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NAPLES A pack of pit bulls attacked a Golden Gate woman and her three Chihuahuas on Friday afternoon, killing one of the dogs and sending her to the hospital.
Around 4:30 p.m., Sharry Brewer, 59, was walking her three Chihuahuas, Brutus, Layla and Tea, near her home on 4497 20th Place S.W. when she said a neighbor’s three pit bulls got loose and attacked her and her dogs. The Collier County Sheriff’s Office confirmed the attack.
The names of the pit bulls’ owners were not immediately available Friday.
"All three of the dogs saw my dogs, came running through the side yard and started attacking my Chihuahuas," Brewer said. "I tried to get my three puppies to me. I picked up my little girl and I held her up to me, and I picked up my second little girl and held her up to me."
The pit bulls' owners and other neighbors helped get the dogs off Brewer, she said, but one of the dogs, Brutus, was badly injured in the attack.
"They were tearing my little Brutus apart in front of my own eyes," she said. "Brutus was killed. He died in my arms on the way to the vet."
Layla and Tea survived the attack, but the pit bulls just missed an artery in Tea’s neck, said Brewer’s boyfriend, Mark Papas, 46.
"She’s home now, but her whole neck is bandaged up," he said of Tea.
After taking the dogs to the vet, Brewer’s daughter drove her to the emergency room to get checked out.
One of the pit bulls bit Brewer’s chest, and she can still see the teeth marks, she said. Her legs were cut because they got tangled in her dogs’ leashes. Papas said he was concerned the pit bulls may have rabies.
"She was all covered in blood," Papas said.
The Sheriff’s Office turned the case over to Collier County Domestic Animal Services. Attempts to reach DAS on Friday night were unsuccessful.
Papas said an animal services officer told him she would be in contact Saturday, but he is concerned the owners of the pit bulls will move the dogs before then.
This is not the first time the pit bulls attacked one of Brewer’s and Papa’s dogs, they said.
"A month ago, I am out with my dog Tea and the pit bull got loose and got into a scruff with my dog," Papas said. "I went over nicely to talk to the people and let them know I’m not going to do anything this time because nothing major happened. ... I told them if they’re not careful and those dogs get out and seriously hurt somebody, they’re looking at a major lawsuit."

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Let the lawsuits begin, and, then, euthenization. This is the most reckless breed owned by owners who are the most in denial. If they roam on my property they're dead, end of story!
#1 Posted by almasonlybar on August 29, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
you might be a redneck if
you own 3 or 4 pit bulls
#2 Posted by hunting46555 on August 29, 2008 at 8:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rednecks in golden gate city? impossible! i'm shocked at that comment..........
#3 Posted by genlee on August 29, 2008 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here we go again!
The Sheriff's Dept. turned it over to Domestic Animal Services.
Thanks for nothing, Messrs Hunter/Rambosk!
Animal Control, like the Sheriff's Dept. will do not a thing; they will knock on doors which will not be answered, attorneys will attempt to serve the owners who will not answer the door, hence the victims will not be made even financially whole.
The morons will commence with their "it's not the pit bulls it's their irresponsible owners"
crap.
Guess what? All pit bull owners are irresponsible!
First put the dogs to sleep, then the owners!
#4 Posted by greathornedlizard on August 29, 2008 at 9:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
greatnorthern lizard, U R totally correct! DAS is unaccountable to citizens in Naples and the Estates. It is obvious from their total lack of response to the questions raised here, they will DO NOTHING ABOUT THIS SITUATION.
WHEN WILL DAS WAKE UP? PEOPLE ARE HURT BY DOGS HERE, AND DAS will not do a thing...neither will the CCSO.
How many more people will suffer animal attacks?
If this was in Miami, the dogs would be found, the owners fined, and people would be accountable as owners.
Welcome to Collier County, where pets attack, AND DAS doesn't give a darn!
#5 Posted by beetlejuice on August 29, 2008 at 9:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This is a police matter in most states. The owner is always held responsible if their dog injures another pet or the pet owner. The dogs should be put to sleep, the owners arrested, and then sued. What I don't understand is if this person knew those dogs were dangerious, why, oh why didn't she carry a weapon of sorts. A baseball bat would at least do some harm to those pit bulls. I on the other hand carry my 9mm with me when I walk my two pups.
#6 Posted by cit10driver on August 29, 2008 at 9:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
um I thought rednecks mostly owned hounddogs? Oh I'm confused I guess.
Maybe these dogs should be treated like guns. If you have any felony record you should not be allowed to own a pit or any form of guard dog. That would cut 99% of the bad owners out of having these dogs.
#7 Posted by camelopardalis on August 29, 2008 at 9:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Any dog that attacks a nasty chihuahua is ok in my book. RAT dog!!
#8 Posted by swampbuggy on August 29, 2008 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Pit bulls should be banned. They are a dangerous breed and most owners cannot control one when it goes on a rampage.
#9 Posted by Sanity on August 29, 2008 at 9:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
swampbuggy,
You are an idiot. A Chihuahua is nothing compared to a pitbull which can kill a human.
#10 Posted by Sanity on August 29, 2008 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Swampbuggy, I am surprised at you. The pit bulls not only attacked the 3 small dogs walking (leashed) with their owner but the owner too. Is it ok to attack a human being? What if a small child had been present? Ok, then too? The operant word is attack and kill. What is going on with your logic?
Really sad. DAS needs to be held accountable. If I were this woman, I would call CCSO downtown or at District 2 headquarters and speak to the Lt. In charge. I would also call the County managers office and speak with Mr. Mudd or the assistant county manager...NOT a secretary. Or I would email Mudd and ask for full accountability and Cc the media. DAS has weekend and on call people for after hours. I human being was bitten and a small animal was killed as it was being lawfully walked.. The woman must also report the bites to the health authorities as the dogs must be quarantined to assure they do not have rabies. If no evidence of rabies vaccination, she may have anti-rabies vaccine recommended to her.
