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Letter of the Day: Goats
Editor, Daily News:
Many local residents in Southwest Florida have roots in Chicago and environs.
Thus they are for the most part fans of the Cubbies.
This team has for decades suffered from a curse laid on them by shortsighted Cubs management which refused admission to a goat from a local watering hole.
This year it happened again!
A fan showed up with a fan billy goat named Tito. Tito and owner each had a seat for Game 1 of the playoffs. Guess what? Management denied Tito the joy of seeing the game.
That was it for the Cubbies’ hopes for 2008. Three games played and three games lost!
Now is the time to suggest a cure. Wrigley Field is vacant now for six months. Management should invite a multitude of goats to spend these six months on the field doing things that goats do.
There are a multitude of Washington goats from Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the Dems who lit the fuse on the current economic curse by doling out loans for social engineering to folks with no credit and flippers gambling for big bucks.
Maybe they would be wonderful goat tenders, since they don’t know anything about loaning taxpayer money.
H.R. Buttleman, Fort Myers
Letter: Is that what it means?
Editor, Daily News:
The recent furor over the comment made by our local sheriff, Mike Scott, has me wondering.
Will local residents with Obama/Biden stickers on their cars now be at a greater risk for being stopped, getting higher fines or worse?
And will those displaying a McCain/Palin sticker be more likely to be given a complete pass or just a warning?
Leah Quin, Estero
Letter: Just like him
Editor, Daily News:
Guess what?
When Sen. Barack Obama takes office, during the swearing-in ceremony, he surely will be called “Barack Hussein Obama,” just like Richard Milhous Nixon.
Get used to it.
Renate Kelly, Naples
Letter: Burns me up
Editor, Daily News:
Proven once again:
Tell the truth and you are crucified. Tell a lie and you are idolized.
Lee Sheriff Mike Scott used Barack Obama’s legal middle name. So what!?
The world is going down in flames and people are complaining about the sheriff wearing his uniform.
Get a life out there in goofyland.
H.M. Peno, Naples
Letter: Middle name, bottom line
Editor, Daily News:
Whatever has become of our beloved American freedoms provided by the Constitution — namely, freedom of speech — now that Barack Hussein Obama is aspiring to lead our country?
Have we forgotten that he defeated Hillary Rodham Clinton for the Democratic nomination for president?
Have we forgotten Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Dwight David Eisenhower, William Jefferson Clinton, John Fitzgerald Kennedy?
Protect your freedoms with your vote.
Wilma Neuman Whitaker, Naples
Letter: No middle ground?
Editor, Daily News:
Thomas Alva Edison, George Washington Carver, Dwight David Eisenhower, John Fitzgerald Kennedy.
And the list goes on.
Shouldn’t there be pride in one’s full name? I’ve heard no complaint from Barack Hussein Obama!
In wonderment, I am ...
Thomas Alfred Smith, Naples
Letter: In great company
Editor, Daily News:
Franklin Delano Roosevelt, Dwight David Eisenhower, John Fitzgerald Kennedy, Lyndon Baines Johnson and William Jefferson Clinton are some of the U.S. presidents who were not ashamed of their middle name.
It is common for people to use their middle name.
Why was Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott admonished for using the Democratic candidate’s full name, Barack Hussein Obama? It is the candidate’s name, isn’t it?
If the people really want to elect this candidate president of the United States of America, they should get used to the name Hussein.
Joyce Marina Kaiser, Naples
Letter: One for the ages
Editor, Daily News:
Since when is an American, any American, including a county sheriff, not allowed freedom of political choice?
Everyone in Lee County knows the sheriff, no matter what he’s wearing, and he should be able to support the candidate of his choice. A federal investigation for this? (Once again our tax dollars at work). Ridiculous!
This kinda reminds one of the Dark Ages when those men not of viewpoints concurrent with the reigning kingdom were neutered and ordered to serve the king as eunuch slaves.
Thank God Lee Sheriff Mike Scott has not met that fate.
I also see nothing wrong with stating a presidential candidate’s full name in public. The Democrats seem to have no problem pointing out John McCain’s age. One could easily take that as age discrimination.
Both instances (Obama’s “Hussein” and McCain’s “age”) are just stating the facts; but the difference is, McCain doesn’t cry about it — at least not in public.
Kathy Stigar-Brown, Bonita Springs
Letter: Old and new
Editor, Daily News:
Re: Joe Biden.
New hair, new teeth, new face.
Same old excision of the truth!
Lynn Thomas, Naples
Letter: Enough already
Editor, Daily News:
Why all the clamor around Lee Sheriff Mike Scott appearing at a political campaign?
Surely his holding office does not preclude his right to support the candidates of his choice — the same right bestowed upon Joe Biden, Hillary Rodham Clinton, Harry Reid, Nancy Pelosi, Charlie Crist, et al. No one complains when they campaign for candidates while they are on the public payroll.
