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Letter of the Day: Anybody home?
Editor, Daily News:
Ladies and gentlemen, I wish that, during one of his Saturday radio talks, President Bush would ask all corporations, especially the airlines, to have adequate American personnel to promptly answer all incoming calls.
The present practice is a disgrace and disservice to all.
William A. Carleton, Naples
Letter: What is, isn’t important
Editor, Daily News:
I commend your editorial that seeks to put in perspective the strictures of the Hatch Act in the Collier County sheriff election.
I believe the amount of federal funding coming to the Collier County Sheriff’s Office is but a small fraction of its total budget. Therefore, it would seem a distortion of principle if opponents of Undersheriff Kevin Rambosk attempt to use the Hatch Act as a hammer on his reputation.
Forcing Rambosk to step aside any further from his law-enforcement duties seems akin to asking Collier County Commissioners Tom Henning and Donna Fiala to relinquish their duties during the months prior to the forthcoming elections. The net effect of such a policy would be a loss of focus of experienced leaders at a time when their best efforts are required by the challenges facing our county.
I thought Sheriff Don Hunter exhibited great foresight to recruit Rambosk to his agency. Hunter picked the most-qualified individual in the area and put him in a position in which his leadership and technical abilities could be tested within the Sheriff’s Office and within the community. It is my impression that such insightful succession planning in government is uncommon. Having taken the measure of the man, Collier voters now will benefit from Rambosk’s election this fall.
Let’s not let our local election get hung up on innocent administrative questions regarding obscure provisions of a marginally applicable federal statute (Hatch Act). Let’s encourage all sheriff candidates to run on their records, and to not base their campaigns on impugning the character of their competitors for office. Collier voters are too smart to be taken in by cheap shots.
Larry Baytos, Naples
Letter: For the record
Editor, Daily News:
I greatly appreciated the opportunity to write a guest commentary in last Wednesday’s Daily News on the successful completion of Edison College’s $2 million allied health sciences hall campaign. We appreciate the time, talent and treasure contributed by people throughout the community that allowed us to achieve our goal. While there are too many names to thank everyone individually, I did take the time to mention the accomplishments of one significant benefactor, the late Vincent A. Stabile.
It has come to my attention that I misrepresented the industrial achievement that made his philanthropy possible. In 1950 he began the family business, Industrial Retaining Ring Co., in Mount Vernon, N.Y. His hands-on involvement, his basic patent on the “dispensing of retaining rings” and his innovative management were largely responsible for the rapid success of the company.
Stabile’s patent simplified the handling and application of retaining rings, which are industrial fasteners used in innumerable applications from automobiles to household appliances.
Our community is home to many innovative and accomplished individuals. It is important that we recognize and appreciate the contributions they have made to society and the American economy.
Thank you for allowing me to set the record straight on Vincent Stabile.
Jeff S. Allbritten, Ph.D., President, Edison College, Collier Campus
Letter: One for the ages
Editor, Daily News:
A few weeks ago those of us in the Naples area lost a true friend when Sonny Lykos passed away.
Sonny was a devoted family man and will be truly missed by his extended family. But what made Sonny so special outside of his family were the friendships he made on a daily basis as he went about his business around Naples. All of us who came into contact with Sonny could count on a warm greeting, a kind word of encouragement and being invited to join him in an endless cup of coffee or perhaps even a doughnut.
Sonny owned the Lykos Group contractors, but sold out to his sons about 10 years ago because of health issues. He could not sit still and formed Construction Solutions to keep busy. He only worked about four hours a day and would do mostly small handyman repair jobs around a house — things that would not put a strain on him but things nobody else would do.
Old women loved him. He never hurried and could spend as much time talking to clients as working for them.
In a time when we wonder where the real men are, it was nice to know a real, chivalrous, mature and emotionally robust man.
He never missed a day of work nor did he ever complain of his health issues. Sonny was born to serve.
Sonny personified the words of Albert Schweitzer: “One thing I know, the only ones among you who will be really happy are those who have sought and found how to serve.”
This was my friend, Sonny Lykos.
Ken Riceman, Naples
Letter: What a waste
Editor, Daily News:
After scratching my head while reading about the Associated Press’ account of the woman carried from her boyfriend’s bathroom with a toilet seat embedded in her gluteus maximus for surgical removal at a nearby hospital, I thought I had seen “everything there is to print.”
Now comes a front page “exposure” of the plight of an aspiring nudist, with seven columns of comment about jurisdictional rights of Lee County deputies to censure scofflaws to beach obscenity.
Beach Bob’s right to object to unlawful persecution still begs the question: If the cited beachcomber had been observed “in flagrante delictu” lo these many years, why didn’t the authorities photograph the supine figure in alleged deshabille long before 2005?
As someone frequenting that portion of the beach with my toddler grandchildren, I definitely would not appreciate explaining Beach Bob’s genital configuration to wide-eyed tots!
I also do not appreciate the near-nude look of many young females on the same beach, but don’t hear about trespass warnings to them.
I guess it’s just a gender thing for the Lee County sheriff’s beach patrol, hmm?
Marisol Viscart, Naples
Letter: What we have to do
Editor, Daily News:
Letter-writer John Gunderman states that the recently passed camera system to catch red-light runners is a revenue scheme.
Gee! I thought the purpose was to reduce accidents.
Gunderman also congratulates the two Collier County commissioners who voted against the cameras. As the state legislature has, again, not taken action on red-light running, and as the problem is so widespread in this county, I would like to hear how commissioners Tom Henning and Jim Coletta propose to curtail it.
I wonder if these three gentlemen might change their position if they experienced a visit from a deputy informing them that a loved one had been killed by a red-light runner.
James Cavanagh, Naples
Letter: Together
Editor, Daily News:
Almost daily I read letters quoting the Bible “in defense of marriage,” “in opposition to same-sex marriage” or to protect “the sanctity of family.”