#11 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 29, 2008 at 9:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Swampbuggy is gonna git some new neighbors soon. They'll own three pit bulls, and a really rotten rotty with mange, and a crazed half wolf wannabe half breed whacked dog to attack him as he walks out to his car in the morning 4 work.
Then he'll wonder if the lil chalupa rat dog is a problem.
DAS is the problem if U ask me.
They allow this activity to occur everyday in Collier County, leave a lil note on the owner's front door, and then walk away. PATHETIC, I SAY!
They don't care and it shows!
#12 Posted by beetlejuice on August 29, 2008 at 9:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
First off Pit Bulls aren't nasty dogs. One of my dogs from rescue is 1/2 pit and she is the sweetest dog. I have also been around many full blooded pits and they are friendly and not one bit nasty. When will people realize it is not the dog it is the way they are raised. I'm so sick of hearing negative comments about pit bulls. Any kind of dog can be aggressive, including chihuahua's. Anyone remember the Michael Vick case from last year, watch Animal Witness the Michael Vick case on channel 64 (animal planet channel) hopefully that show will change many people's minds about pit bulls. It is all in the way they are raised. And to the owner of the dogs that were attacked, I am sorry you lost one of your dogs. It is very hard to loose a pet, but the owners are to blame. They should have kept the dogs in the yard, or house, they apparently are very dog aggressive but they are not the ones to blame.
#13 Posted by citygirl on August 29, 2008 at 10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
All kinds of criminals like pit bulls not just rednecks and pit bulls are not the only dangerous dogs on the street either. It's illegal to let your dogs run loose but enforcement is virtually non-existent in a sparsely regulated county like Collier. Using a pistol against a dog in an urban area would be very irresponsible.
#14 Posted by doodlebug on August 29, 2008 at 10:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hmm,
citigirl, did I get that right?
The owner of the little dogs don't have a right to walk their dogs, because there are bigger dogs out there loose?
Also, there are particular dog breeds that have more of a trait towards aggressive behavior. Having jaws that lock, doesn't help the dogs reputation either.
The bottom line is ... carry a gun and shoot the h*ll out of it, if need be. Then, light up the grill / clean and salt to taste.
#15 Posted by news_hound1 on August 29, 2008 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Put down all pitbulls, or ship them to a war zone.
They're attack dogs bred for dogfight pits. There is no room for them in an urban setting.
I have to carry a cane tipped with a spike to protect my loved ones when we are out walking. Not a way to live...
#16 Posted by Naplestango on August 29, 2008 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#16, Yes they were a part of a dog fighting ring in Va. and when they were rescued the majority of them were able to be adopted out and have no animal or people aggression. They are in good homes and they have become wonderful pets to many families. Many other breeds of dogs attack, the unfortunate thing is we only seem to hear about pit bills. It was doby's and rotty's and even german shepards, in a few years I'm sure it will be another breed that will get a terrible name.
#17 Posted by citygirl on August 29, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
First of all I would liek to say that anyone that says ALL pitbulls need to be outlawed is IGNORANT. I would like to give an open invitation to anyone to come and meet my two. They wouldn't hurt a fly and are the most loving and caring dogs there are. With that said it doesn't excuse the fact that what happened is a terrible act and the OWNERS should be jailed and those particular dogs should be euthanised. ANY BREED OF DOG IS DANGEROUS IF IT IS ALLOWED TO BE.
Please if there are any pitbull owners reading this please make sure you are treating your dogs properly. It is because of idiot owners and badly raised pits that make people look at me funny when I am walking my dogs. And causes ignorant people to get upset at all.
#18 Posted by cjs2000 on August 29, 2008 at 10:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cjs,
Are your dogs good with small dogs, cats, etc. that they would meet when you are walking them?
How about without a leash?
Because, that's what's on the table here.
Big dogs are good, great and I like them better than smaller breeds, but you have to see it from the other side too.
#19 Posted by news_hound1 on August 29, 2008 at 10:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I love pitbulls. They are one of the best dogs to have. People do research on pit bulls and stop bad mouthing them
#20 Posted by jerseychic on August 29, 2008 at 11:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ITS ALL IN HOW YOU RAISE THEM!!!!!!! Any dog can bite you!!!!!! watch Happy Tails the show from DAS even the girl on there says pit bulls get a bad rap!!!!!
#21 Posted by swamp19800 on August 29, 2008 at 11:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#18, Of course the owner had a right to walk her dogs, Im just saying that it isnt the dogs fault , it is in the way that they are raised, and that goes for any breed of dog. The blame should be on the owner of the dogs. Im sure many people who have pit bulls want them to be mean and aggressive for whatever sick reason. Actually they are a very friendly , loyal , loving animal. My small dog (a Bassett) plays so rough and bites my pit and she does nothing to him, she could bite him back but trys to get away instead. She could hurt him but that is not her way, again it is the way they are raised.
#22 Posted by citygirl on August 29, 2008 at 11:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
IT IS A CRIME TO OWN PITBULL if U live in MIAMI.
THEY ARE HORRIBLE DOGS. THEY WILL HAVE NO PROBLEM RIPPING A KID, or ANOTHER DOG APART.
PITBULLS SHOULD BE BANNED in Collier County.
OR owners SHOULD BE CHARGED A HUGE FEE TO OWN THEM.
Create some revenue to solve this problem during budget cuts.
Pitbull owners should pay at least $300 a year to the County for owning these animals.
Unregistered pit bull owners should be fined twice the amount of the original permit cost.
Easy way to collect some money for DAS.
