Andrew Joppa -

I think you are confused. You talk about the loot stolen from the achievers. What have the heads of financial institutions and other corporate heads achieved that helps the common people? They have stolen billions of dollars from the common people on Main Street. Corporate greed hasn't helped the people on Main Street.

I know from past letters that you are a far right conservative and you are on the side of those that have caused our economic woes. It's not just Democrats. It's Republicans also. Greed permeates all stripes of political persuations. Our monetary problems lies with those who want to get rich no matter how they do it.

I don't understand finances and the economy very well, but I can understand that there are parasites running our financial institutions and corporations. Hardly anyone seems to want to talk about those things.

The only problem with Andrew Joppa's view of the world is that in most (but not all... there are exceptions) cases his "upper five percent" is not the best and brightest... just the best connected... who made money off the brains and efforts of the best and brightest. Their kind don't make the world work.

They're parasites and we'll be better off without them. Now if there was only some way to extract their ill-gotten gains from them and recycle them back into the economy.

Obama has always been for the common people. That is one reason I will vote for him. If we give him a chance, he can possibly do a lot of good for this country. The haters of what is right and just will do everything they can to discredit Obama.

Some of his haters bring up all kinds of irrelevant matters that have no bearing on his competancy. I have a lot of respect for Obama. All the lies told about him must be hard on him. He seems to have the strength of character to withstand all the bad things said about him.

I hope most voters will see that McCain and Palin will not be good for the progress of this country.

Obama is not perfect, but so far, we've never had a perfect president. I don't want another conservative in the White House. Bush has almost ruined our country in his 8 years. It's time to give someone like Obama a chance.

truthmatters -

I don't always agree with you, but I think you are consistantly the most intelligent and best informed of all the people who contribute to this forum. I admire your tenacity. I hope that more people will listen to your words of wisdom. You have more sense than all the right wingers put together.

Joppa,

Were these overachievers from Wall St. to go on strike, no one would notice.

If what is left of the middle class were to go on strike, who is going to fly the Gulf stream jets, clean the pools at the seven homes, make the ceo's their meals, clean their hotel rooms, etc.?

I personally wish the top 1% would go on strike. They can take the congress they bought with them as well. The republicans have given the elite their free ride the last eight years and we are now paying the price. We tried the neocons approach to economics. Trickle down is now drowning the middle class in yellow liquid. Time for change.

IT IS OBAMA TIME!!!!!!!

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rationale: "obama has always been for the common people"

i guess if you consider ayers, rev wright, rezco common people...

"some of his haters bring up all kinds of irrelevant matters that have no bearing on his competency"

his radical connections which he won't deny or even apologize for are certainly not IRREVELANT to me...and it certainly does NOT make me a hater simply because I do not trust his character. EVEN IF none of the other radical connections are true, his proven 20 year devotion to a white hating, country hating radical leader is enough for me...20 YEARS!!!!!...talk about HATERS

MCCAIN/PALIN 08!!!!!!!!

so glad you wrote jennifersaban - i actually was going to leave this message for truthmatters and beachykeen in regards to you and yesterday's letters to the editor:

you like her because her "posts are great" and she is "too intelligent" for the Right - i'm sorry but she just sounds condescending and snarky to me (they probably channel surf between fox news and the disney channel) (and as of now, your last post addressing me)

just because a person sounds "intelligent" doesnt mean what comes out of their mouth is truth. kinda like obama.

jennifersaban:

"can you show us anything else?" - nope, i think you pretty much already did...obama was at ayers house once by invitation...so because you visit a known terrorists house only ONCE, it doesn't count?!!?

in regards to rev wright...all that matters to me regardless of any other speeches is the important "god d*mn america" speech. i love america too much to care what that racist has to say about anything else.

jennifersaban - are you actually implying that YOU "know his church" (rev wright)...please do elaborate on his sermons that were worthy of praise...i'm interested in knowing how much YOU know! and then tell me why obama NOW won't have anything to do with this man that married him and baptize his kids

Andrew Joppa's GOP rhetorical version of history continues to prove the theory of the "Big Lie". Say it enough and you and others will believe it.
Joppa's assinine "theory" is so void of truth and reality that it boggles the mind and frustrates efforts to point out his erroneous dialogue. No amount of explanation could convince and point this out to a fanatical right wing demagogue. He is doomed to his ignorance. It can only be hoped that the "disease" doesn't contaminate the population.

jennifersaban - btw, i never said rev wright "hated whites for 20 years" - he's obviously hated them most of his life...just google him. it was 20 YEARS that obama attended his racist sermons...come on jennifer, you're a smart (girl?)...don't twist my words

MCCAIN/PALIN 08!!!!

Joppa, Give us your bottom line and not so much of your ignorant rhetoric. Tell us in your next letter in two weeks or your daily post here, the good that the Republican congress of 12 years and President of 8 years has done. I'm sure your response will be very short.

again, i must say how snarky and condescending you are, jennifersaban...

in regards to #14 - your support of ayers is laughable...

#15...are you kidding me?!?! can YOU show me anything contrary? he has cursed america more than once, your arguments are a joke!

