong to direct patients that are clogging up emergency rooms to walk in clinics thereby freeing the room to handle more serious illnesses and accidents......especially when the hopsital requested it!!!!
you too are distorting the facts by throwing up a smokescreen about "political crook" connection
#41 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 3 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Palin took over the intro, she looked strong, spoke clearly, better than McCain. First impression was very good, only time will tell. McCain does like them young and perky.
McCain looked very unconfortable though as Palin took total control, maybe just a little too much. He will need someone like her as a personal nurse in the very near future.
#42 Posted by bossman1 on August 29, 2008 at 3:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Vashark, Obama's father was not Arab. Do you know what an Arab is? That kind of tells us how bright you are to begin with.
So, FYI, Barack's father is African American from Kenya. Many people are Muslim without being Arab. Got that Vashark.
MikeM, I heard some very strong concrete proposals from Obama regarding a number of areas from Domestic to Energy independence to Foreign Policy were given. You probably weren't listening and got your info from Limbaugh.
Also, I am white, and Obama is not my absolution for slavery. He's just a darn smart man with good character and judgment. He has experience outside of Washington along with Washington. Just like we have opinions and know what's going on and what we think should be done without being a day in Washington or any governorship. And, remember, being governor does not inform a person much about running foreign policy. So, Palin doesn't know much about that, and that is a very important part of our government.
Obama showed me he had judgment by his acumen in knowing before our invasion of Iraq that it was the wrong, I emphasize wrong, thing to do.
Also I know his judgment by his going after the terrorists where they are. Changing to the Center of terrorism, not a ridiculous detour. And, he wouldn't dive precipitously into Iran.
We need much more diplomacy and talking to our opponents, or we will find ourselves in full fledged nuclear war, and then no one wins and everyones future is horrific with radiation for us and our posterity, not to mention a nuclear winter that would kill everything. And that's no way to fight global warming.
#43 Posted by truthmatters on August 29, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow! What a surprise: Rejoice, Inquisitive, Gatorhater,(Where's Gonefishin?) SARAH PALIN? I never heard of her. When I saw her, I thought it was Sallie Field the "Flying Nun". Now that would be a pick. McCain needs every "prayer" he can get. I hear she likes to mention Hillary Clinton. What's that all about? Is she some kind of GOP "turncoat"? Is she a woman before a Republican? Scandalous!!!!! What's this "investigation" about with her brother-in-law or somebody and a job? Naw, that's just more BS like Ted Stevens "crucifixion" in the name of "truth and Republicanism".
#44 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 3:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WHAT A CHOICE!!!
Who ever thought McCain had it in him!
A governor (who is RUNNING something), a mother of five, a son who is going to Iraq next month, against abortion (see her last child), educated and knows how to handle herself.
PROPS to you John!!!! At least we now have someone who has "MANAGEMENT" experience!
Braco America and Joe/Personality have to be shaking in their boots!!!
Yes their is a GOD!!!
#45 Posted by knital on August 29, 2008 at 3:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Re #33 Gatorhater: Like Professor Higgins said in "My Fair Lady" "I think she's got it". You seem to have finally seen the necessity of removing the veto threat and eliminating the 60 vote impediment to overturn the action. That will happen with the 2008 election. Walla! You got it through your thick head!
#46 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 3:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
would someone please explain to me...without bias..the make up of the majority in congress...I have heard..51%....I have heard "need 60"....I have heard "presidential veto".......
I would like to know who controls congress now and how and if a veto from the president can over rule the majority
thanks in advance
#47 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 3:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RE: #37 Inquisitive: You've been outstanding today in displaying a fanatical party loyalty above and beyond all reasonable and logical conclusions. It's almost a ludicrous practice of frustration even to address some of the nonsense you have spewed. For the sake of others, I would address your challenges regarding the 3 planks of the Democratic 2006 platform.
1.The war in Iraq could not be concluded due to Bushies adamant stance on continuing the fiasco and having the veto and influence in congress to make that a reality. I have outlined that procedure a number of times. Some people have "comprehension problems".
2 Now this economy thing. Bushie has acted as if he is a "tourist" in the White House while remaining silent and condescending to the practices that have contributed to the malaise and current economic uncertainty. Leadership has been absolutely absent the last 8 years except for situations that directly benefited elitist GOP programs.