#23 Posted by beetlejuice on August 29, 2008 at 11:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
For all of you who defend pit bulls here. Would you let your small child play in front of your house knowing that your neighbor has pit bulls?
Are you that irresponsible that you would risk an attack from a breed known to be vicious
This breed needs to be banned from Collier County. Sorry to those who think they are "sweeties"
I'm not willing to take a chance losing a child or small pet to these muscles with teeth.
#24 Posted by Sanity on August 29, 2008 at 11:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Everyone bad mouthing pit bulls, total ignorance. I'm sure if you saw my PRESA CANARIO you would think pit bulls looked like a chihuahua. And yes he is stronger than a pit and a great dog!!
#25 Posted by jerseychic on August 29, 2008 at 11:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sorry folks, but I have two 70-90 lbs dogs. A golden and a dalmation. Twice I have had 2 incidents which invloved animal control, one with each dog.
On both occasions the smaller dog has came up and bit my dog. At that point holding it on a leash was no longer an option.
The good news,they both listen. At the end of the day everyone went home.
The bad news, retrievers are friendly, stupid and loving, but they have teeth and are strong.
Don't get it p*ssed off.
Chihuahuas are nasty little dogs, don't tell me they aren't a part of the problem.
#26 Posted by swampbuggy on August 29, 2008 at 11:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
swampbuggy and jerseychic,
Total ignorance? Why are they illegal in some counties then? They should be banned in Collier County.
#27 Posted by Sanity on August 29, 2008 at 11:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Lets ban chihuahuas since they always attack peoples feet and ankles for no reason. As cute as they maybe they can be nasty. At least when people walk in my house I dont have to worry about my dogs biting their toes or ankles for no reason.
#28 Posted by jerseychic on August 29, 2008 at 11:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I think they are waiting for more innocent people to be attacked...maybe there is a quota.
How many people or pets should be attacked BEFORE SOMETHING IS DONE IN COLLIER?
Pit bulls are vicious dogs. Pits attacked my freakin car! They've lunged at me from open windows in cars in parking lots here. Two pits went after me as I was walking down the street in Alva. TWO PITBULLS...I felt like the dog whisperer....as I peed my pants and walked slowly away backwards..."saying good doggies" as I returned to my car.
If U turn and run from a pit bull, U R a TARGET for the beast.
Beetle and pitbulls don't mix.
#29 Posted by beetlejuice on August 29, 2008 at 11:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yes, A presa Canario is much stronger than a pit, and I understand need alot of training. At least you have a good home security system, Jerseychic.
#30 Posted by Italia on August 29, 2008 at 11:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
what's a presa canario?
#31 Posted by beetlejuice on August 30, 2008 at midnight (Suggest removal)
I have raised this breed for over twenty years its not the dog its the way the owners raise them you con make any dog mean. my son was attacked by a cocker spanial that was tied up at a door all day and had to have stiches and i was bit by a chuhahua my self and i find their temperments to be very aggressive i guess in this case mabie not but most times i have found them to be high strung and real biters I can honestly say mine in twenty years have never hurt a person or another animal in fact i have cats that they just adore all 3 of the!!!! Get the picture
#32 Posted by BamBam01 on August 30, 2008 at 12:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
They're illegal in some places because those places have as many ignorant people as it takes to get the law changed.
Golden Retriever Bites Young Child!......Dalmation Attacks Neighbor's Cat!.......Labrador Attacks on the Rise!....German Shepard kills Neighbors Dog!
None of those sell advertising like...Vicious Pit-Bulls Attack Woman and her Three dogs!
Your manipulation is complete.
#33 Posted by myrealname on August 30, 2008 at 12:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey,
The point is, dogs/animals of any size, that have the potential of attacking other animals in public, should not have that opportunity.
And it should be the owners responsibility to make sure of that.
If your animal is safe, it's safe, just better be sure of it.
When kids and pets get hurt, it's time to take action.
In that case, if you see that 'sweet rot' try to get your child or pet, and it's out of line ... take care of it.
If it's a small animal, then just kick the h*ll out of it, and the owner too.
#34 Posted by news_hound1 on August 30, 2008 at 12:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
A presa canario is much bigger and stronger than a pit origin is the Cayman Islands. They require alot of training and are excellent guard dogs.He was given to me as a pup and took training classes almost immediately although he isnt full blooded, which is unusual we believe he is mixed w/ shepard but not sure.Usually you can only get them from breeders and they are 100% presa. There are some web sites w/ pictures they are big, powerful and very intelligent animals and loyal.
#35 Posted by jerseychic on August 30, 2008 at 12:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
the dog should had been quarintined unless there was proof that the animal had its rabies shots.....
#36 Posted by dupreemargaret on August 30, 2008 at 12:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
So I guess my question is why should i give up my dogs because some people cant raise their animals correctly as well as those of you who make comments that all pits are bad you should look up thr origens of the dog i bet you didnt know that the real name is an american staffordshire terrior and that when the were brought to this country they were called the nurse maid dog because the were left to to protect the babies in the cribs when the moms where in the gardens so i really dont like to think a few irresponsiable people and people who are poorly informed can cause me from owning my dogs they are part of my family as much as your animals are!!!
#37 Posted by BamBam01 on August 30, 2008 at 12:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Presa Canario is from the Canary Islands not the Caymans!
#38 Posted by sommerheat on August 30, 2008 at 12:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You know those Bull Dogs were fortunate they too did not die. Chihuahuas can get stuck in their throat and choke them to death.
#39 Posted by buster1 on August 30, 2008 at 12:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
No one with the bigger dogs have replied;
How would your dogs react, off leash, to a smaller dog, cat, squirrel, bird, etc?
If your answer is, I'm not sure, then keep it inside, or fully secured.