#17...where is YOUR proof?

sorry my english isn't up to your standards, i don't blog on here to show everyone how good my grammer is...get over yourself!

MCCAIN/PALIN 08!!!

While we all focus on the economy now, has anyone noticed what is happening in Iraq and Afghanistan? Afghanistan is about to be run over by our enemies as our 'commanders on the ground' plead for more money and troops. The Afghanstan gov't is in hurried talks with the Taliban still lead by Ohmar to include them in the gov't.
In Iraq we are sending in more troops [another surge?] to quell the increasing violence. Just last week the Christians in Mosel [3000 of them] are fleeing for thier lives.
The U.S is now permitting American business to sell nuclear fuel and technology to India, the first time in 30 years. Anything for a buck?

jennifersaban - google rev wright...his sermons are filled with talk of d*mning america...i will post you as many links as you like later tonight, early morning, i don't have the time right now...same with obama having nothing to do with rev wright.

i'd just like to go back to your comment in #14 "his (ayers) violence was against the law"...ummm, the law is not an important thing for a potential president to uphold?!? again, it goes to character...i don't trust obama, period!

it's a date for tonight? (on the links?)...just as long as you promise to keep your snarkiness down to a minimum...

are you saying the article you cited substantiates you? in what way? it said everything i've been saying...but since you can't seem to wait here's a link:

http://abcnews.go.com/Blotter/Story?i...

it cites wright as giving many racist, unamerican sermons...but what's worse is that in this article obama doesn't totally disown wright...that's even scarier

Someone please tell me one instance in all time or place in world history where taking from the rich and giving to the poor has accomplished anything promised by any politician.

jennifersaban - i give you something to prove my point and that's your comeback?, typical...anyway..back at ya...something we can see, some kind of proof...

oh look, ms. grammer spelled a word wrong..tsk, tsk, tsk, shame on you to chastise me...

i'm not going to change your mind, nor or you going to change mine...so i'm done arguing with you specifically...i just wanted to get the point out there to people who haven't made their mind up yet...obama has had ties to TOO MANY shady people and organizations, acorn anyone?, it seems to be a pattern with him and it deems him untrustworthy in my book...anyone can look this stuff up and decide for themselves, i'm just putting the names out there for them to do so...

now get back to doing what you do best which is being snarky and condescending, jennifer saban. thanks.

jennifersaban - i don't exactly see obama claiming what a WONDERFUL MAN this guy is while on the campaign trail!!! that is what i was referring to in regards to not having anything to do with him...OF COURSE he has EVERYTHING TO DO WITH HIM...JUST NOT WHILE HE IS RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT...that was the point i was trying to make jennifersaban, that his judgment was poor in the past and in the present (on many occassions, not just rev wright) and it deems him UNTRUSTWORTHY!!!...

Ton jennifersaban and smartypants. Who tied your skivvies in a knot after the wedgie?

#26 hartland.

The G.I. Bill after WWII.
Every fire department in poor urban areas of the US.

RE #26 Robin Hood maybe? Robin probably was a "bloody" communist though. Hail to Republican "ACHIEVERS"!

George W. Bush/Dick Cheney and the Republican "ACHIEVERS" have raped and pillaged the American economy for the past eight years. It is literally a case of extortion.

When their comeuppance is realized after November, they can bury their ill gotten gains in tin cans all over the world in "protest". That will show the gentry that "class" has inordinate rights and privileges that are not answerable to anybody or authority, whether natural or supernatural for that matter.

The GOP Hoover depression will seem like a tea party compared to the George W. Bush/GOP DEBACLE!
History sadly repeats itself.

#32 Billy,

When did GI's become the poor???

And Fire Departments the rich??

Didn't agree with #6??

When did the cat fight start????

Though I can't provide links and quotes like you all (Do you have anything else to do???), I have read many of these things and each candidate's website and am left with feelings about the candidates that I trust. Those feelings tell me the changes Obama wants will not benefit me. For all his talk about supporting the middle class, he really supports the poor, those who complain about racism while being racist themselves, and the currently illegal. My feeling tells me McCain, hero that he is, can't cut the complexities of this new instant communication world and maverick he claims he is, still is firmly embedded in the system he rails against. I see America - as I knew it growing up - changing in a way not beneficial to me, a middle class, working American. Neither of these politicians or their platforms gives me comfort or hope. They both want power so much they seem willing to say anything, which leaves me with distrust. One of them will be president, and I will have to suck it up, I realize that. But I can't bring myself to support either one.

Is giving a $200 campaign contribution an endorsement? Or is a physical embrace required?

Bricklin,

How many young men returning from the battles of WWII were wealthy? I was under the impression none were. That is why the better off in this country, through their taxes, supported one of the most beneficial programs ever designed for the reintegration and education of the soldiers. Guess I was wrong.

As far as the fire departments in major urban areas, they are supported through taxes collected by those better off. Yet society as a whole benefits from their protection. Both are examples of society benefiting by redistributing wealth from those better off to those in less fortunate circumstances.

Perhaps if you read the post I referred to, #26, instead of just putting in your two cents for the sole purpose of putting in your two cents, you would understand. But we appreciate your non contribution just the same. Perhaps next time you might deliver something of value, like the weather report.