Keeping families together with love, respect and understanding — not by alienating and ostracizing children — best protects the sanctity of family.
A writer commented, “In the past, religions ... have taught that homosexuals are condemned from God’s favor.” That is exactly why PFLAG — Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays — is openly and publicly promoting a faith-based service for our community.
It is difficult for children to share their feelings and fears about their own sexuality with their parents because of what they have been taught by religious leaders. PFLAG exists to keep families together! PFLAG is primarily a support group to help understand and accept differing sexual orientation or gender identity in our own children.
Support from other parents helps; support from clergy is a blessing. I hope this convocation will help heal some of the wounds caused by bigotry in the name of religion. The Bible is the stories and laws that have bound people together from generation to generation. It teaches that over thousands of years society has constantly evolved and changed, along with its definitions of marriages and the structure of family units. I believe that God expects all of us to work toward making the world a better and more peaceful place. It is not an individual task; but together we can make the world better and safer for all our children and grandchildren.
Please join PFLAG this Sunday at Temple Shalom for our Interfaith Convocation.
Let’s worship together and live in harmony.
Ruth Dorfman, Naples
Letter: It all depends
Editor, Daily News:
Americans are hearing much about the oil situation in view of the fact that our daily life is dependent on that product.
During this highly charged period of presidential preference primaries, it is a focal point for discussion and a rash of political promises, which, in all probability will amount to nothing.
Politicians bemoan the escalating price of oil, but yet have done nothing to ease our dependence on foreign sources of supply, which by and large comes from nations that are not among our best friends. Our political leaders do nothing about drilling for oil in our own country or off our own shores.
These same leaders also fail to see that federal and state taxes on oil at the pump are an insidious form of taxation. They fall hardest on those who can least afford it: low-income taxpayers who must drive to jobs.
No doubt there is price-gouging and profiteering in play, but other nuances of the oil issue are there for the seeing. For example, oil is a commodity that defies the law of supply and demand, due largely to the ability of oil-producing nations to control output. In addition, there are those who state that the price of oil is not so terrible when adjusted for inflation, which, of course, begs the question.
One wonders why Iraq, Kuwait and other nations to whom we provide substantial aid and/or military protection do not assist in increasing the flow of oil to our country, thereby restoring the supply-and-demand equation?
Samuel Person, Fort Myers
Letter: What’s wrong with the middle?
Editor, Daily News:
This subject has become a political football.
Two of the presidential candidates are in favor and one is opposed to the gas-tax cut. The opponent states that it is a cheap trick to pander to the voters and that it won’t do any good but will do harm by raising the price of fuel in the long run.
On the other hand, the gas-tax cut might be considered a boon to those who are suffering from the high cost of fuel, such as truckers, consumers, small businesses, et al. It might be considered as another attempt to prime the pump (so to speak) in addition to lower interest rates and the tax rebate.
In the long run, the consumer will determine when and how we will recover from the recession. We should also help those who were unfortunate enough to be seduced by teaser interest rates to buy homes they could not afford when adjustable interest rates went up. They were misled and in effect defrauded by unscrupulous sales people.
Nevertheless, the government bailed out the likes of Bear Stearns who were involved in this practice. Two-and-a-half million homeowners are now facing foreclosure, and they also need help from the government.
It is fairly obvious that public opinion is pretty tired of the policies of the extreme right. It should also be fearful of the policies of the extreme left.
The vast majority of the voters in our country are in favor of middle-of-the-road government. Our country has flourished when governed by moderates.
Moderate Democrats and Republicans have proven that they can work together for the common good.
Stanley Tralins, Naples
Letter: Why is that so hard?
Editor, Daily News:
So, I’m addressing the envelope for my Collier County utilities bill, and I’m sending the payment to Cincinnati?
Seems like we need a management change when county government can’t even process its own accounting services.
L. Reese Cumming, Naples
Letter: Law rolls over common sense
Editor, Daily News:
Re: Letter headlined “Never in Wisconsin,” by Dorothy Tate.
I am sorry she had to pay a $17 ticket for obstructing the roadway. I did too. However, I did not have any wheels on the pavement.
Very little is known about City Ordinance Division 2, Section 36-93, which states: “The stopping, standing or parking of any vehicle in the public right of way is prohibited,” though there are some exceptions — but who knows about them? One can see vehicles in the right of way frequently, but a ticket is issued only if the officer is so inclined.
I suggested Naples resume a periodic newsletter with information about current regulations, as was started in 2002 but was dropped.
I was referred to a city Web site for information, which I find difficult to peruse and not convenient.
The public needs continuous reminders about so many dos and don’ts.
Charles Marshall, Naples
Letter: Freedom — and cake!
Editor, Daily News:
I recently attended my 6-year-old grandson’s birthday.
Considering his age, I often felt he was smart; very mature and inquisitive.
After learning about the “Tomb of the Unknown Soldier,” he realized that many individuals have made the ultimate sacrifice over the past 232 years so that we, the American public, could be free to express our views, live our lives as we see fit, worship as we choose and take advantage of the numerous opportunities this great country offers.
He was excited when he learned that our country took the lead in making this world a better place for everyone. He especially admires the military whose duty is to protect this country at all personal costs on a daily basis. He thinks the Marine dress uniforms are “cool.”
At times he would seem perplexed when he heard about people who said negative things about our country, government or military. He asked why these people wanted the benefits of this great country without wanting to participate in attaining them?
I would remind him that there are varying degrees of patriotism and sacrifice in all of us. That is why we have a volunteer army and appoint leaders to keep us all out of harm’s way!
Just then, everyone started to sing “Happy birthday to you!” It was gratifying to see the look of happiness on his face — the pile of presents on the table, the constant laughter of his friends and relatives, the ice cream and cake that was disappearing faster than the effects of “gobal warming” could produce, all because we have the freedom to do so!
Happy birthday, grandson! May you and your peers enjoy many more to come!