Otherwise, anything goes. You dog walkers, take control of this.
#40 Posted by news_hound1 on August 30, 2008 at 12:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#1 and # 17 ........ Right on.
#41 Posted by Nplschick on August 30, 2008 at 3:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
why are people allowed to own these monsters? nothing good comes out of this and i think the owners want an agressive animal because it makes them feel tough, a substitute for a you-know-what! ban these animals!
#42 Posted by nealr on August 30, 2008 at 7:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Comparing Cocker Spaniel and Chihauha bites to the attack of a pit bull is absurd.
I'm sure the pit bull defenders think it's always the victims fault.
#43 Posted by greathornedlizard on August 30, 2008 at 7:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Why don't they set a few pitbulls loose in Estero to take care of the coyote situation?
#44 Posted by lablover on August 30, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
DAS is a joke, we had 3 dogs, a pit, a rottie and another smaller dog roaming our neighborhood we couldn't go outside for fear of getting attacked.
I called DAS for a whole week, sometimes twice a day and asked them when they were going to come and pick up these dogs. I even went to their office one morning and complained and the answer was always the same, they had other calls, they were short staffed and they would get to it as soon as possible.
I never saw them come out. I see the pit every once in a while and I dont know what happened to the other 2 dogs.
I also agree that pits should be banned.
#45 Posted by sock_puppet on August 30, 2008 at 8:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If you have to constantly defend the breed of dog you own, as not being an attack dog type, or a viscious attacker of other dogs, children and adults. YOU ARE OWNING THE WRONG DOG!!
#46 Posted by rayroman on August 30, 2008 at 8:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#54 rayroman, VERY WELL SAID.....
#47 Posted by sock_puppet on August 30, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I personally know the victim of this attack and she is a responsible animal lover. I hope she is ok and her other dogs heal from their wounds. As for post #45 Lavendalou you have got to have some type of mental issues to write what you did. Or if you think you were trying to be funny, your not.
#48 Posted by CaptKidd on August 30, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WoW is really all I have to say towards every ignorant response. I find it ammusing when people put full responsibility on a breed, species, race etc. COME ON PEOPLE. If a child goes into a school and shoots someone, whats the first thing rational people say? "Where were the PARENTS, why didn't they raise them properly?"
How is raising a pet any different? Children need guidance as well as pets. If you dont teach children right from wrong, you will have some problems later on in life. If you dont train your dog to behave properly you will have problems later on in life. Children and puppies are blank slates and it is the PARENT/OWNER that molds the child or pet into what it has become. Pavlovs classical conditioning anyone?
As far as pets being banned I feel that banned animals should only include non domesticated animals ie. exotic animals, endangered etc.
Yes they are banned in Miami, not because of the dog itself but because of the so called BS sport of dog fighting. And because of the banning of the particular breed, guess WHAT everyone, dog fighting isn't gone they just use a DIFFERENT breed. Now I understand teacup yorkies wont be used for dog fighting however any midsize dog and up would and could be used. For instance now the main breed of choice is the Bull Terrier in S florida. Remember Spud Mckenzie? (Even though she was female, only bully fans would know) or the now popular target dog. They are not a vicious breed, but they are BEING bred to fight now. Dogs have been domesticated for over 2 thousand years. They arent BORN killers they are BRED to be that way.
Yea sure if a Pitbull (amstaff) sees a rabbit it will chase it, but you know what, so will a chiwahwah(sp?),domesticated cat, I should know I have both (pit,cat, golden ret., toy poodle and a shelti) and my cat is the only one that comes back with mice, birds, rabbits, squirrels. Oh and mind you he is declawed, 17yrs old and pretty much blind and still is able to capture prey.
SO COME ON GUYS AND GIRLS LETS GO BAN ALL DOMESTICATED CATS AND DOGS SINCE THEY WILL CHASE ANYTHING THAT RUNS ASSUMING THEY ARE NOT PROPERLY TIED UP OR FENCED IN. oh and we should probbably ban venus fly trap plants because they kill flys, aquarium fish that eat small crustacians and small fish, people from having children because like pets people are pack hunting animals that cannot be taught right from wrong! Lets make sure that we as a society are never held RESPONSIBLE FOR OUR ACTIONS EVER!
YOU PEOPLE HAVE GO TO BE KIDDING ME!
#49 Posted by skipperdz on August 30, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"Okay...let's hear it: "There is no such thing as bad dogs only bad owners" BS! If your Pitbull comes into my yard you will be taking it home in a garbage bag! BANG!"
interesting quote here...actually its pretty sad to think people would say or do what this quote implies just because of a breed. sir if i were you, you better make sure there isn't a leash attached or one of us gangbanger, redneck truckin slummies my just BANG! back. Cuz you know all us pit bull owing mo fos be packin some heat!
Pathetic
well im gonna go iron my shirt while i wear it, and then sue because i burned myself. since i cant possibly be held responsible for my stupidity in america
#50 Posted by skipperdz on August 30, 2008 at 8:29 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If you have to constantly defend the breed of dog you own, as not being an attack dog type, or a viscious attacker of other dogs, children and adults. YOU ARE OWNING THE WRONG DOG!!
if you constantly have to attack a certain breed of pet, YOU NEED TO GET A HOBBY!!!
people fear pit bulls, rotts, and dobermans the same way people think diamonds are rare and expensive. its been drilled into your heads to fear dogs because of how they were RAISED and MISUSED in the past and present.
DIAMONDS are stockpiled and held in reserves to maintain a high profit. if the diamond cartel actually put all their diamonds on the market the price would plummet. its all a matter of PERCEPTION and whats been drilled into your susceptable brain
#51 Posted by skipperdz on August 30, 2008 at 8:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
First, I own 2 pitbulls and they are so friendly that they would lick ya before they bit ya!!! It's all on how they are raised...DON'T BLAME THE BREED BLAME THE OWNERS!!!!!!!!