Billy,

Why the superciliousness on such a beautiful day?? Try to get more sleep. That helps.

Weather is great. Nice Breeze early this morning. Fishing good, catching bad, Dog swam in Gulf and chased fish away. Water temp about 84

Why is it for the first 6 years of the present administration gas was $2.11 the Dow hit 1400 for the first time with a Republican Congress majority but in 2006 it became a Democratic Congress and Pelosi said all the problems would be fixed in 90 days, the price of gas hit $4.85 the DOW hit 8450 and now it is all Bush's fault!! You Dumocrats aren't consistant with your rantings.

Billy,

Here is a story about a Republican GI from Chicago. Cook County Commissioner as well.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GIRPtj...

Google hime and read the entire story.

Thanks ChiDem.

The nation owes men like that a debt of gratitude. The Bataan Death March is a good example of mans inhumanity to man.

BTW, is it true that we hung Japanese officers for waterboarding US prisoners?

This nation should return to the moral high ground we possessed up until the beginning of this century.

Canuck, you proved yourself yesterday. You want Obama because you hate Bush. What a loser! You have your own election to worry about anyway.

JenSab, what did you post as Algonquin to get banned and have to come back under your new name?

Don't bother to answer, I won't bother to read.

Bricklin, don't bother billy. It's probably snowing where he claims to be.

Nope GF, rainy and cold at 5400 ft. in Boulder. Go to 8500 and it's been snowin' all night. We might get in tonite.

Gonefishin.......and you are voting for McCain because you hate Obama..is it because of his colour...or you believe him to be a Muslim?????

you certainly are not voting that ticket based upon their morals

and now it's leaked out that Palin has billed the Alaskan taxpayer thousands of dollars...get this....for her and her family to attend Assembly of God conventions and other meetings...

this over and above her per diem charge for working out of her house.......

and she charged when her Lieutenant Governor refused to expense his visit to the same meeting because it did not fall in the guideleines of legitimate expenses!!!!!

as Bricklin75 says...she is presidential material!!!

don't you worry about our elections.....they look after themselves as we have a multi party system...

Canuck, choose the moral high ground. Oppose candidates who:

- vote in favor of late-term abortions and infanticide.
- hang with known terrorists.
- have a slumlord help him buy a house.
- go to a racist church.

The list is too long to repeat.

And all you can do is play the race card and the Muslim card.

What a joke.
Aren't you supposed to be in church?

her per diem charge for working out of her house.......

#46 Posted by Canuck on October 12, 2008 at 11:11 a.m.

I guess that is similar to a hospital parking fee non-reimbursement???

And you claim your not anal??

now Gonefishin...keep noticing you avoid the Palin question...and based upon your comments yesterday you approve of an adulterer....who now says Obama is a good family man and would be a good President....but is still running the attack ads that he said in 2000 of the people behind those type of ads..."there is a special place in hell "......

but Gonefishin prefers to avoid these facts and continues his tired old spiel day after day after day.....

hope it's warm enough for you in Maine!!!

FYI...I have been to church and said a special prayer for you!!!

well Bricklin"anal"75 reappears after being verbally slapped down yesterday by JenniferS...noticed how fast you disappeared after she pinned you to the wall!!!!!!

you don't worry about my parking fee for the excellent care given to wife at the cancer hospital.....oh by the way did I tell you it's tax deductable as a medical expense!!!!!

now how about your "presidential material" Sarah Palin...care to comment on her abuse of power finding....her very suspect charge to the taxpayers for attending Assembly of God conventions...and oh those per diem charges...WOW

Canuck, you crack me up. Your religious zeal thinks adultery is bad, but infanticide is OK.

Pretty much nullifies the old religion thing altogether.

But, since you can't come up with a reason why Hussein would be good for Canada except that Bush has been bad for Canada...well, that pretty much sums up what all democrats are thinking. ABB!

Hussein will be bad for America.

BTW - MA is not Maine. Glad your so up on America that you think we care about your non-voting opinion.

All you Obama freaks.Obama and the DNC have been served papers from the courts to show his birth certificate. NIETHER the dnc or obama has done so . If obama has nothing to hide, why wont he produce his birth certificate???It is on youtube. a guy named BURG an ATTORNEY, check it out on youtube.

thank you for the geography lesson GF...something I should have known....

now quite avoiding the question and answer about Palin......or will you take the high road like her and not answer!!!!

BTW right back at you...it's you're.... not "your"

gotcha...you betcha..wink...wink...wink

Canuck, pretty funny, but it's quit, not quite. What a moron.

What don't you like about Palin? She was clearly the right choice because she's got all of you loonies up in arms. Face it, she's got less baggage than Hussein and is just as qualified if not more than Hussein.

Just hope Rezko comes out with something on Hussein.

You know, I listen to NPR and all they come up with is the race card (and this when Hussein clearly attends a racist church.)