Tom Hmurcik, Estero
Letter: Keep it simple and keep her
Editor, Daily News:
Re: Removing Jamie Shane’s column from the Daily News.
I am one of the many people who are upset that you have removed this from the paper. There seems to be room for quite a number of writers with much less “content” in their work.
Jamie managed to present aspects of the mind while avoiding religion as such, and “New Age” concepts, thereby avoiding irritating anybody. This is not easy to do. But she did.
I hope you will reconsider your decision. Her writings were the only ones in the whole paper which dealt with the non-material aspect of our lives. What with columnists who write rather useless twaddle, I think you can spare room for this.
Terry Mattingly, on religion, is good. But that is religion. Shane’s is simply about living in a world increasingly complex.
Yes, please reconsider!
Mary Alice O’Connor, Naples
Letter: Equal opportunity divider
Editor, Daily News:
In judging the Rev. Jeremiah Wright’s recent comments at the National Press Club, it appears he is attempting to keep both white and black racism alive and well.
If he preached love thy neighbor, he would probably be out of a job, since it seems he wants to keep his congregation angry and dissatisfied.
“United we stand, divided we fall” applies to every American of all races. But not according to Wright, who preaches nothing but divisiveness.
Geri Dalton, Naples
Letter: Really so bright?
Editor, Daily News:
Why isn’t the public given the whole truth? Why are we fed only half-truths?
I’m calling your attention to the people pushing us citizens to replace our Thomas Edison light bulbs with the spiral-shaped compact florescent lamps.
These people are only telling us the “good” data on these bulbs!
The truth of the matter is, these CFLs are extremely dangerous when broken. They contain mercury. Per Webster’s dictionary: “Mercury is a heavy silver-white poisonous metallic element.”
Does the public really need this in our homes, especially homes with children?
Milla Price, Naples
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A nicely worded letter about what is and is not important in the sheriff's race. It is too bad that the multiple and severe issues brought about by the current administration at the CCSO are not taken into account. Mr. Rambosk is very much a mirror image of Mr. Hunter. Status quo. The same old smoke and mirrors & statistic jockeying that have been in place for a very long time. Rambosk is for all intents and purposes an incumbent, even though he has only been with the CCSO for about four years. He and Hunter have been in power in Collier law enforcement for nearly two decades. They have each grown complacent, fat (at taxpayer expense), stagnant and it is time for a change. As with the County Commission, School Board, and incumbent politicians of every ilk, it is time, past time for them to be booted out of office to allow new, fresh, innovative leadership to take the agencies and the county in the right direction, at a big cost savings.
#1 Posted by longtimecitizen on May 11, 2008 at 8:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I cannot understand why provisions of the Hatch Act are referred to as "obscure" and why the act itself is called " Marginally applicable" A law is a law and its provisions are real.
#2 Posted by straighttalker on May 11, 2008 at 8:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well Tom Hmercik,
I, and probably a lot of others, am delighted to see that your grandson finally made 6 years old. I think it took him 9 or so years, but, hey, who's counting. At least he's asking questions well beyond his years. (You're quite a "special" young man, grandson.)
#3 Posted by almasonlybar on May 11, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Too funny, almas.
I was thinking the exact same thing!
But I am happy for the kid, anyway.
If what Tom wrote is true, the grandson should have no problem getting into Collier's gifted program.
#4 Posted by sheenabella on May 11, 2008 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ruth Dorfman -
I want to thank you for your efforts to help religious people see the light about homosexuality. You are doing a service by helping people understand that gay marriage makes sense. Two people who want to be a couple, even if they are gay, should be able to do so. I hope that some day gay marriage will be commonplace. Keep up the good work.
#5 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 8:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Who's bringing this fresh innovation, longtime citizen? Vinny?
Or Ortino? A guy whose wife was so drunk about two weeks ago, she couldn't stand up at the bar they were at. What kind of candidate for sheriff spends every weekend drinking with bikers? That's Friday, Saturday and Sunday, readers.
Do some research, people.
Qualified or scum bag?
#6 Posted by sunnidaz on May 12, 2008 at 8:23 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Mary Alice O'Connor -
I usually enjoyed Jamie Shanes's column also. I think her column was better than some of the others. I don't care much for Sharon Randall. I've noticed that Barbara Bova's column has not been in the paper for a few weeks. I guess the paper is trying to save money, but I don't know why they save some columnists and cut others. I guess I have different tastes, because the ones I like are usually cut.
#7 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 8:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tom Hmercik's grandson thinks "OBAMA ROCKS," much to Tom's dismay.
#8 Posted by boulderbilly on May 12, 2008 at 8:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
My God, are we done with letters about Jamie Shane. Has she run through all of her family and friends to write letters?
Her column was nonsense.
Use the space for more news from wire services because God knows the NDN writers have nothing of value to say or report on. Get rid of Neapolitan and save some trees!
#9 Posted by sunnidaz on May 12, 2008 at 8:44 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This is farewell to all the posters whose views I have enjoyed reading, and those with whom I have shared some interesting debates over the years.
I'm signing off because the activities of two posters have entered a new and disturbing realm;
"All one has to do is a "Nina6520" google search, and all of your past comments suddenly appear. NDN doesn't even need archives.
#79 Posted by enigma on May 11, 2008 at 9:53 p.m."
"enigma.....thanks for the heads up re the Google search..........very interesting!!!"
#82 Posted by Canuck on May 11, 2008 at 10:26 p.m
That these two should take the time to trawl through my old posts looking for ammunition would be merely unsettling, had I not spent most of my adult life working with criminals.
A criminally disturbed person often becomes obsessed with someone and searches for ways to do them harm.
enigma's posts to me have become increasingly vile and disturbing recently, the verbal equivalent of spitting in my face.
He is displaying behaviour that indicates he is fixated. I've witnessed it many times and it always escalates.