#52 Posted by crackerstyle on August 30, 2008 at 8:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
techie im surprised your able to actualy type that many words in a row, congrats. now if you only had points to make you might actually be oh how do you say it...worthwhile
#53 Posted by skipperdz on August 30, 2008 at 8:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
These dogs, for the most part, have been breed for violence, whether it be for protection or entertainment. Owners of these types of dogs, for the most part, are breed accepting this as normal and treat them accordingly. The stories of violence are endless. Upon seeing a pit bull, I immediately question the sanity and motivations of any person who owns one.
#54 Posted by flahill on August 30, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
thanks, the book your pulled that from is a good read too. its right next to my bull terrier book.
#55 Posted by skipperdz on August 30, 2008 at 8:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dogs are unfairly stereotyped, just as races are treated the same. There is no difference - it is your up-bringing that reflects your life.
People tell me Jack Russel Terriers are hyper - If you are familiar with the breed, you are familiar with with their traits. Their habits are considered 'normal' to those that train, work and protect the breed.
However, you must know the breed, before you 'breed' the breed.
Just because one breed is considered popular, it does not mean that the owner is versed in the traits and needs of the breed. Don't own before the breed is known.
And don't own simply because the breed is popular.
#56 Posted by tderry on August 30, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#6 and the others like him are right. It's wise to pack heat when you go walking. When attacked don't think twice about using your hollow points.
#57 Posted by dwyerj1 on August 30, 2008 at 8:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Another good reason to carry a gun.
#58 Posted by NaplesOutlaw on August 30, 2008 at 9:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have a 2 y.o. 105 lb Collie, though big and strong, he just likes all animals too much. He was attacked twice while being on a leash in my (very good) neighborhood by my irresponsible neighbor’s dogs wondering leash/owner free on my property.
The CC animal control did absolutely nothing!!! (Twice – your tax money at work) I got injured during the first incident while protecting my Collie too. Still CC did not care.
Someone recommended a lawsuit – Good luck, no homeowners insurance polisies covers this type of activity since 1999 (check your policy) and going after the owner will take so much time and effort, you’ll regret having to ever start it way before the trial.
Anyway, dogs will always be dogs, punish stupid irresponsible owners and local government organizations that do nothing to improve the situation.
#59 Posted by artofnaples on August 30, 2008 at 9:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I have a very sweet chihuahua! All he wants from anyone who enters my house is to be loved. He will jump in anyone's lap and roll over on his back for some petting. Believe it or not, he is very quiet too. Most of the time I don't know where he is in my own house! He resides with a labrador retriever and they get along great.
#60 Posted by Elissa1107 on August 30, 2008 at 9:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
TO:everone who wants to put any dog to sleep just becaue of its breed. your all a bunch of nazis. the breed is no more of a danger then the owner i own three pits have raise servel others never have any of my dogs shown agression to my 8 year old or any other for that matter. the doggs that attack any breed is only doing what it has been trained or allowed to lets not ban or kill dogs like hitler did people but insted lets kill the ones who allow ther dogs to do these after all whos smarter dogs or people
#61 Posted by greasemonkey on August 30, 2008 at 9:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
We spend more money on dogs in Collier County than many nations do on people.
Pet your spouse; s/he's less expensive.
#62 Posted by dwyerj1 on August 30, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#85: your good point can be applied to "electric" invisible perimeter fences, i.e., some other dog(s) or animal(s) can walk into your property with no barriers.
this is something to remember that the doggie inside the electric invisible fence is not totally safe even on its own property surrounded by the invisible fence.
alas, logically, the irresponsible owner is the direct cause and to blame for the negative actions of the dog. a stable well-behaved dog speaks volumes about its crucial calm consistent reinforced training by a caring responsible owner. however, physical containment and barriers are necessary to discourage wandering and subsequent conflicts. now the poor doggies will be taken away because the owner was too irresponsible to care for them properly, and recklessly caused the death of an innocent little chihuahua. now they will pay $$$ for their negligence.
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as an aside, Collier County DAS does have wonderful dogs and cats and other animals available for adoption -- and they bring a lot of love into the home!
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thank you. enjoy your weekend everyone and be safe and happy, too.
#63 Posted by esprit on August 30, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I know -for a fact-that DAS has been called 4 times since April about those dogs running loose (as a pack) in the neighborhood. Nothing has been done to ensure the dogs are secure. There is no fence in the yard, no chaining up, no walking on leashes. They have been aggressive toward animals before and there are people in the neighborhood afraid of them. They are allowed to roam and that irresponsible no matter the breed or owner.
I own a lab/rottie/shepard mix. He is an awesome dog-loves his family, kids and plays a mean game of chase the stick- but he dislikes other male dogs. So he doesn't go out without a leash, or he is in my yard that is fenced in with a 6 foot high privacy fence. He was a yard dog until a loose dog (yes-pit bull) began antagonizing him and they both chewed through my fence to get to each other. Now he spends his days fat and happy sleeping on my couch! That's not what I wanted, but because I am a responsible dog owner, it is what I had to do to keep my dog. Any dog owner whose dogs (including Chihuahuas-can't stand 'em) attack off their own property should be arrested for assault. If you come uninvited to my house though, be prepared. He isn't so fat and happy, then.
#64 Posted by Sports_Mom on August 30, 2008 at 9:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Check out this story...family pet attacks child...horrible!!!
http://www.baltimoresun.com/news/loca...