Re # 40 Ahem, pardon me, but the last time I checked the country's leader is George W. Bush. Congress doesn't tell Bush what to do. (too bad) The GOP has "handled" the veto proof congress expertly to mire this country in the chaos that exists. It's BUSH"S/GOP FAULT and November will spell it out that way. Bush is another in a line of Republican presidential failures from Harding, Cooledge, Hoover, NIXON (very special mention), Reagan, and I would include Ford for exonerating the GOP criminal of the 20th Century!
The reality of scum!!!

what's moronic Gonefishin is your propesity to spend your day finding rumours..maybes...sources say...inferences...perhaps...possibles....right wing negative videos and sites about Obama

never a fact just empty words !!!!

and never a positive post about the policies of McCain/Palin.....

wonder why that is?????

There really is not much left to say Canuck. Just look around at the fabulous results of the last eight years. As they say "the proof is in the pudding."

This election is already over. Barring George nuking Tehran as a farewell gesture and one last major fiasco, BARACK OBAMA will be the next president.

Unless Cheney declares martial law and cancels the election. Phew!!!!! They can't get thrown out early enough. George and his policies have proven to be the biggest disasters in US history.

Want more of the mcsame? Vote mini me and the Alaska disasta.

Your tax dollars at work

In one county, Lake County Indiana, Gary & Hammond. 5,000 registrations, 100% democrat, 50%+ fraudulent. All from ACORN.

Indianapolis
ACORN had a big registration drive. It was so good, there are more people registered than people eligible to register.

ACORN is under investigation in Ohio and at least eight other states.

How did ACORN determine what states to spend your money to register voters?? Strange that they were battleground states. So its is the outcome that is important, not just registering.

Those community organizer really know how to get out the vote.

And thanks to the money government has confiscated from you to pay for it.

Umm Bricklin,

2500 votes in a national election is as relevant as a knat on an elephants arse.

We do appreciate the excuses for the inevitable beating the neocons are about to receive though. Ya still have three weeks to come up with a whole shopping cart of excuses.

LMAO.

The conservative movement is toast in Nov. Americans vote with their pocketbooks and have been failed miserably by Bush/mini me/Cheney. It's BYE BYE.

Destiny! If you vote Republican, the abyss is apparent. If you vote Democratic, there will be a challenge to correct and amend the distortion of the last 8 years. What would a reasonable voting individual elect to do? Hmmmmm! Is there any doubt?

RE: Post #52 -
Don't believe everything you see on YouTube! Here is a link showing Obama's birth certificate from the LA Times. He was born in Hawaii.

http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washi...

In light of all we have seen in the country. I am thinking right now that instead of voteing for who we think can help fix the economy we need to vote for the one who is going to do the least amount of damage while their in office.

I my self am so disgusted with the choices we have when it comes to politicians from either party. The bills they pass are loaded down with the earmarks just to get the bills passed and I doubt that will ever change.

One thing I read this week was about the bill that is to help farmers with government subsidies. Instead of going to people who work the farms in some cases the money can go to the ones who have bought the farm and never works the farm. here is a link to the story.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/27108292

First, SmartyPants #10, The reference in which I heard the Rev. Wright utter God d*mn America was when he was talking about all the bombings from Hiroshima and Nagasaki and on that we had done and all the people that were killed in the process. He was angry at the many dead and maimed people at our hands. Isn't that what ministers are supposed to be against? Killing? What Wright was d*mning was the killing.

Also, the Rev. Wright had many, many sermons throughout his years, and only a few of them were in contention. Obama said he went to his neighborhood church to hear about those teachings of Christ. And there were many of those.

Christians have committed many autrocities throughout History, and yet we don't chastise people for going to Christian Churches. It is because we have learned to put things in their proper context and gather the good while understanding the past, the times and the imperfections found in all people.

JoseyGirl, #36, Although both Obama and McCain have tax plans to help the poor and middle class, Obama's is much better, for he gives three times the relief for couples making under $250,000 than McCain does, and Obama allows the tax cuts of the Bush years for the rich to expire and revert to what they were under Reagan. This means that Obama will recover for our treasury 800 billion dollars while McCain will increase our deficit 600 billion dollars. That means that Obama's plan helps pay for purchasing health insurance or lowing the costs of a plan you may own without raising the deficit.

What is really abhorrent about McCain's plan to give further tax breaks to the rich is that all those who became really rich off of these mortgage scams will benefit even further from their already profligate take. That we should never allow.

Obama would lower taxes for small businesses and larger corporations who keep their businesses in this country. He would not give tax breaks to those businesses taking their jobs out of the country. And he would put money into job creation in the alternative energy field, thereby lowering our energy costs to all Americans while putting more people back to work.

And, Iraq alone costs us 10 billion a month. Obama would get us out of Iraq and stop this obscene outgo from our coffers when we are sinking. Iraq can pay their own way now. They have plenty of oil money.

Obama would mend our relations throughout the world so other countries would join us in sharing the burdens. We cannot be world policeman. We have not the means. We must come home and care for our own people and economy here, or America will be no more.

I hope, JoesyGirl, you will see the difference and how important it is that you help our country and our middle class who are losing their jobs and all who are losing all their savings. Obama is the best one for the job. We will get either him or McCain. We cannot have more of the same or more war which McCain is indicating he will pursue.