Remember that it's only AFTER a tragic event has taken place that people remember the strange behaviour of the perpertrator.
It's sad to have been hounded out by two men who profess to be good Christians, but their disproportionate anger towards me is indicative of how differing views on religion can lead some people to become irrational.
enigma plumbs new depths every day with his vile, insulting and offensive posts to me.
If you think I'm overreacting, I don't care. He's scary, and I'm outta here.
#10 Posted by Nina6520 on May 12, 2008 at 8:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As the flight attendants on Saturday Night Live say "bye bye."
#11 Posted by boulderbilly on May 12, 2008 at 8:56 a.m. (Suggest removal)
There has been a lot of controversy about God, religion, evolution, intelligent design, priests, Popes and why the clergy wear robes.
We sure do live in a crazy world. There are millions of different beliefs and each group think they are right. It seems strange to me that if there is a true God he would let the world be in such a confused state. It's strange that this supreme being would put people on Earth to hate and kill each other. The world is a seething caldron of bigotry, hatreds, killings and every form of evil imaginable.
Why would a supreme being create an imperfect Earth that is full of storms, earthquakes, diseases, poisonous plants and animals and vicious animals, parasites and all manner of things that are harmful to humans? Why would he put humans who were created in his image to have to be subjected to all these adverse conditions?
Was it God's plan to put people on Earth to suffer and die and then after death go to their reward in paradise?
It's been said that God works in mysterious ways. To a reasonable mind, none of the things about a supreme being makes any sense.
Religious people say that evolution doesn't make any sense. I don't think the religious beliefs of people make any sense either. Religion is flawed and has been an obstacle to human advancement.
I believe in ethics, but not religion. Ethics is about knowing what is right and wrong. Religion is about dogma and ancient superstitions and folk lore. Ethics is based on intelligence and learning and science. Religion is based on ancient writings of people who didn't understand nature and science. They believed in unproven spirit beings.
#12 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 9 a.m. (Suggest removal)
re post #10...how delusional to believe criminal harm will come to her because archives to her posts are accessed...she bases this on her experience in the prison system???...
she denys saying things and now that there is an archive to prove her statements she leaves the forum with a faulty premise
too bad!!...not that she is leaving but to be so paranoid....
as one of your Presidents said..."if you can't stand the heat, get out of the kitchen
#13 Posted by Canuck on May 12, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It's about time someone stopped the inane drivel that passes for discussion.
I would have to agree that enema passes out a very 'mixed' portrayal of his 'christian' morals.
BB, "OBAMASUCKS" but then so do Billary and McBoosh.
#14 Posted by cupcake on May 12, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The way people dress changes from generation to generation. A hundred years ago, people covered almost every inch of their body, except hands and heads. Now people wear as little clothes as possible, although men still think they have to wear a suit and tie in business situations. When women go to to fancy gatherings, their arms and shoulders are bare and half their breast exposed. Times sure do change. There was a picture in the paper yesterday about a group of young people on a beach. They had their belly buttons showing and the tops of their bathing trunks just inches from their genitals. It seems that young people want to get away with as much of their body showing as possible. Boys like to wear baggy pants that are almost falling off and dragging on the ground. Girls wear tight pants several inches below their wastes.
It used to be that any boy who wore long hair was considered a sissy. Now it's the opposite. About 30 years ago boys wore tight pants.
When a person gets old it is is hard to understand all the changes that take place. I suppose in a few years, everything will change again.
I'm not a moralist, just an observer of change. Some for the better and some for the worse.
#15 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Freespeech.I only drive you crazy because I debunk everything you post that is an untruth about the country you left
never did respond....are you legal??
BTW..are you still returning to Canada to access the "free" health care???
just asking
#16 Posted by Canuck on May 12, 2008 at 10:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Freespeech;
Just because everyone on this forum does not post the obvious, that we are in peril, does not mean that the person you mentioned is the only one aware of it.
Many times, the obvious does not have to be posted.
Farewell Nina. I have found that taking a break helped me to realign my thinking and understand that "words can truly hurt."
#17 Posted by sheenabella on May 12, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Catholicism will tell you that the world has intestinal parasites because of Original Sin. They also believe that it is OK for people to suffer because of Christ's suffering on the cross. Catholicism claims to be a religion of love and peace, yet its history is one of pain and misery. One need only to look at its symbol: a man impaled on a cross with nails. A barbaric symbol, yet they interpret it as love. With the Catholic dictatorship, ANYTHING is possible. Beware of what lies behind the papal façade.
#18 Posted by NEOPTERA on May 12, 2008 at 12:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Nina -
I think the bark of the far right bigots that love to attack and are intolerant of other people is worse than their bite. They just love to tell everyone else how important they are. I think they are jealous of the people who are intelligent and dare to say what they think. They are frustrated when anyone bursts their religious bubble. I don't think we should pay any attention to their rantings. Ignorance loves company. I believe it is our duty to do what we can to exercise our right to free speech. Evidently the religious bigots don't approve of free speech.
#19 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 12:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#19 - Sheenabella
"words can hurt". Of course words can hurt, but we shouldn't let them ruin our lives. Several people on this forum have hurt me by their words, but I try not to let it bother me, because I doubt very much that they want to cause me any harm. I think some people are frustrated. No one likes someone to say anything about their lifetime beliefs. It's like taking their clothes away. When we expose religious lies, it's as though we are exposing their naked bodies to the elements. I know I've said some things that irritate poeple, but I meant no harm to anyone. I did say that the clergy looked like drag queens. I certainlty didn't mean to hurt anyone. I thought the people on this forum were mature, but I guess not. People are easily offended. If people can't stand the heat, they should get out of the kitchen.
I listen to the comedian Bill Mahr on television. What I've said is tame to what he says about the clegy and the Pope. I don't think people who get offended easily are very mature and should join a monastery or go to a convent.