As to the uniform, he is the sheriff. They are congressmen and governors. Scott’s attire fits his office; their $2,000 suits and designer collections fit theirs.
Barack Hussein Obama, that is his name. He claims it as his own. He speaks often of his heritage. He is 48 years old, well past his coming of age. He has had 30 years to change that name if he disliked it.
Good enough for Obama. Good enough for Scott! Good enough for me and millions like me!
James T. Brennan, Naples
Letter: Just what we don’t need now
Editor, Daily News:
Amendment 2 is ill-advised.
If its origin is opposition to gay marriage, it serves no purpose. Florida already has a law that makes it illegal for other than a man and a woman to marry.
What the amendment will do, however, is deny sorely needed revenues from cities, counties and the state by embittering many unmarried heterosexual couples who will leave Florida for more accommodating states.
We are in horrific economic times. Everyone is already feeling the punch of unstable financial and credit markets. States are reporting extreme revenue shortfalls, plummeting investment funds and other adverse conditions that will impact their functioning and citizens. Florida will not be an exception, and that is why it’s imperative to reconsider Amendment 2.
A large number of Florida’s heterosexual employees with domestic partners participate in work-related health, dental, life and disability insurance and consider these benefits extremely important. If Michigan’s marriage amendment, which has the exact same wording as Florida’s proposal, is a guide, these valued work benefits will no longer be extended to unmarried couples.
Why would we want to “turn off” productive, taxpaying couples who enrich our state economically and in other ways? Why would we want to pass a superfluous amendment that will deprive residents and those considering a move to Florida of important job features?
An exodus of working people to other states will certainly not help Florida climb out of a severe economic downturn with ramifications we are just beginning to appreciate.
Vote no on Amendment 2.
Robin Birnhak, Naples
Letter: More of the same?
Editor, Daily News:
I just finished reading Editorial Page Editor Jeff Lytle’s latest comments concerning Collier Sheriff Don Hunter’s conduct when (as usual) covering the backsides of his deputies.
One last time, I would like to tell Hunter prior to leaving office to look up the word integrity. It has been sorely missing during your reign as sheriff. You have allowed your deputies to run rampant, intimidate people, not follow the laws they are supposed to uphold, lie, cheat, etc.
They have never had to play by the proper rules and you have allowed it and covered for them over and over again.
How is Sheriff-elect Kevin Rambosk going to rule the roost, I wonder, since he has you for an example?
I would assume it will be business as usual.
Pity.
Sandra Ferencic, Naples
Letter: Big deal?
Editor, Daily News:
I never heard of Lee County Sheriff Mike Scott before.
I was at the rally for Sarah Palin last week. Scott’s exact words were, “On Nov. 4, let’s leave Barack Hussein Obama wondering what happened.”
It was a rally for Sarah Palin, for heaven sakes; what’s all the hullabaloo about? It’s his name, isn’t it?
Mary Storto, North Naples
Letter: He approves this message?
Editor, Daily News:
After watching the body language and listening to the hard-core attitude of why Lee Sheriff Mike Scott used Barack Obama’s middle name, I am glad I reside in Collier County.
I also am grateful that I am not involved with the Republican movement this year and am now an independent. Sarah Palin is being used as an attack dog and making everyone lower themselves into nasty verbal abuses of anyone who doesn’t follow her lead, instead of supporting the issues she believes would help our nation.
It is insulting that this type of Republican would think that negative, hateful attitudes and words would actually make me stop and listen!
Apparently John McCain “approves this message,” as he has begun the same kind of style. This is exactly the same kind of mud-slinging that cost him the election against President Bush.
When will our leaders understand that this style of verbalization is totally unacceptable in a public forum?! Our citizens deserve a decent campaign that voices differences without nasty brutal words along with distortions of the truth.
Let us demand a best behavior policy for all public officials!
Carol Calderon, Naples
Letter: Stop the press — and the cars
Editor, Daily News:
I would like to appeal to drivers in Naples Park.
The posted speed limit is 25 mph; however, it is not uncommon to view drivers zooming through the area as though it were a stretch of U.S. 41. Stop signs are regarded as yield signs or ignored altogether.
Many residents enjoy walking and children often ride their bicycles, and I fear that a terrible accident will occur if drivers are not careful. There are few sidewalks; therefore, drivers must share the roads with leisurely pedestrians.
Recently, while taking an evening walk with my dogs and family, a car came speeding toward us. When I motioned for the driver to slow down, he reacted by stopping the car for an altercation, screaming, “I was only doing 45.” The rest of his rant is unsuitable for print.
This experience was unsettling to my family. They were relieved that the driver chose to speed away, rather than get out of the car with his friends to do something worse.