Mr. Joffa, It's funny how you give the upper 5% all the credit for America's greatness, when in fact it was not big corporations that freed us from the British. It was ordinary people that broke the grip of the British Empire. It will be ordinary Americans that will be sent to preserve our freedoms or your 5% corporate businesses. Try building a big corporation without the ordinary people that you need to sell, buy, distribute,stock and use the products. Why is it all of a sudden anybody not in your country club is a burden. Normal people just want to be able to work. They work for their salary and are proud of the corporation that they work for. We need each other. Big corporations crush the small guy. They get their supplies cheaper, they get cheaper insurance rates, they even pay less for their cable television. I am truly greatful for the jobs that they make available for ordinary americans .Its not American not to help your neighbor.

#64 - chincieone
Thanks for reminding us about the unfairness of farm subsidies. Often subsidies don't go to the farmers who really need it. Whoever the next president is, he will have a full plate of problems to deal with.

#65 truthmatters -
Good points. We can't dwell on the past. We have to move on and try to correct the mistakes of the past. It's easy to quote Wright out of context. We should find out what he meant. I don't think Wright was being unpatriotic. He was emphasizing the hypocricy of what we are doing. We should put ourselves in the place of black people and realize that they have suffered in this country for hundreds of years. I also think it is silly to say the words "God bless America" like a bunch of robots. I think Wright realized that God can't bless a country that has been racist for centuries and has been responsible for so much killing.

Gonefishin, I want to thank you for quickening my reading time on the blogs by referring to Obama as Hussein. Whenever I see you do that, I can quit right there.

I don't know what pleasure it gives you to call Obama by his middle name or if you think the point you are making goes past us, but it lowers you. It makes you seem only able to name call because you have nothing else to use to fight with.

Rationalman, thank you for the compliment. And I must tell you how much I appreciate that your blogs are always gentlemanly. You make your point without having to make up rumors or be hateful. You always try to remind us to be kind.

That reminds me: I read that the valets at the V.P. conventions said that the Democrats were much more courteous and generous than the Republicans.

I feel that too on these blogs. Republicans, it's time to look at yourselves and what you emit. We don't need more hate. And, as a Republican, I'll try to do my best to keep to the issues. If a party can't win on those, they don't deserve to win.

Obama has held himself above the mud. He represents many of the things that I believe in, because he has character and he's not a Communist or a Socialist or a budget buster or a war monger. He's definitely up to the job.

I too read Ayn Rand's, "Atlas Shrugged," Mr. Joppa. I understand the point she was making that we need the job creators and entrepreneurship that builds industry to give us jobs.

However, it wasn't corporations in the traditional sense that gave us this problem, but even those corporations have rules. We even have laws against monopolies that strangle competition and make us virtual servants of one giant entity for our needs in any given area.

So, we always have rules. And since we now have many stockholders in these corporations, they are answerable to millions of people, so corporations have to go through audits and act honestly.

The people who get taxed with income taxes are the big executives of corporations who have managed to give themselves huge salaries and golden parachutes even if the corporations are near bankruptcy. Executives give themselves huge bonuses even when the company is losing money and they have poorly managed it.

Actually it's not a bad idea to keep our companies here by lowering their corporate taxes and allowing them to compete with outside countries who often have no corporate taxes in their counties.

Also, it would help our corporations to have health care a matter of individual purchasing because other countries' corporations pay no health care because they have national health care.

I see our problem here a problem of two things: Over over borrowing by both individuals and government and our being remiss at keeping good jobs here.

We can't fix this problem by fixing lending and credit alone. We need more jobs for our people. And, we have an excellent opportunity to invest in alternative energy, creating many more jobs and keeping our purchasing of energy here with the revenues from it coming to our treasury and to our people in jobs.

That's only one opportunity we have for industry here. Now lets encourage and give tax breaks to our entrepreneurs to think of others. Getting jobs going again will raise our ship.

And, we must get out of the Middle East. There is nothing we can offer or accomplish there.

i have to take a minute and get something off my chest...

CANUCK: several Letters to the Editor ago you tried to school me on the word hypocrisy implying i didn't use it right...i DID use it right, you were a hypocrite in your posting. you also mentioned i spelled it wrong...that was right, it was an oversight on my part. now i find several of your postings here today with misspelled words (oversights on your part, i'm sure) but i can't help but point out to you to keep your definition and spelling lessons to yourself...something about stones, glass houses...same with you jennifersaban

ok, now let's get back to other stuff...i'm just curious as to why an obama supporter (jennifersaban) thinks it's completely appropriate for obama to attend ayers house (only once) when the only crime ayers committed was "violence against the law...the laws of our country"

so which is it...obama supports violence against the laws of our country or he doesn't support it and it was a huge misjudgement on his part to attend ayers house?!?!

smartypants....I made a point about your mis-spelling of the word because you used it to insult me out of the clear blue sky....if you are going to insult someone make sure all your insulting words are spelled correctly!!!
BTW...I never had any dialoque with you until you initiated your attack!!!!

yes you are right....I put down quite..when I meant quit....and left the n out of propensity
but I was not insulting or calling the poster names!!!

then you had the audacity to send me e-mails harrassing me because your nose was out of joint and you had a hissy fit!!

so if you want me to keep my comments to myself...don't attack me or call me or call me names!!!!

very basic!!!!

oops..."dialogue"

canuck: point proven.

and btw, i did not "insult you out of the clear blue sky"...i called you a hypocrite for what you posted about certain other bloggers that day...

i've never attacked you any other time either.