#20 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 1:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
NEOPTERA......usually I leave you to wallow in the bitterness of your inane posts but today you went over the top to display your blind hatred without any prompts of religious discussion
do you really read what you post because if you do you would not expose yourself to the rest of the forum to see what a bigot you are
where is your love and peace...or do you only have hatred towards something you do not understand......or want to understand
you really are a poor soul
#21 Posted by Canuck on May 12, 2008 at 1:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm sorry, Nina, that you're leaving us. Sometimes we say things we don't really mean. I'm sure enigma means you no harm. But if you feel better leaving, then maybe you will have to do that for while. Maybe one day you will come back.
On these blogs it is easy to see how different feelings about religion and God or no God can cause rifts between people and sometimes lead to war. We should always try to understand the other person's feelings, so we don't feel belligerent toward each other.
I mean that also regarding Islam. Although there probably are some that can't be made into friends, I feel there are others who would be happy to live in a world with people of all religious beliefs.
From what I read and hear, the Muslims don't want war any more than we do. They are people like we are. We all love our children and our friends and want to live in a peaceful environment and not in fear. They are no different. In fact they ask us why we want to kill them.
Look at Russia and even China how we are able to have friendly relations with them now. We didn't need war to do this.
That is one of the strong reasons I support Barack Obama. I feel if anyone can make peace with the world, he can. And that's what we need is peace. War hurts us terribly and there often is no real winner because sometimes the victor is also a big loser.
#22 Posted by truthmatters on May 12, 2008 at 1:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thank you enema.
#23 Posted by cupcake on May 12, 2008 at 1:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck - talk to me a little about the Canadian healthcare system. I've had it in my head for the last few years that when I retire, my wife and I would move to her home in CA for 2 years to restablish her pension there (she's green card here) and I would enjoy "really" learning French this time around. I also thought that being covered on the CA medical plan would be pretty good (at least for her; don't know if I would be eligible).
I've heard you state a few times that the plan, though not perfect, was pretty good. In light of the below Canadian citizen situations, can you comment?
Wife's 67 y.o. mom has now been waiting 8 months to have some sort of gastric operation. It's non-threatening but causes her much distress. Was originally told it would be 4 months and she's now had to go back to her Dr. 2x to get Rx drugs extended.
Wife's uncle has recently been diagnosed with mouth cancer and has been told that it will be 2-3 weeks before surgery can be scheduled and then chemo/rad treatment. My wife was diagnosed with similar here in FL 5 years ago and her Dr. had her into surgery one day after lab validation.
Both of these instances are true and they give me much pause in light of what I had been hearing from you on this forum.
Thanks,
NR
#24 Posted by naplesregular on May 12, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why do we call medical care, healthcare? There is a difference between healthcare and medical care.
No doctors, or medications can give us health. The only ones that can give us health is ourselves. That is healthcare.
Doctors, hospitals and medications often times kill people. The fewer medications people take the better off they will be.
We wouldn't have to worry about medical care if everyone took care of their own health. People are unhealthy because they eat junk food and processed food. People are sick because they eat meat, dairy products, and fattening foods. Most of the food in our restaurants and stores is not good for us. Obesity, heart problems, strokes, diabetes, cancer are all on the rise because people eat the wrong food and don't exercise enough.
If we want to save costs on medical care, we have to start educating ourselves about health. Our medical care system is very costly and insurance companies take most of our money. If people take care of themselves, insurance companies would be forced out of business. There would be fewer doctors and hospitals needed.
The medical establishment is a business, and they aren't about to give up there lucrative jobs. We have to take matters in our own hands and be our own doctors as much as possible. Most surgeries would be unnecessary if people take care of themselves.
#25 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 3:23 p.m. (Suggest removal)
ok CANUCK. Actually, I get most of the inspiration for my posts from listening to Relavant Radio (1660am). There is also another movement out there getting stronger called Aggressive Evangelism. Both sources are trying their best to change this nation FROM: "One Nation Under God" TO: One nation under Christ. Doing so will destroy Freedom of Religion in America. I (we) CANNOT let this happen. That is the reason I am here fighting AGAINST Christianity, -and FOR freedom.
#26 Posted by NEOPTERA on May 12, 2008 at 3:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
NEOPTERA -
SHAME ON YOU! Don't you know it's a no no to post anti-Catholic comments? The religious bigots say it hurts their feelings. These people just want freedom only for themselves. You should know better.
#27 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Eddie? STUFF IT! I'm so friggin sick of you and your morose crap because your "opinion" is a joke.
My perfect health, athletic, 105 lb. wife was struck with an aggressive squamous cell cancer 5 years ago that typically affects older men that have had too many years drinking and smoking; she's done neither. IF not for the quality care she rec'd from dedicated professionals here in Naples, including the dentist that diagnosed her very early on, she would not be here today.
If you want to advise people to eat tofu to prevent disease, than you belong in that looney bin that keeps calling you for donations. Aristotle had a saying, "moderation in everything, including moderation". So many people on this forum have bent over backwards to accommodate you and your opinions. Today I no longer will do so. You're sick, perverted and a jerk. GOT IT???
#28 Posted by naplesregular on May 12, 2008 at 4:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#31 -
I hope I didn't give the impression that we never need doctors, because we do. But, we can do a lot for ourselves. Don't you agree? I've had skin cancers removed also. I had hernia surgery. A fractured hip repaired. The medical profession is fantastic. It's just that if we take care of ourselves there would be fewer cancers, strokes, heart attacks, diabetes, obesity, etc. We need doctors for the unavoidable. I'm sorry I didn't explain myself. You don't need to call me names. Why can't we give our opinions without getting all bent out of shape?