#65 Posted by asia8220 on August 30, 2008 at 10:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
If any of you has ever worked for a dog groomer you know that small breeds tend to be more aggressive then ANY large breed including but not limited to the pit bull. We have 2 Pit bulls and my brother in law has a sibling to our two the three of them can come together in any yard and play together very well. My 2 play very well with both kids cats and small dogs I know because I have cats both of which love to lay with, play with, and be licked by my PITBULLS. My mothers yorkie has drawn more blood on me then any one of my dogs. Before you judge a particular animal look at the way they are being raised, not all of us raise our dogs any breed in general to be monsters. We can walk our dogs down the street and the neighborhood kids can come up and play with them and they get licks and kisses in return. Love and respect your pet no matter the breed and they will show it back.
My thoughts are with Ms. Brewer. I do hope her dog Tea gets better soon and I do hope something is done about the dogs that attacked her. I also hope she doesn't hold any grudges against other pitbulls-they are not all the same.
For those that firmly believe they are "right" about the breed I hope one day you find that you are wrong. If the person getting the dog looks into and researches the breed they are going to get then they will see if its the right breed for them. Pitbulls are stubborn and hard headed they are Super intelligent and if that intelligence isnt used they get bored and can become distructive and agressive.
Thanks to all of the people the love and respect the breed I commend all of you.
#66 Posted by A_Stalling on August 30, 2008 at 10:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Wasn't there a story a while back about a women found dead along the side of road and it was determined she was attacked and killed by pit bulls out in the estates? Better start carrying protection when walking alone or with your pet.
#67 Posted by KR on August 30, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Great story asia. Just illustrates so well why people hate this breed and their psychotic owners.
#68 Posted by almasonlybar on August 30, 2008 at 10:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Below is the published statistics of canine homicides in the United States from July 2007 to April 2008.
July 2006: 3 canine homicides, all by pit bulls.
August 2006: 2 canine homicides, Involved were 1 Presa Canario, 1 Boxer.
September 2006: No persons were killed by dogs in the USA.
October 2006: 3 canine homicides, 1 Rottweiler, 2 Pit Bulls.
November 2006: 7 canine homicides. 7 Rottweilers, 5 Pit Bulls, 8 unidentified dogs.
December 2006: There were no canine homicides.
January 2007: 4 canine homicides, 1 Pit Bull, 1 German Shepard, 3 Rottweilers.
February 2007: 1 canine homicide by a Pit Bull and Mastiff mix.
March 2007: 2 canine homicides, 3 unidentified dogs.
April 2007: 1 canine homicide, 1 Pit Bull.
May 2007: 5 canine homicides, 3+ pit bull, 1 Doberman, 1 German Shepard, some unidentified.
June 2007: 2 canine homicides, Chow, Pit Bull.
July 2007: 3 canine homicides, 2 Huskys, 1 Rottweiler, 1 Pit Bull.
August 2007: 3 canine homicides, 2 Pit Bulls, 1 Chow mix.
September 2007: 4 canine homicides, 1 Rottweiler, pack of bulldogs, 2 unidentified.
October 2007: 2 canine homicides, 2 Pit Bulls, 5 - 7 unidentified.
November 2007: 2 canine homicides, 2+ Pit Bulls.
December 2007: 3 canine homicides, 7+ or - Pit Bulls.
January 2008: 3 canine homicides, 1 Doberman. 1 Jack Russell, 2 Pit Bulls.
February 2008: No Americans were killed by dogs.
March 2008: No Americans were killed by dogs.
April 2008: 1 canine homicide, 1 Huskey.
51 canine homicides
33+ Pit Bulls
13 Rottweilers
3 Huskeys
2 German Shepards
2 Dobermans
2 Chow
1 Boxer
1 Presa Canario
1 Jack Russell
1 Mastiff
? Bulldogs
18+ Unidentified
Well, assuming that ALL owners of different breeds have good owners and bad owners equally, the Pit Bull by far has caused more deaths in the U.S. in the time span listed.
#69 Posted by TiredoftheBS on August 30, 2008 at 10:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
ANY dog which attacks a human being is a risk and DANGER to the community. It does not matter what breed the animal is.
Pit, char pei, poodle or lab, mixed mutt...etc. The aggressive dogs are dangerous dogs and need to be kept (if at all) per the dangerous dog ordinance in this county. Few insurers will accept some breeds of dogs because their statistics show a larger number of this breed to be dangerous. Perhaps it is because the breed itself but it can be because of the lack of training (on purpose or not)....the old nature/nurture argument. I don't make up the stats, but the insurance companies who pay claims collect them.
I have known great dogs who are mixed breeds, pits, rotties, and all other breeds which have been linked to attacks. I had black labs attack our dogs once when we were walking them (leashed) past a home. The labs broke out of an open window with only a screen. Pepper spray stopped them, but they almost bit me in my arm as I lifted the smaller dog (30 pounds) up above my head. My wife had our bigger dog and put him behind her with her spray aimed and ready to fire, but I got off the first shot.
These labs had never been socialized and were only used for breeding. They were normally crated in big crates with adequate food and water in the garage, but seldom had interaction with people. The two acted as a pack. One single dog can be problematic...but put 2 or 3 together and even Fluffy can become escalated enough to attack. Dog owners have responsibilities to prevent this kind of thing. These folks MUST be held accountable.
#70 Posted by BlueTonguedVole on August 30, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
OK GUYS---------It's a free country. Leash laws and all that stuff.
Who is dumb enough to walk their yappers past a yard full of pit bulls taunting them every day?
Sooner or later pack mentality is going to take over and they are going to get them.
While you have the "right" it may not be intelligent. The owners were getting great enjoyment out of doing that. Who walks their yapper anyway. Just to see what happens?
#71 Posted by jean on August 30, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SmokinHotCowgirl,
Do you really need to copy and paste that huge article? Learn to summarize and cite the article. We don't need or have time to read all that.