JemmiferSaban-your right, if ignorance is bliss your must be in heaven. Palin has no baggage? What about useless spending with the bridge to no where? What about trooper gate? What about ignoring experts and keeping a milk company open to help her neighbors only to lose another $800.000.00 in a six month period? What about refusing and fighting efforts to put the polar bear on the endangered species list? What about her husband belonging to an organization for 4 years that tried to break away from the USA and start their own country? IF Palin becomes Vice President we will be forking over millions while shes in office to fight her legal battles.I suggest JenniferSaban you turn off the tv and start reading ( if your able ) and get some facts before opening your mouth.Palin should go down in history with other vice presidents of her caliber-Agnew, Nixon,ect.

JenniferSaban-Sorry, forget about Palin being mayor of a small Alaska town of 70,000 that had a blanced budget when she took over only to be $20M in debt when she left. Go baby, waste your vote.

smartypants......I suggest you look up the meaning of hypocrite and then review my posts.....I believe everything I post!!!!

and BTW....calling me a hypocrite for my posts to others....not to you...is an insult "out of the clear blue sky"

I said I have never had dialogue with you so I don't understand your last sentence

I consider the matter closed!!!

sorry.....last post incorrectly posted on wrong day!!!

it has been a long day...please disregard post #78

canuck: it had nothing to do with BELIEVING in your own post - my point was that you were accusing others (re-read your post if you must) of doing something you do on a daily basis on here -THAT is a hypocrite, stop trying to school me, you look like a bigger fool!

smartypants....this is the meaning of hypocrite!!

"A person who professes beliefs and opinions that he or she does not hold in order to conceal his or her real feelings or motives"

end of conversation!!!!!!

jennifersaban: "you obviously cannot accept the fact when you are wrong" - so you are right? because i don't support YOUR view, i am wrong?

yes, we have a major difference in thinking - you are exactly right on point there - i believe ayers is a criminal - you believe he is a respected leader...now let others who haven't made their mind up yet, decide what they want to believe.

canuck: stop addressing me if you want this to be end of conversation!

the definition you give is not the only definition. another: one who feigns to be other and better than he is. you feigned yourself better than others by posting they did stuff that you would not, which in fact you do!

my point is, stop trying to school people.

jennifer saban - not really, i'll wait until election day, polls have been wrong in the past.

and on the other link - again, it all revolves around what you believe is right or wrong- i personally believe "violence against the laws of our country" is wrong - you obviously don't - that makes you a radical. that's why you have no problem voting for obama.

you are not going to change my mind so stop trying.

i'll just work on that other 17% ha!

jennifersaban - btw, love the google link - first article on there definitely does nothing for your argument - especially the part where it quotes ayers as not regretting setting the bombs and that he would do it again and to kill rich people, and so on and so on...

give me something better, jennifersaban. i'm beginning to think you are not as smart as you purport to be.

jennifersaban: i refer you to your previous post #25, last paragraph...practice what you preach

jennifersaban - here is the article your google link first referred me:

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au/...

especially like the part where ayers would considering (bombing) again.

w0w. i just read all of the previous posts and i have to say that JenniferSaban is a nasty condescending little twit.
sorry but thats the way i feel.
you have a nasty little chip on your shoulders.

smartypants. i was beginning to think i was alone on here. i FULLY believe that Obama is a liar, a fraud and just a joke in general.

he dropped his own pastor like a fly. just because it was getting to much attention for being so nasty. didnt he have affiliations with wright and his church for like, 20 years? i believe he will continue to follow wright after the election. hes a coward.
and why is it so hard for people to believe Obama has affiliation with the muslims and terroists. ayers held a campaigning party for obama in his living room! people say obama doesnt know of ayers past? PAHLEEEEEESSSEEEE.....
And what about this ACORN scandal? he has ties to this organization. doesnt suprise me.
but people still want to eat out of his filthy, crooked hand.

wright DID say gd america. hes a racist, he makes it known too!

see, unfortunately, there is too much of a nasty pattern with Obama. i hope people start seeing him for the crook and liar that he is............

MCCAIN/PALIN 2008

God BLESS america!!!!!!!

jennifersaban: you're a sad human being, especially calling me a twit when someone else called you one (btw, thanks patsprincess!).

you're just mad because i threw your link back in your face and i refuse to go away like others you take on with that mean, nasty tone.

again, get over yourself!!!!