3. Gas prices. How do you reduce them? A veto proof congress has no power when it comes to stimulating competition and discriminating against cartels and monopolies. That is the explanation Republicans fail to acknowledge. However, Iraq has a $70 billion dollar oil surplus to show for it. Bushie, and I guess, Inquisitive, "trickle down economics". Amen until November.
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#48 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 3:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Obamanation...It's time for a change, NOT the McSame!!
#49 Posted by wolfpawz4 on August 29, 2008 at 3:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Re: #42 Rejoice, I'm not sure whether is is 24/7 PMS or a mid life crisis with frequent hot flashes, but your description about the "great economy" produced by the Bushie administration is outlandish. For starters.
1. The stockmarket, which is inherently wise, foresaw the possibility of a Bush/GOP triumph in 2000. It began its correction and that was confirmed with the beginning of a recession in March of 2001. this according to Alan Greenspan himself, a GOP economic guru. The probable cause - the distribution of the Clinton surplus amongst the populace with the majority refunds going to the highest tax payers.(GOP) That's only right! right? This dibbing up kept the Bushies distracted and vulnerable resulting in 9/11.
2.Now a real "kicker". That great Republican proclamation of "less government" "more leverage for the private sector to earn and spend their own money" happened to create a climate for a real estate "bust" with unbridled mortgage and lending practices that have pushed the banking system to the edge of chaos ala the last big time GOP fiasco - the 1929 crash! There is nothing like deregulation for a Republican entrepreneur to "prosper".
3. Are you better off today than you were when Bush took office? Do you feel safer? Is our country today what it was in terms of prestige and influence in the world community of nations as in the past?
Rejoice you may be, but if so, I venture you don't know how many houses you own either.
#50 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
NaplesCracker, my remark about Palin having a baby when she's active in politics and accepting the V.P: We all have choices, and I think her responsible choice should have been to decide if she wanted to have another baby and take care of it like it needs or pursue her own goals.
I'm not being sexist; I being realistic. If you want to have a child, then at least give it some nurturing until it's a few years old.
My gripe against her isn't that she had a baby, or even that she likes politics and power; my gripe is she's a pretty selfish person to make a choice to be a mother and then not be one because the path you pursued was too demanding to allow you the time. And I'm not talking about an ordinary job that is 8 hours a day with week ends off.
I don't totally absolve men from this either. However, let's not blind ourselves to nature so much that we don't recognize the needs a baby has for its mother.
We can make those first few years for a child what they should be if we choose to have a child.
I'm surprised all you conservatives aren't saying something. You've always felt that way yourselves.
#51 Posted by truthmatters on August 29, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
perditionman.....thank you for your post...quite simple when explained
#52 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey What's this I hear that the GOP may postpone their convention because of Hurricane Gustav?
Is Gustav going to hit the twin cities of St. Paul and Minneapolis and Bush and McCain?
Get Brownie back to do "a great job" and prevent all the resulting cancelations.
Don't worry. I doubt the men's bathroom at the Minneapolis airport will survive. GOP delegates won't be deprived!
#53 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 4:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Inquisitive, how nice of you to call me a genius regarding Russia. I am right about it, you know, and the Russians are now saying they recognize that this was some kind of a set up. As far as I was concerned, it was so fishy it stunk from day one. One had to see this was plotted ahead of time.
The question is: What are those Neo Cons up to? They planned this Georgian invasion on South Ossetia, and they knew what Russia's response would be, so what was, is, up their sleeve?
Who knows with those shysters.
Oh, and BTW Inquisitive: Look up the meaning of the word "whining." I haven't heard anything here that fits its description. I think you'd better find another word that fits.
#54 Posted by truthmatters on August 29, 2008 at 4:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It takes a 2/3rds vote to override a veto. But libs probably don't know that much about the rules.
#55 Posted by DinNaples on August 29, 2008 at 4:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Better stop Obama, he's gonna send a Billion Bucks to Georgia. Biden told him to. That's why they'll never be elected.
#56 Posted by DinNaples on August 29, 2008 at 4:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
At first, I was thrilled with John McCain's pick for veep. I felt he had made an enlightened choice in selecting a fairly young and attractive woman, and one with a young family, too.