#29 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 4:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TR.......let me try to answer the questions about your wife's mom and uncle
you don't tell me what Province they live in as each Province govern their own health care
it would appear that an operation date has not even been scheduled so it is hard to comment
I have an non-priority elective day surgery scheduled for end of June....upon confirmation by the specialist the receptionist scheduled my operation date right there...10 weeks from my visit...
eight months is unheard of for any operation to be scheduled no matter what Province, unless by choice as snowbirds will put off an elective operationfor the winter..... the doctor has not even scheduled her for the operation which would be the right thing to do... so we really do not know how long a wait
as for the Uncle....the cancer facilities are being strapped but millions of dollars are being spent in every area to increase the cancer care
depending on the severity of the uncle's cancer operations are scheduled on priority basis
the woman who takes chemo in the bed next to my wife was diagnosed stage four cancer on March 30th..operated on April 2 and started chemo three weeks later..the earliest she could after surgery
for profit care will always be quicker but I marvel at next day....do they not do a pre-op checkup before surgery....
one does not know the value of universal health care until an life threatening illness like cancer takes hold...no medical cap to be afraid of and no insurance pencil pusher telling the doctor what treatments the patients can or cannot have
I don't know what pension your wife needs to re-establish residence......Canada and the US have bi-lateral agreements that in the case of Canada old age pension (OAP) and Canada Pension Plan (CPP) are paid in either country of residence
she would however have a 3 month wait period to regain her health card
not sure what your eligibility might be but easy to find by Googling whatever Provinces' health plan
#30 Posted by Canuck on May 12, 2008 at 4:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
and I never said anything about eating tofu. What's wrong with fruit and vegetables? They are good for us and will help us to be healthy. I'm sorry you think I'm a joke.
No wonder Nina quit in disgust. People are so intolerant of other people.
#31 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 4:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sorry TR...after the first paragraph:
"as for your wife's mom"
got left out
#32 Posted by Canuck on May 12, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
NEOPTERA.....if it's the evangelicals your so afraid of why the hate against the Catholics who seem to be your favourite target in your posts
are the evangelicals arming themselves to take over your goverment???
better you should channel your energies into something that's more realistic
don't you know that God and Christ are two parts of the Holy Trinity
should be on the look out for the Holy Spirit
#33 Posted by Canuck on May 12, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rationalman....Nina left because of all the statements and name calling she denied making could now be verified
that BS about her being afraid for her well being was her way of trying to elicit sympathy
it would not be surprising if she shows up with a different persona
you also have a knack of being very insensitive...there was absolutely no reason for you to post #28 & 30
#28 in reply to TM's post to me and you were at the top of your game of sarcasm with #30
no one is excusing your bad manners so you should expect to get battered about
#34 Posted by Canuck on May 12, 2008 at 5:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
naplesregular,
I wish the best for your wife and the rest of your family. and I really mean it. I have a cousin who never smoked a day in her life, and was just operated on for lung cancer.
I feel for your wife, and hope for a speedy successful outcome.
Rationalman: Sorry, I am one of the people who are not jealous of you, as you stated in your earlier post.
You need to put on the rose colored glasses and realize that the planet is not all bad.
and I don't mean any offense either.
I guess it's just the Elitist in me. :)
By the way, you never answered the question that I saw posted to you a few times.
What do you do to help out the AIDS epidemic, outside of complaining about it?
I am curious about the answer.
You have asked my opinion before, now you have gotten it.
Can you answer the question, please?
Thank you.
#35 Posted by sheenabella on May 12, 2008 at 5:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
naplesregular -
I don't want to bother you any more than I have to, because I seem to irritate you. I just want to add that I have been mostly vegetarian for 30 years, and my last blood test showed me to be in good health at age 84. I'm not saying that my diet is the reason, but there seems to be some connection I think. I don't feel good when I eat SAD (standard American Diet).
In the United States we are the sickest people in the industrialized world due to our unhealthy diet. People are starting to get sick in other countries where they used to be healthy because McDonalds and other fast food establishments are taking over. The diets of most people in this country is full of fat, salt, sugar, and the processed foods don't have much nutritional value. If we eat organically grown food we will be healthier.
There are very few doctors that tell their patients what they should eat. It's sad that we spend a lot of money on health care when it is not necessary.
I'm sorry if you think I'm a joke. I don't think I am. I try to be informed about lots of things.
People don't want to be exposed to anything new. It's a shame that people have to be so narrow-minded.
#36 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 5:17 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Naplesregular, It is possible to get good healthcare here.
I'm glad the cancer was caught quickly.
#37 Posted by mikesgirl on May 12, 2008 at 5:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Eddie - my wife and I eat very responsibly and I believe that many others do as well. I grow my own tomatoes and herbs. We eat plenty of veggies and dark green on the salad leaves. She is unable to eat meat/protein because she can no longer break the protein down due to the radiation killing her saliva glands. You continue to make broad generalizations about people yet don't see what is in front of your face at times.
Do you really think we don't know about eating healthy and exercise? I'm going to the gym right now thank you very much. To me, your #28 post was an unbelievably insensitive comment in direct response to me inquiry to Canuck re: CA healthcare. You had the audacity to chide me on calling it that vs. medical care. Whoopty doo.
I state my case; I've had it with you. As long as people continue to give you an inch, you take a mile. There have been so many who've tried to accept you as a crazy old uncle but no more. You cross too many lines of civility. You make some good points but completely destroy your creditability with other crazy rantings. This forum has fed your ego to say more and more and you've eaten it with both hands. Wrap your mind around that a while during your meditative sessions with yourself.
Angry? You bet.
#38 Posted by naplesregular on May 12, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck and Sheenabella -
Don't you folks believe we can do anything to help from getting sick? Why jump all over me when I'm telling people about health and the medical establishment? I should think you would be all in favor of it. I guess people think that the doctors are gods. I'll do what I can to be healthy even if you folks don't want to.
This forum is getting ridiculous. It's not a forum but a place for people to be intolerant of anyone who wants to express their opinions about health, religion, politics or whatever.
#39 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 5:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck,
Montreal (i.e. the French!).