#72 Posted by Sanity on August 30, 2008 at 11:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
SmokinHotCowgirl,
It's a bit hard to not read it when you spammed half the blog with your copy and paste.
#73 Posted by Sanity on August 30, 2008 at 11:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Pits should not be banned (I don't own one nor will I ever own one). That is the same argument that the gun ban wackos use. Using that argument, cars should be outlawed because someone was killed in a car accident.
I can tell you this, those particular pits have shown they are violent towards animals and humans. Those dogs involved in the incident should be put down, the owners should be investigated and jailed or fined if they were found negligent.
Pit Bulls have a tendency towards violence. They must be treated with respect and caution. Great care must be used in raising a Pit Bull or any large muscular animal. While I don't believe in banning a breed just because of a few irresponsible owners, I could see making owners of known potentially dangerous breeds register them. Charge the owners of these breeds a fee to cover the cost of printed materials explaining containment & safety procedures with these breeds.
My last gripe is individual responsibility. If you are raising a dog and you notice that it snaps at small children or is aggressive during feeding time or becomes incensed when people walk by on the side walk in front of the house, these are giant red flags of an animal’s disposition that cannot be fully trained out of an animal. If you have such an animal, then you should take extra precautions to contain such an animal. If you can't contain it, then you have no business owning it!
Off my soap box now.
#74 Posted by cgbexec on August 30, 2008 at 11:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
this is the law in Ontario Canada passed after several and adults were mauled by pit bull...etc that "were always peaceful"
law was passed in 1995 and survived several challenges from pit bull owners
Which breeds are banned?
Pit bull terriers, Staffordshire bull terriers, American Staffordshire terriers, American pit bull terriers and any other dog with traits "substantially similar" to those breeds.
What are the terms of the ban?
The legislation prohibits the ownership, transfer, import, breeding and abandonment of pit bulls.
Dogs that belonged to an Ontario resident when the ban took effect, or were born within 90 days after the ban, are allowed but must be spayed or neutered and muzzled in public. ("Public" includes everything but the owner's property.) The muzzle must be strong enough to prevent the dog from biting through but can't hinder the dog's ability to breathe, see, pant or drink.
The dogs may not be trained to fight and must be kept on a leash shorter than 1.8 meters.
What happens if you break the law?
The dog will be confiscated and euthanized.
#75 Posted by Canuck on August 30, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
All of those attacking smokinhotcowgirl truley don't understand the breed. If the owners of an animal are so "responsible" they would research or know the breed from experience before they would own one. There are many dogs that I as a dog owner/lover would NEVER own based on past experiences and research of the breeds, all of which are toy breeds. Stand firm smokinhot I'm right behind you. If they try to ban this breed they will encounter alot of very angry people, and they may infact loose the population of those that own the breed. I love my pits and know many people that love theirs- GET OFF OUR BACKS!
#76 Posted by A_Stalling on August 30, 2008 at 11:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The gun owners who like to write about how they will kill whatever or whoever come close to them or their property need to get their guns taken away from them. They are obviously not mature enough to own guns. Guns, like Pitbulls, should be limited to responsible and mature citizens.
#77 Posted by ricky369 on August 30, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
oops...the date of the banning law is 2005....not 1995
#78 Posted by Canuck on August 30, 2008 at 12:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck,
Great law. Sounds like just what we need.
#79 Posted by almasonlybar on August 30, 2008 at 12:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cgbexec,
Your logic is flawed. Your car does not suddendly jump into my yard and maul my kids to death unless somebody is driving it. Your comparision is stupid at best.
Pit bulls are a dangerous breed that has killed humans.
Check out this site for pictures of victims of these "sweeties"
Warning graphic:
http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org...
If you pit lovers truly want to have a vicious animal around your kids, that's your responsibility, not mine.
#80 Posted by Sanity on August 30, 2008 at 12:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ricky369,
If my neighbor is really responsible, should he be allowed to have a bazooka? it doesn't matter how mature the owner is, pits are a dangerous breed.
#81 Posted by Sanity on August 30, 2008 at 12:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Let's make something perfectly clear! If it hasn't gotten one already, DAS needs an ENEMA..starting at the top. (Board of County Commissioners) The current laws have no teeth and as their budget shrinks, so does the quality of their staff and the care of the animals they take in.
There was/is a staff member that did absolutely NOTHING but smoke cigarettes all day long. There were others that did NOTHING because they have some kind of injury/disability and there was/is a manager that spends the entire workday trying to organize her screwed up personal life.
Based on the info in this article, the cops should have secured these pit bulls immediately..with or without the morons at DAS. I hope to GOD that the victim in this case sues the living schtuff out of the moron who owns these dogs...and DAS just for being the most unorganized and irresponsible govt. entity in the history of Collier County.
Swampfag*ot actually shed some responsibility on the Chihuahua breed for this incident. He must be an Obamazombie.
If it was me or my dog attacked, I wouldn't even waste my time with the cops or DAS and the perp dog would be pushing daisies alongside poor Brutus right about now.
#82 Posted by new2naplesguy on August 30, 2008 at 12:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
feed pit bulls fresh chunks of beef wherever you find them...juicy red chunks with rat poison
Canuck...thanks...Collier county, better yet Fl or the whole US needs to follow Canada's lead ...pit bull attacks occur every day, I only wish most the attacks were upon owners
#83 Posted by prometheus on August 30, 2008 at 12:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SmokinHotCowgirl,
Oh good then we know where to turn to when a kid or a small pet turns up dead.
http://pit-bulls.christianfunfair.org...