JenniferSaban-why?-see your post #60

jennifersaban - read your post 97. and after that why don't you shut it on the nasty tactic you use putting everyone beside yourself at grade school level.

jennifer saban - i don't need my own links, yours seem to work fine for me.

poles or polls, which is it?, ms know it all

jennifersaban - the same could be said for you. (not walking the walk) as far as i can see, the only thing you've done here is insult people's intelligence level for not believing in your views. it's getting old.

patsprincess: thanks for the support and don't listen to the nasty insults that twit :), jennifersaban, flings at you...i just let her spout off about how unintelligent the rest of us all are for not agreeing with her and then i throw her links back in her face. she's a dandy!

jennifersaban - that was under the condition you would keep your snarkiness down to a minimum and well...we see how that's worked.

i posted a link immediately after that comment that proved my point on rev wright and obama - also your links tonight have worked for me...

i have found with you that no matter what i link, you find a way to put my intelligence down. so i'm done with you.

any other links i post will be for that 17%'s benefit.

have a nice evening.

http://elections.foxnews.com/2008/03/...

obama was happy to devote 20 years of his life to this radical but when controversial things came out regarding wright after obama's running for president, obama claims to not agree with him...he can't have it both ways - this is why he can't be trusted!

the same with ayers. and acorn. and rezco.

http://newsblaze.com/story/2008101015...

rejecting statements isn't the same as rejecting the reverend in some form or another?!

but anyway, you're exactly right, he doesn't reject the reverend, that's what scares me about him. he rejects him just enough for the american public to be ok with it...no good obama, half rejecting a country hating radical isn't good enough for me.

jennsaban - you can post as many links as you like trying to downplay rev wright's speech, but you won't change my mind...he's racist and unamerican. and half of the country agrees with me.

let's remember, rev wright is not obama's only tie to a radical...even if some of the info is not true, obama, by way of who he hangs with, is a shady individual. which would be perfectly fine with me...IF HE WEREN'T RUNNING FOR PRESIDENT!!!!!

here's the thing jennifersaban, i would love to answer all questions you pose me, however, my answers aren't intelligent enough for you and quite frankly, i'm over your insults.

as far as "cherry-picking" the sites i want - you are doing the same thing...

whatever, jennban.

how's it feel?

obama's own lame admissions are the proof of who he has been linked to.

jenban - does it get tiring to have to defend your candidate that much?

http://news.bostonherald.com/news/nat...

another fav of mine:

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/...

angry at whitey, is she? yeah, she's never been so proud of this country until ol' hubby was running for president...kinda blows her whole thesis out of the water...she's the other half of the reason i don't trust obama.

jensaban - if you're not in the mood for my games, then why do you keep playing? why don't you just go away. you're like a pesky gnat that won't die after it's been slapped 5 or 6 times.

you wanted links, i gave them...nothing is going to satisfy you.

and oh yes, i can "handle it" otherwise i would have ignored you long ago.

i don't see any answers from you either that satisfy me...so now what? your explanation of ayers was totally laughable, rev wright is a racist unamerican, michelle obama said what she said, take it however you want, and ACORN is stealing the election for your man.

are you for real? i don't post disagreements with your answers? really?!?! one thing you can be sure of: i disagree with everything you say.

hurl all the insults you want, jensaban, you will not break me.

jensaban:
when did i claim to have all the answers? find that post for me please, until then, stop putting words in my mouth. in otherwords, shut your trap, you are a blogging bully. you have no real answers so you make up for it by being condescending.

JenniferSaban....you have just encountered two women who are in the "anti-Obama" cult that will never let the facts cloud their hate agenda....despite proof to the contrary they hang on to the old rumours....outright lies and maybes that permeate the internet where anybody can post anything they want....

these two are prime examples of the type of hate campaign carried on by Bush people against McCain in the 2000 primaries about which McCain said at the time..."there is a special place in hell for these people"

and notice they never post any positives about the McCain/Palin ticket...only hate against Obama...makes one think is it colour or religion or both???

you know what smartypants. its really sad that people get on here and bully other people . just like jenban is doing. she just probably feels so so so tough sitting at her computer and flinging insults.

jensatan, you are an evil, evil, hateful little biznitch........why dont you go away. your hostility is frightening. how dare you ta;lk about peoples intelligence level. smartypants is right. you are like a nasty little bug who just wont go away. and shes also right by saying that it must be annoying to have to defend Obama so much. it seems controversy just keeps popping up . its becoming a pattern. it just seems to follow him around. acorn, ayers, wright, the islamic leaders./

oh and btw jensaban, how smart is he really? for him to say "im proud to say that i have visited 57 out of the 59 states" LOL LOL LOL last time i checked, we have 50 states! and hes a harvard graduate? no thats right, even THAT is controversial because records of him going to harvard, are , dare i say it, MISSING.........

jensaban, you are a low life. and i feel bad for you that u are so misguided.

smartypants, u just have to feel bad for people like her and this canuck person. they are just sad and lonely, and just completely miserable with their own lives that they have to feel powerful by belittling people on the computer.

patsprincess...as someone said on the other forum...you must be a nut case.....

you claim to be a Christian yet you post hate againsts Obama and Muslims....

are you only a Christian to specific people

and who was the one who called JenniferSaban a "twit".......all you can do is insult people which is a substitute for anything intelligent you might say....such as the first sentence of the second paragraph of your rant above...it dosen't take a rocket scientist to read what you really meant to call her

perhaps you better look inward and exam your personal brand of Christianity which is not going over very well on this or any other forum

i never said i was perfect. im not . but thatbgirl is hateful.