I'm probably exagerating what my wife said a bit on the 8 months but not on the fact that mom had to get her Dr. to re-prescribe new medication because the she couldn't get scheduled by the Dr's. office in the timeframe they originally anticipated.
Re: the cancer situation, that's good to hear that they're addressing the problem.
Re: the pension, also good to hear. We're no where near retirement at this point but want to be prepared.
#40 Posted by naplesregular on May 12, 2008 at 5:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
naplesregular -
If you are eating right and getting exercise, you and I are in agreement. So why are you arguing with me? If we agree, we should have a beneficial conversation. Don't you think? I'm glad you agree with me.
#41 Posted by rationalman on May 12, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sheena - thank you. I do appreciate that. My wife is now 5 years out, feeling great and the mortality nightmares are only once a week now.
Eddie - you continue to assume that no one here knows how to take care of themselves or eat right or pray right or understand the tenuousness of faith. Why do you think we are all so dumb? Maybe that is why you get under my skin after you post too many times saying the same things over and over.
I started my one comment today asking Canuck about CA healthcare because he's from CA. You, with no insight/experience in Canadian healthcare, bolted out of the gate with absolutely nothing on point to say in an insensitive and tactless post of:
No doctors, or medications can give us health. The only ones that can give us health is ourselves. That is healthcare.
Doctors, hospitals and medications often times kill people. The fewer medications people take the better off they will be.
And you expected anything out of my other than rage and insults? Heal thyself Dr. I'm heading to the gym to coool off.
#42 Posted by naplesregular on May 12, 2008 at 5:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Eddie,
I have some questions for you about gardening. We buy local produce as often as we can, but as you know the local u-pics are a dying breed.
You've said frequently that you grew alot of your own food. Was that when you lived out at Corkscrew? Do you still have a garden in Naples Park? What did (do) you grow?
I'm good with tomatoes, they are easy, but my bell pepper plants died.
I would like to have a small garden, but my soil may be too sandy and bringing in soil would be costly, and we don't have alot of room. I would love to have squash, zucchini, yellow or red peppers and tomatoes. We had a watermelon once that took over a flower bed.
I guess I should pick up "Gardening for Dummies", my tomatoes have been very successful. Bell peppers not so much.
Any advice on gardening would be welcome.
#43 Posted by mikesgirl on May 12, 2008 at 5:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
rationalman:
Are you purposely avoiding the AIDs question because you do nothing.
Do you purposely twist what people write?
I wrote nothing about eating right or exercising.
What was the point of post 42?
If this forum is getting ridiculous, you are also playing a big part in that.
You also twisted naplesregulars comment. I am beginning to think that you get a real kick out of annoying people.
naplesregular, It's not worth it to get angry.
Let's have a good laugh over the bicker you and I got into, when I look back it was pretty silly, mostly on my part.
You have so many people supporting you, the ravings of a poster should just bounce off.
Have a good week.
#44 Posted by sheenabella on May 12, 2008 at 6:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TR.......my good wishes go to your wife for a speedy recovery..........and to you as I know what is involved being the care giver
Quebec has some of the finest health care in the country including cancer care
as for your wife's mom is she living in a rural area where hospitals may be few and far between?
I cannot imagine the doctor not able to book a surgery date....at least you have a time and then can take a cancellation if it becomes available
you have excellent health care in Naples....my family Doctor swears by Naples hospital as one of the best heart hospitals in the country
good luck to you and if you have any questions just ask
#45 Posted by Canuck on May 12, 2008 at 7:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sheena,
How are your orphans? We are dog people, but I think kittens are cute, and so mischevious. They were lucky to have been rescued by you.
I hope you had a nice mothers day.
I am really having a tough time today, having to retype everything, then again it IS Monday. It was like that for all of us at work today. Oh well, maybe tomorrow will be better.
I guess my questions will go unanswered as well. Do you know anything about gardening? I have enjoyed growing my tomatoes. I love eating fresh from the garden and the price of food is getting out of hand. I can't wait for my avocados to get ready, nor can the dogs. Sure beats having to buy them.
#46 Posted by mikesgirl on May 12, 2008 at 7:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Dougs Buy Rite has local produce but some of the stuff is a little worse for the wear and I would love to grow my own.
Growing up, my Mom always had a large garden and until recently so did my Mother in law. Can't beat the fresh veggies!
#47 Posted by mikesgirl on May 12, 2008 at 7:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Eddie defiler is a joke and maybe the biggest hypocrite I have ever seen. He professes to support the natural order of things but supports homosexuals. He wants living creatures killed because they are not native and disrupt the native environment yet refuses to admit that his own presence here is not native and disrupts the native environment. He claims to be a vegetarian but the natural order is for man to be omnivorous. Just another hypocritical liberal liar.
#48 Posted by umleed on May 12, 2008 at 7:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mikesgirl....the secret to growing your own veggies lies in the soil....you must have good soil if the plants are to thrive
believe me I am not the green thumb in the family....that goes to my wife..and I just carry the soil and spread it
if space is a problem have you thought of growing plants in separate pots?
good luck as there is nothing like eating a beefsteak tomatoe right off the vine
#49 Posted by Canuck on May 12, 2008 at 7:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck,
I have to disagree with you. I would prefer a filet fresh off the cow.
#50 Posted by umleed on May 12, 2008 at 7:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
umleed.......that too but done on the bar-b-que
but eatinf a fresh beefsteak like an apple is refreshing
#51 Posted by Canuck on May 12, 2008 at 8:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Container gardening is a great idea especially if you don't have a piece of land to devote to a garden. You can control the soil quality, nutrients, and water much easier than beds or rows.
How did your peppers die? Was it due to pests, disease, or what?
Peppers are members of the nightshade family (as are tomatoes) and have similar requirements as far as soil, water, and nutrition. My biggest problem with peppers (sweet, bell) has been aphids, but they can be controlled easily by a good spray with a garden hose to blast them off leaves and buds.