However, having done a little reading, I have to admit to having reservations about a mother who would name her children Track, Bristol, Willow, Piper and Trig. Also, her youngest child was only born in April - the Dems will have a field day with that.
Barack Obama as president is a scary prospect, with or without Joe Biden. The religious fervor is also scary, and definitely reminiscent of the impact Hitler had on the weary Germans who were desperate for change in the 1930's.
John McCain is the lesser of two evils in my book. Furthermore, it remains to be seen whether choosing a "woman of faith" who is anti-womens' right to choose will have the desired effect.
#57 Posted by BigG on August 29, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
WOW MikeM........I guess if you said it I really have to believe it...............but then again call me naive but I have looked and find nothing about Jarrett that even resembles what you post and as you cite no sites for your claim it is hard to substantiate them
I gather you consider all political people in Chicago to be corrupt???
as for your claim that Obama never did pro bono work while a civil right attorney the following is from boston.com:
" As the first black president of the Harvard Law Review, Obama had his pick of top law firms. He chose Miner's Chicago civil rights firm, where he represented community organizers, discrimination victims and black voters trying to force a redrawing of city ward boundaries.
Like many lawyers, Obama never took part in a trial. He spent most of his nine-year career working as part of a team, drawing up contracts, briefs and other legal papers.
The firm of Miner Barnhill & Galland, many of whose members have Harvard and Yale law degrees, has a reputation that fits nicely into the resume of a future presidential candidate.
"It's a real do-good firm," says Fay Clayton, lead counsel for the National Organization for Women in a landmark lawsuit aimed at stopping abortion clinic violence. "Barack and that firm were a perfect fit. He wasn't going to make as much money there as he would at a LaSalle Street firm or in New York, but money was never Barack's first priority anyway."
as this was your first falsehood I went no further.........but I see Algonquin999 addressed the rest of your post!!!
#58 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Algonquin999.......I just finished saying how simple I thought the congress vote was and then you post #142 ....I am still trying to wrap my head around it
#59 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 5:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If Washington wasn't so partisan in their struggle for power then a 51% majority would be great. For current Democrats non-partison means Republicans must come to their point of view. Never gonna happen. Dems gotta give too!
#60 Posted by DinNaples on August 29, 2008 at 5:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Re #135 Inquisitive Talk about the pot calling the kettle black! All day you have been "basking" in baseless diatribes trying to cloud the frustration of a failed leader and administration. The GOP candidates are flawed by their association with failure that has been so pronounced that even school kids recognize it.
Keep screaming. The hard core won't ever let you down and there well always be Rush Limbaugh and Sean Hannity to console you. Rats have survived for centuries.
#61 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Idjuts!
#62 Posted by GoneFishin on August 29, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Seriously, who uses all caps and thinks they are anything but an idjut?!!
Tag is back!
#63 Posted by GoneFishin on August 29, 2008 at 7:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Re #163 Rejoice: Unbelievable and audacious! It is beyond belief that a wild Republican fanatic would advocate having Halliburton and its subsidiaries awarded contracts given to Canadian companies by the "flying nun". It's so sweet to see the utter confirmation of the corrupt Bush administration's policy by its adherents. Kudos to your revealing STUPIDITY! You need to find a bigger rock to crawl under!
#64 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 7:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Poor Inquisitive: It must be awful to see the McCain "Titanic" hit an "iceberg" off Alaska with his Veep choice! I can't believe that a moron would pick a gal who was the mayor of a town of 7,000 to deal with Putin, Iran and North Korea after Viagara John has palpatations of the heart from his travels between households. She can always call Dan Quail for advice. Dick Cheney may forgive her for not giving Halliburton those jobs Rejoice objects to, that Canada got. That's an "option". Where are the swiftboat guys to bail out Johnny and help the "flying nun" get elected?
#65 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 7:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Re #168 Rejoice: I hope that is not a proposition! How vulgar and detestable. As a prime enemy of society, you deserve a much higher collaborator in the Republican food chain.
You will have ample opportunity to reap the rewards of futility in the near future. Johnny "sealed the deal" with his disastrous Veep choice. Watch FOX Noise for consolation!!
#66 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 7:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Politics turns sane people into maniacs.