One may assume the reckless drivers are young people. Unfortunately, that is not the case. Perhaps the presence of police officers and/or speed traps are necessary.
I ask that anyone driving through “The Park” and other neighborhoods sharing the roads with pedestrians to please slow down! It may save an innocent life. There are enough uncertainties and negative events in the world.
Please do not create another sad news story.
Rob Rodgers, Naples
Letter: Never dry
Editor, Daily News:
In a recent veterinary column, Dr. Fox responded to a reader’s question about a failed diet prescribed by three veterinarians for her overweight cat, noting that “veterinarians (and countless others) are ill-informed on basic cat nutrition.”
For this he blames the pet-food industry, which he says has “brainwashed” veterinarians.
Regarding cat nutrition, I’d like to add a caveat to all — a warning sounded in Dr. Elizabeth Hodgkins’ book “Your Cat” (cited by Fox): Never feed a cat dry food. It causes serious health problems.
I can testify to this from my experience with my cat, who’d always eaten dry food. When he became diabetic and insulin therapy failed, I searched the Internet for an answer. I found that answer on Hodgkins’ Web site, yourdiabeticcat.com, where she tells how her own diabetic cat’s resistance to insulin caused her to rethink how she was dealing with his condition.
Knowledgeable about the ingredients in commercial pet foods from her work in the pet-food industry, she suspected the high carbohydrate content of dry food. She switched her cat to canned food. Within days her cat’s glucose level was normal and remained so. She never fed him dry food again.
My story is identical to that of Hodgkins’. As Dr. Fox indicates, vets need to be educated about cat nutrition.
The Web site www.catnutrition.org is trying to do just that with “An Open Letter to Veterinarians,” which documents the problems caused by dry cat food.
Geraldine C. Fox, Naples
Letter: And now, what about us?
Editor, Daily News:
Re: Wall Street bailout.
It’s not a bailout. It’s a new form of socialism for Wall Street and the end of the free market.
But, what about Main Street? What handout did we get?
Lou Thompson, Bonita Springs
Letter: A bonus for the people
Editor, Daily News:
Economy is in crisis.
Today, middle-class Americans cannot afford the payment on their homes. Owning a home slowly becomes another privilege of the rich.
Presidential candidate Barack Obama talks about fixing the economy from the bottom up — $700 billion dollars can do much more for the crippling financial market if instead of going to big financial institutions, this money was distributed directly to the mortgage holders who are in need based on the last three years of tax returns.
In effect, the government would purchase the home of the troubled mortgage holder and collect on that payment in time. The middle-class American family that makes under $60,000 a year and holds a mortgage on its only home under $300,000 should be qualified for financial aid. The financial system would be back on track, as people continue to pay their mortgages and keep their homes.
The money would go up to the top without ending up in bonuses and golden parachutes for executives and would help the economy and, most importantly, our people who are really hurt in this time of crisis.
Julie DiBartolo, Naples
Letter: Fair to say
Editor, Daily News:
I would love to see Sen. John McCain say that this highly ornamented bailout package was a mistake and that one way to deal with it, once he is president, is to institute a two- to three-year moratorium on corporate taxes and on capital gains.
We would then see capital flowing into our country and markets. In addition, this might be the ideal time to bring some pressure to bear on getting rid of the Internal Revenue Service and bringing on the Fair Tax.
If this isn’t a good time for the Fair Tax, then there will never be one.
Zee Murray, Naples
Letter: Flagging our values
Editor, Daily News:
After last Sept. 11, there were some critical letters to the editor that there were only a few flags flying on that day. One letter writer was dismayed that flags weren’t flying at half-staff.
The tragedy of Sept. 11, 2001, happened because of a lack of security by our government. Why should we fly a flag to honor the deaths of those unfortunate victims of radical people? Will flying a flag undo what was done? Will flying a flag show the world that we honor the dead and that we are patriotic?
What does it mean to honor their memory? Does going through some rituals, giving speeches and offering prayers really honor anyone? Isn’t it more important to help the survivors of the tragedy?
Shouldn’t we be working for peace instead of going to war to avenge those who have died? Do ceremonies change anything?
Are we unpatriotic if we don’t pledge allegiance to the flag? Does God bless America? Is this one nation under God? Is “in God we trust” true?
If we answer these questions truthfully, we will have to admit that a lot of things we believe in are not rational. Americans love their rituals, outward show of patriotism and religious fervor. We mix patriotism, the flag and God into a state religion.
When we pledge allegiance to the flag, we are relinquishing individual autonomy to the state. A person who, for conscience sake, refrains from pledging allegiance isn’t necessarily less patriotic than those who pledge allegiance.