#52 Posted by Illiar on May 12, 2008 at 8:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck,
Yes, the tomoatoes have been great, and I have grown them in pots in the past too because of space issues. I do have a spot for a small garden, but I am worried about having to truck in some good dirt because of the sandy soil I have. Therein lies a pretty hefty expense. I say "small" but I would love to have at least 5 rows 12-16 ft long.
Growing peppers is high on my list. Squash and zucchini and tomatoes as well. I would have to fence it in (the dogs) and where to get some good soil is the question. Bags of the stuff would be very costly for that size.
It's too hot here in the summer for the tomatoes, but I don't know about those other veggies. I would like to have enough for sharing.
Anyone know what grows in this heat? My roses do fine, but I'm not sure about the other stuff.
My idea of "small" is in comparison to the gardens my Mom, my Grandmother or my Mother in law had.
#53 Posted by mikesgirl on May 12, 2008 at 8:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Illiar
I think there were bugs. They just never took off and then they just started to look bad, kinda chewed on... I've dealt with bugs, caterpillars, birds, etc...
I have a nice spot in the yard, but I just worry about spending an arm and a leg and only being able to pull off tomatoes!
#54 Posted by mikesgirl on May 12, 2008 at 8:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks for the all the input.
I think I will get my nose in some books. I've done the container thing and now want to go larger. Maybe I can get it all together by the time it's planting time...yeah right! haha
#55 Posted by mikesgirl on May 12, 2008 at 8:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mikesgirl.....go to LetsGoGardening.co.uk/vegtablesinfo
they seem to have some good information on how to grow in your conditions
#56 Posted by Canuck on May 12, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry to butt in but my tom crop this year has been fantastic and I don't know why. I can't believe how big some of the small hybrids have grown around our villa. We've got this one round bush about 7-8 ft tall and probably 24 ft around and the hybrid grape tom plant, from one stem (!) has covered half of it and is still producing.
Mikesgirl, pretty much getting to the end of the season at this point, too hot. I'll re-plant around mid/late Oct. I use a bit of black cow mixed with the crappy sandy dirt we have here and make sure it is well watered, fertilized and, gasp, pesticided (sorry!).
2 of my 3 pepper plants this year also did very well and are now yielding their last crop. The one that failed was right next door and from the same bunch so no rhyme or reason on that one.
Funny thing is, the amt of money I spend on my little garden is much more expensive than going up to the produce people at the corner of Bonita Bch Rd and 41 (same shopping center as ACE Hardware). To me, it is a taste of home and a huge stress relief.
NR
#57 Posted by naplesregular on May 12, 2008 at 8:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Also go to the local library for some books on Florida gardening. If you are from up north, you'll learn that the growing seasons are different down here. The summer heat and rains will put the whammy to a lot of plants that normally flourish during the summer in more northern areas, so you'll have to start a lot of those plants earlier.
#58 Posted by Illiar on May 12, 2008 at 8:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good Night All.
#59 Posted by NEOPTERA on May 12, 2008 at 9:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Good night Mary Ellen.
#60 Posted by naplesregular on May 12, 2008 at 9:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
mikesgirl:
Thanks for asking about my kitties. I now have 4, three litter mate girls, and a 20 year old, that is on all kinds of medicines, but doing fine.
I don't do much gardening, the tomatoes I did try to grow in pots didn't make it. But I have had enormous success with papaya and avocado trees, grown from a seed.
My class and I successfully grew five avocado trees so far this year, and I have grown four very fruitful papaya trees.
I also grow herbs. My oregano is fantastic, and I have also planted several butterfly attracting plants on my property.
We planted milkweed plants at school, which attract a lot of Monarchs. The kids have found the chrysalis, gently cut the branch off, brought it into our terrarium, and they watched it grow and come out as an adult. Then we have release celebrations.
It's really beautiful.
Thanks for being so nice, it sure is a pleasure to see so much positive posting today.
We had a funny experience on the way home from the Riverwalk just now.
We passed the Coastal Homes store in the Towne Center Mall, and the m and e were out on the big lighted sign above the store!
#61 Posted by sheenabella on May 12, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
nr,
No way are you butting in. Your comments are great.
Good night, John boy. :)
#62 Posted by sheenabella on May 12, 2008 at 9:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Thanks Canuck for the link, I'll check it out.
Naplesregular, don't apologise for butting in, I'd like to hear everyone's planting ideas. Your tomato monster?bush? sounds great. I'd love that, having extra to share!
Illiar, not from up North, deep south in fact, so while we got some cold it was good planting.
Thanks everybody!!
Good night and have a great day tomorrow!
#63 Posted by mikesgirl on May 12, 2008 at 9:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sheena,
Thanks for the good night laugh, took me a minute. As I'm pretty slow today. That's too funny, a digital camera on hand would've been perfect!!
I have an 11 yr old lab, he's on meds just to get by...hyperthyroid, arthritic, hip dysplasia, pretty dense cataracts and overall old man crankiness, fatty tumors all over (we just call him lumpy some days). We love him though. Nice to have them around with the kids all grown and gone. The other 2 are 2 yrs and 6 yrs.
Have a good one guys!
#64 Posted by mikesgirl on May 12, 2008 at 10:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, your lab has been through a lot. He is lucky to have the love and care that you give him.
It's difficult to say goodbye to your pets. I had to put my cat of 20 years to sleep in December.
I believe in doing all I can until they are no longer enjoying life.
I love labs. I used to have a dog, but he died at 11 years. he had epilepsy, and finally liver failure.
You just have to remember the good memories, and that you gave them a full life of love, which they may never have gotten if you didn't get them.
All of my pets have been through shelters, or students who couldn't keep the kitties their cat had.
I hope that you have your dogs for many years to come.
Pets, to me, are little fur angels.
Have a better day tomorrow.
Thanks.
#65 Posted by sheenabella on May 12, 2008 at 10:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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