#67 Posted by rationalman on August 29, 2008 at 8:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice...........you have already proven to be a racist on colour and now you prove yourself a racist against French Canadians
you right wing nuts are really running out of friends in the world you should not insult the closest friend left
for your information French and English are both official languages in Canada and spoken in every Province but then you really don't know much more than what you get from your right wing media
if you were not such an ignoramus you would have investigated the transaction before you spoke:
"In March 2007, Palin presented the Alaska Gasline Inducement Act (AGIA) as the new legal vehicle for building a natural gas pipeline from the state's North Slope.[29] This negated a deal by the previous governor to grant the contract to a coalition including BP (her husband's former employer). Only one legislator, Representative Ralph Samuels, voted against the measure,[30] and in June Palin signed it into law.[31][32] On January 5, 2008, Palin announced that a Canadian company, TransCanada Corp., was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant.[33][34] In August 2008, Palin signed a bill into law giving the state of Alaska authority to award TransCanada Pipelines a license to build and operate the $26-billion-dollar pipeline to ship natural gas from the North Slope to the Lower 48, through Canada"
Wikipedia bio on Sarah Palin
you are so wrong on two points...Trans Canada Pipeline (TCP) will BUILD and OPERATE the pipeline
and it is a $26 billion contract...not $40 billion
TCP was the sole AGIA-compliant applicant
so I guess your friends at Haliburton lost an opportunity to charge for $500 hammers and $200 toilet seats
so you better find that tingling up both your legs as it is the only thing you have going for you now that you have been "outed" as a racist
#68 Posted by Canuck on August 29, 2008 at 8:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, Inquisitive repeatedly says one word, "whining," over and over, and he still doesn't know it's definition. What it sounds like to me is he's the biggest whiner on the blogs. Whine baby whine.
I wonder if the Right has any original thoughts for their campaign. Now their slogan is "Change." Seems I heard that somewhere before. Oh, yeah, Obama's slogan. Change. They have to steal from Obama for the Right's slogan.
Now, they pick a woman, and not just any woman, but a right wing woman who's only political career is Governor of Alaska, a state smaller than Debbie Wasserman's district in Florida.
When she was asked about Iraq, she said she hadn't given it much thought. Now who in this country hasn't given Iraq much thought? You have to look in a cave for that. And this woman could become president. My God, who vetted her? The Right Wing had lots of others, like Kay Baily Hutchison from Texas.
Man, McCain is dumb, really dumb. And for once I'm really glad about that because Obama is for sure now going to be president.
BTW, Palin's little 4 month old child has Downs Syndrome. Oh well, Palin's got other things to do. Someone else can take care of the kid.
#69 Posted by truthmatters on August 29, 2008 at 9:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Truthmatters: Please be "generous to Mrs. Palin. She is on a "mission". Her Downs syndrome child will understand as will those who take care of the child during the "crusade". Perhaps the GOP will provide those same "services" for all unfortunate parents "blessed" with a child with a malady as Mrs. Palin's baby. The Reverend Dobson can explain God's plan in this matter and situation. Surely you must familiar with the Reverend Dobson and may even used some of his "snake oil".
#70 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 29, 2008 at 9:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A helicopter circled a flooded New Orleans with Cheney, Bush, and Libowitz aboard. The Air National Guard pilot had recently returned from his third tour in Iraq.
Looking down at the survivors on their roof's, Lieberman said "if I threw 100 brand new $100 dollar bills out to them, they would love me."
Cheney quipped "if I threw 10,000 crisp $100 bills out of the chopper, 10,000 citizens would think I'm great!!!!
Bush responded "if I throw a million $1 dollar bills out of here, I'd earn the love of one million citizens."
The pilot turns to his co-pilot and said "let's throw these three aholes out, keep the million, and ALL of America will love us forever."
#71 Posted by boulderbilly on August 29, 2008 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Inquisitive: Are you a Downes syndrome child? How about you MikeM? Some of your posts do indicate some "connective" deformities. Your "progress" is commendable given the association and intellectual complexities being a conservative Republican.
#72 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 30, 2008 at 10:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I was afraid McSame was going to pick Romney..
If he wanted a woman Condi Rice would have been a better choice for him, at least she has experience.
YEAH!!!
OBAMA/BIDEN '08
#73 Posted by pippin on August 30, 2008 at 5:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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