GOD does love everyone in the flesh. but i can guarantee u that people involved in evil things WILL NOT see the kingdom of heaven.

i see u dint defend obama bin laden. how can u:?

perhaps you should review your Christian attitude by reading..or re-reading ....Luke 6:35

oh bite me mr perfect.

there is a way to share your opinions without being hateful or rude. and i have a right to express MY OPINIONS.

you all say that were in a anti obama cult. give me a break. you obama followers are in a cult all on your own. its scary that people believe in him so much.

in the bible, in revelations, it talks about the end times. it talks about a new world order, and the antichrist. the antichrist will come along and woo people, and everything will seem fine, and then all of a sudden, BAM it all changes.
it talks about a world bank. everything being controlled by one organization. dictatorship.

so you keep on believing in mr barack bin laden. go abead.

what a beauty...do you kiss your loved ones with that potty mouth????

very Christian of you...

what did i say so bad? u just cant admit that obama is piece of garbage. thats something u need to come to terms with dear friend.

you know what? this is is completely out of hand. i am 25 and the mother of 2 kids. i graduated high school. so jennsaban, what else do you want to know about me. atworkandplaying, what exactly did we do? except defend ourselves and defend mccain/palin?
oh well.

it doesnt matter what anyone thinks of me. they dont really even know me. were all basically annoynomous people, sitting in front of a computer , so no one knows us enough to make judgements out of each other. and bullying each other, or degrading, or using hurtful comments is not expressing our political views. its like were in grade school.

enough is enough.

mccain/palin 2008

yes i have children. do you? if you do, THAT would be the tragedy.

jennifersaban: was post #160 really necessary?

newsflash: degrading others who do not share your views is not going to get us to vote for your man obama. you sound desperate and small. you and your minions (you know who you are, canuck) need to stop bullying people into thinking your way. you are only solidifying my vote for john mccain with your ugliness.

patsprincess: again, thank you.

have a nice evening all.

mccain/palin 08!!!!

Who really is associating themselves as a terrorist? The McCain campaign for the past week has been try to terrorize the American voters with political rhetoric scare tactics.

The fact of the matter is if we had a candidate that matched Obama on the democratic ticket, but were any other white man in politics, we all know that their would be no argument of who wins on Nov 4th. Unfortunately a majority of the uninformed voters can't get past the word black.

I am a white male 28 years old and have been a republican for 10 years. I voted Bush in the past two elections. I served in the US Army in the 101st Airborne at Ft Campbell, KY. So much for stereotypes! This year my vote goes to Barack/Biden!

RE:162

The following quote is the exact same thing that the McCain campaign has been doing to the American Voters.

"newsflash: degrading others who do not share your views is not going to get us to vote for your man obama. you sound desperate and small. you and your minions (you know who you are, canuck) need to stop bullying people into thinking your way. you are only solidifying my vote for john mccain with your ugliness."

naplescritic - my quote was directed at jennifersaban specifically due to her bullying tactics on this blog. if you feel the mccain campaign is doing the same, then so be it, that is your opinion. i will not put you down for it. however, jennifersaban loves to put people down and insult their personal life (the children comment was completely out of line)

she is an obama supporter...she has so much loathing for her fellow citizen...i'm just saying...

No offense taken just an observation...

you are so childish smartypants......how old are you??...10?.....

you are upset with JenniferSaban because of her comment to patsprincess about children but not a word about her vicious comment!!!!

you right wingnuts are all alike ..pick and choose what you want and disregard anything else that may not fit your agenda!!!!!

as JenniferSaban said earlier.....pathetic!!!!

canuck: once again, your last post proves my point.

pathetic indeed!

I totally agree with NaplesCritic and Canuck. Patsprincess has said some really scathing things towards other posters in the name of her God.

my GOD? there is only ONE GOD. so im not sure what you mean fudge. but i just want to make one thing clear.

just as we have a freedom of speech, and opinion, we have a right of religion. so im not sure why i am being attacked for my beliefs.

this political view blog has turned into bullying, and condescending words. bashing if you will. dont we all have a right to our opinions?

JenniferSaban is a rude, condescending little brat. who has nothing better to do than belittle and criticize people

Your not being attacked for your beliefs your being attacked for your behavior. You need to go back and reread YOUR posts. I especially enjoy #148 it shows your maturtiy level and I'm sure God would approve.

And by the way Pat your God is not my God!!!!!

fudge. you are right it was somewhat childish. i am not perfect and i need to pray and ask God to forgive me for being that way. I apologize.

fudge, again, there is only ONE God. and God loves u and me.

patsprincess is being dressed down on all the political forums in NDN yet she cannot see that her actions and her views assaults the minds of most of the bloggers here.......except her little playmate smartypants.......

I do not recognize the God of this person who would condone the hatred she posts and then says everbody picks on her or bullies her when they respond

you can be 25 years of age and still have childish behavior and I believe this is what we have witnessed on this blog and what we have seen on the other blogs

her evangelical faith will not allow her