#84 Posted by Sanity on August 30, 2008 at 12:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sanity,
I would disagree with you. You cannot just ban things because there are people who abuse the privilege or are just to ignorant to control the situation. For every irresponsible owner I assure you there are owners that are responsible.
I have owned dogs my entire life. I have two now. A chocolate Lab and a Chihuahua. I never had a desire to own a Pit Bull mainly because I didn't have the property or the inclination to care for an animal that needs close supervision such as a Pit Bull, but I am not arrogant enough to think that just because something is potentially dangerous that everyone should be banned from owning it.
I have no problem with regulating and registering the ownership of these animals. I don't even have a problem with a first offense causing the loss and euthanasia of the animals. I just don't believe in banning something just because a few abuse it either directly or indirectly.
#85 Posted by cgbexec on August 30, 2008 at 12:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cgbexec.....as you have said .."you don't have the property or inclination to care for an animal that needs close supervision such as a Pit Bull"
pit bulls are an attack animal who can go for years without incident and then turn on the nearest aninmal, child or adult without notice
history is full of pit bull attacks form so called peaceful pets
it is in their breed and sooner or later they will attack and after study after study by animal experts the Ontario law was passed when all reports concluded the pit bull's inherent viciousness
the law was passed to protect the public and their pets
#86 Posted by Canuck on August 30, 2008 at 1:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
This comes directly from the website posted by Sanity.
"Banning the breed won't work. Determining a dog's breed with certainty is too difficult and a strain on already tightly-stretched animal control.
Instead, neighbors need to report vicious dogs and abusive or neglectful owners and demand compliance to fencing and leash laws. Problem behaviors of dogs and owners often precede attacks and could trigger preemptive steps.
You pit bull breeders and owners should face hefty fines and jail time when your dog attacks as well as high home or renters' insurance rates just for owning such animals."
I have to agree with the points made. Don't ban them, but regulate them and enforce all of the current laws that are in effect such as fence laws and leash laws.
If you have a bad dog in your neighborhood, Call the police. If you have young children, watch them like a hawk.
#87 Posted by cgbexec on August 30, 2008 at 1:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck,
You have good points. I still don't believe in an outright ban.
I just get in an uproar when people start calling for a ban of anything! First you ban this and then that and then some more until our rights are completly taken away.
You could use the premise of for the public good to ban alcohol, guns, fast cars, motorcycles and on and on.
#88 Posted by cgbexec on August 30, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
cgbexec,
I posted the website so people would see what this breed is capable of doing.
#89 Posted by Sanity on August 30, 2008 at 1:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"animals don't attack for no reason"
So after the pit attacks and mames an old lady walking her dogs on a leash we should kindly ask the vicious pooch if the old lady offended him in any way.
#90 Posted by Sanity on August 30, 2008 at 1:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
My Pitt wouldn't hurt a fly!!! He runs from the lawn guys with his tail tucked!!!!
#91 Posted by diddles on August 30, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Throw the pits to alligators, fine the hell out of the owner.
#92 Posted by AARGGHHH on August 30, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
SmokingHotCowgirl......I admire your defence of the pit bull but that does not overcome the fact they were bred as a fighting dog...in battle..and later for the farmers to protect them from raging bulls
you are fortunate that your animals have not had any episodes but check with your insurance man and see what the difference would be for your liability insurance if you did not have the pit bulls
the insurance industry recognizes the potential lawsuit from pit bull attacks
all one has to do is google pit bull attack and see the number of unprovoked attacks........not to say the pit bull did not think in their mind they were provoked but unprovoked as far as the victim in concerned
#93 Posted by Canuck on August 30, 2008 at 1:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I always thought that a person in that part of GG City who owned 1 dog was a vegetarian...
But someone with 3 dogs is a rancher!!!
Dog..the other grey meat...
#94 Posted by DGNR8 on August 30, 2008 at 2:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
APPARENTLY NOBODY ON THIS BLOG KNOWS ONE THING ABOUT PIT BULLS!! If you knew the breed , you would also know that they are not even in the top ten breeds of dogs on the bite list. Labs are the number 1 breed to bite in the United States! 2nd are the lab mix dogs! It is because of all you uneducated idiots that this breed gets a bad rap! You NEED to remember that it is never the breed of dog that is bad, it IS the owner who fails to properly train and control their animal! A dog is NEVER born trained to kill or harm anything, it is the owner that trains a dog to behave in that manner!! The owners of these dogs are the ones that HAVE to be held accountable for the dogs actions. A dog does not learn these behaviors on it's own EVER! I would much rather have a pit bull for a companion dog than many other breeds. The pit bull is a VERY loving and loyal breed! I agree this should never have happened to the chi-chi's, but unfortunatly it did and this is when the courts need to step in and make the other owners pay for the wrong done. It cannot be taken back, but unfourtunatly these pit bulls were raised to be this way by their owners. No breed should be used as a shield or protection, they are pets and family members and should be treated as such. Please get all the CORRECT facts about the pit bull breed before ranting and raving about how horrible this breed is. You can call the ASPCA and they would be more than happy to send you or email you all the facts about the top biting breeds in the U.S. in any years past. Please also read about the breed and figure out exactly what they are about and how they came about! You just may be suprised at how loyal they are!
#95 Posted by wolfpawz4 on August 30, 2008 at 2:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm so sick of pit bull owners saying what darlings their dogs are and that it's not the dogs, but the way they're trained.
This breed was developed to fight. Agression was bred into them for that purpose. So, unless they can start breeding them to be less agressive (which I doubt), I think owners should be put on notice that they are liable financially for any injuries or damage and the dogs will be put down immediately.
BTW, wasn't a 60ish woman found dead when she was taking a walk and attacked by neighbors dogs less than a year ago in the Lee/Collier area??
#96 Posted by redcarol57 on August 30, 2008 at 3:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)