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Fewer Collier high school students take SAT but score better


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Fewer Collier County high school students are taking the SAT to apply to colleges, but the students are still outpacing their peers statewide.

Collier’s SAT verbal, math and writing mean scores for students taking the test in 2007-08 were 503, 511 and 488, respectively. The scores are higher than the state average of 496 verbal, 497 math and 481 writing.

The numbers are also an improvement over the scores of the students taking the SAT in 2006-07. Collier students taking the test during 2007-08 saw their average scores jump by nine points in verbal, six points in writing and 12 points in math.

“It is a common phenomenon that when participation rates go down, mean scores go up,” said Chief Instructional Officer Martha Hayes in a memorandum to Superintendent Dennis Thompson.

A perfect score under the SAT is 2,400. The test has three sections — writing, critical reading and math — and each section is worth 800 points. The SAT is a test designed to measure aptitude for success in college freshmen courses.

When broken down by race, 29 fewer white students in Collier County and 31 fewer black students took the SAT. More Hispanic students in Collier County took the SAT in 2007-08. More than 260 Hispanic students took the exam, an increase of 33 over the 213 students that took the test the previous year.

White and black students improved in all areas of the test, while Hispanic students improved in the verbal and math sections of the test. Black students saw the largest jump in mean scores. Verbal mean scores for black students went up 32 points to 450, while writing mean scores increased 15 points to 425. Math mean scores increased 21 points to 433.

Hispanic students saw a 3 point increase in the verbal mean, to 473, while the math mean increased to 469, a gain of one point. Hispanic students lost five points on the writing portion of the test, bringing the mean to 457 for the 2007-08 test.

White students increased their verbal score by 11, to 516, while the writing score increased to 503, a gain of nine points. The math mean for white students increased by 16 points, to 531.

The scores also show that the higher the level of parental education, the higher the student SAT scores. Students who had parents with a graduate degree scored a mean combined score of 1,569, compared with the combined score of 1,457 of students whose parents have an associate’s degree or lower. Students whose parents have a bachelor’s degree earned a combined mean of 1,527.

In Collier, 1,291 students took the SAT in 2007-08, which is a participation rate of 49 percent. The number is lower than the 1,316 students who took the test in 2006-07, which represented a participation rate of 51 percent.

All of the high schools in Collier County saw their scores improve with the exception of two. Palmetto Ridge High School saw its verbal mean score drop 12 points to 478; its writing mean score drop 14 points to 456; and its math mean score drop 15 points to 476.

Immokalee High School saw its verbal mean score drop 19 points from 2006-07 to 460. However, the school did improve its writing score by 1 point, to a mean of 465, and its math score by 3 points, to 459.

Palmetto Ridge also saw an increase in the number of students taking the SAT. Two hundred students took the test in 2007-08, compared with 180 students in 2006-07. But even though there were more students taking the test in 2007-08, Palmetto Ridge High School’s participation rate dropped by 5 percent, to 50 percent.

Gulf Coast High School increased its participation from 70 percent in 2006-07 to 71 percent in 2007-08. The school saw 11 more students take the SAT exam in 2007-08. Immokalee High also saw its SAT participation rate increase, going from 21 students, or 8 percent, in 2006-07, to 22 students, or 9 percent, in 2007-08.

Naples High School saw the largest improvement of all the high schools offering the SAT. Students at Naples improved their verbal and writing scores by 24 points, to 528 and 522, respectively. Naples High math mean scores went up 33 points, to 543, in 2007-08.

The same number of students at Naples High — 205 — took the test in 2006-07 and in 2007-08.

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I can not understand how Immokalee High does so terrible in the test scoring? We have our best teachers out there teaching. We are even giving them an extra two thousand just to travel there, on top of their salary. What more do the taxpayers need to do? I guess we can blame Thompson again?

#1 Posted by upnorth on August 28, 2008 at 9:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)

upnorth: Many years ago I taught at IHS. Their scores are not difficult to understand in light of the circumstances of many of the students. Our administrators at the time would stop the buses going to the fields to pull our students off. Many slept through classes after working in the packing houses all night. Many, although they understood and spoke English, did not have the high level vocabulary neccesary to do well on the reading and vocab sections. Even our average native born kids take 17 or 18 years to develop the language skills needed to do well on SATS. Many lived in poverty, two or three families to a one bedroom house. Many come from families where the adults are barely functionally literate if that. Our schools must keep trying, and I know for a fact that there are truly dedicated teachers there, but some things are almost impossible for average people to overcome. There are students who have overcome all of the above and more and who have acheived great success, however it takes a kind of drive that many do not have.

#2 Posted by mags156 on August 28, 2008 at 11:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)

mag156...there's Garguilo's in North Naples off of Old 41, which has the same poverty level of working immigrants in Immokalee, and they at least offer two trailors for children to learn in with teachers after school every day.

Meanwhile, the casino in Immokalee does nothing to help children's education.

NOTHING...as women give up their children for beer in convenience stores...and children are barely graduating high school.

But there's new shoes for the football team.

BIG WHOOP D DOO!

COMPANIES CAN DO MORE TO HELP THE SITUATION, 2.

#3 Posted by beetlejuice on August 28, 2008 at 11:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)

Our Florida kids may never be the smartest, but they are all great kids!!

#4 Posted by R_Popoff on August 29, 2008 at 4:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Thanks GatorHator07. That is the biggest laugh I have had in a long time! That is funny stuff!

#5 Posted by flfish on August 29, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)

We'd better start offering Chinese as a required course. I'm sure our kids ALREADY know how to say "Do you want fries with that?" in Spanish.

#6 Posted by GoodSense on August 29, 2008 at 5:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)

UpNorth - the travel incentive is just over $700 for Immokalee teachers. The best teachers at IHS, hummm, with 42 teachers new to the building last year? Many of them had never taught before. If you want to complain about money, try the 20% supplement for the extra hour each day. 20% of $38,000 is $7,600.

#7 Posted by GoIndians on August 30, 2008 at 8:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)

Poverty has absolutely NOTHING to do with an getting an education. I have heard to old saying "I'M SO POOR THAT I CAN'T PAY ATTENTION" but seriously! Why take it literally?

The fact of the matter is, you can get an education if you PAY ATTENTION and have some sort of goals. Ask General Collin Powell, who was a product of the Harlem ghetto! Ask numerous people who strived to get out of poverty by taking advantage of a free education.

Some kids today are just lazy. There generations of people out there, "young & old" that want everything handed to them and feel that society "owes" them!

#8 Posted by theoryofdisaster on September 2, 2008 at 9:27 a.m. (Suggest removal)



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