Eddie Filer, Naples Park
Letter: He’s still our man
Editor, Daily News:
Letter-writer Jack Tymann states we should pray that a bipartisan elite ”somehow” solve this recession and “save capitalism.”
Corporate America’s prayers were answered after Congress so graciously consigned the American taxpayer to bail them out.
How much worse can it get when the president demands nearly $700 billion and Congress responds by giving him $140 billion more than he wanted, ignoring public opposition.
Ron Paul and the entire Austrian School of Economics predicted this economic crisis, but, instead of talking to people who saw it coming and have solutions, our leaders chose to increase the national debt in a mad rush.
Paul is not alone. Billionaire Jim Rogers boldly stands with Paul on getting rid of the Federal Reserve and having metal-backed currency because it would constrain government power and unleash the free market.
Currency devaluation is a tax because it reduces one’s purchasing power and, cruelly, wages stagnate or decline. While no self-respecting libertarian or conservative wants tax increases, it is mere sleight of hand to protest higher taxes, yet inflate.
Politicians and the anointed experts blame the free market, but it is the casualty of Keynesianism gone mad. Decades of unsound interventions in the market — from both parties — brought this mess. Remember Richard Nixon’s 1971 admission, “We’re all Keynesians now”?
Only sound currency, sane foreign policy and truly accountable government could save America.
Join Ron Paul’s campaignforliberty.com. Vote third party or write in Ron Paul for president.
James Spounias, Naples
Letter: Now hear this?
Editor, Daily News:
It’s a black hole — the classical music side of WGCU FM, that is.
Try to tune it in!
I’m still trying, without much success. I bought a $150 high-definition radio, a $60 antenna and enough wire to fence in the yard. I got up in the attic, set up the antenna and ran the wire down the wall to the radio.
Nothing. So I enlisted the direction of my wife, who guided me through antenna placement, and finally got a signal. Sometimes. She said some bad words.
This plainly called for serious action. I called WGCU. I was put into “voice mail.” I called the engineering department to ask if the signal were somehow weaker than the usually inane “talk” band of WGCU that comes in all too loudly.
I e-mailed six times. No answer. I finally got a nice lady who said, “I’ll get back to you.” She never did.
I went down to a shop in North Naples that specializes in such things as FM antennas. They said they would not sell me one because “everybody brings them back. WGCU just doesn’t come in on them and people are angry. We will no longer sell HD radios.” They said I was one of dozens of angry “public media” listeners.
Well, I’ve given up. I can’t even get a consistent signal on my broadband computer setup, although I get fine signals from KNAU in Flagstaff, Ariz., and WUSF, up in Sarasota-Tampa.
I remain loyal to the concept of public radio, though. I’m sending my fall membership check to WUSF in Sarasota, with thanks to people who provide a good signal and even answer my questions!
Laurence Roderick, Naples
Letter: Let’s get moving
Editor, Daily News:
On Nov. 4 we elect a new president.
Considering the state of the economy and the fact President Bush is much more than just a lame duck, we should move the inauguration to Nov. 7.
The winners could still have all their parties on Jan. 20, but the sooner we close the page on this administration the better.
Art Herman, Bonita Springs















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Sandra Ferencic you are correct in saying that Don Hunter does not know the word integrity. I hate to tell you but with Rambosk it will remain the same & actually probably get worse.
#1 Posted by Toesmom on October 12, 2008 at 8:08 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sherrif Scott has every right to his political opinion... just not while wearing a public uniform making a public speech. Why is that so hard for some to understand? I guess if you look at the ones failing to understand this concept the answer is quite simple. Common sense or decency cannot be judged by status quo. Thats abundantly clear when reading some of the absurd comments on this very subject.
#2 Posted by BobbyD on October 12, 2008 at 8:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Art Herman -
What a good idea. Have the inauguration on Nov. 7. The sooner we get Bush out of the White House the better.
#3 Posted by rationalman on October 12, 2008 at 8:31 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Lawrence Roderick -
Google "iTunes" and you can find sources of classical music from all over the world. I've heard music from Washington D.C., Minnesota, Wyoming, Boston, San Francisco, etc. It's not as handy as having a good radio, but I listen to classical music while I'm on the computer, reading, etc. I wish there was a place we could find classical music on FM in this area, but I guess we are backward in SW Florida.
#4 Posted by rationalman on October 12, 2008 at 8:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
eddie- it's the pledge to the flag. get over it. it's a tradition of OUR country. say it or go somewhere else. my GOD, no wonder out country is in shambles
#5 Posted by Naples_Girl on October 12, 2008 at 10:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Apparently Palin sees no contradiction between her inflammatory tactics and her self-promoted piousness.
#6 Posted by dooley on October 12, 2008 at 10:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
10 more intelligent letters dedicated to the brouhaha created by Sheriff Scott. Exactly what will it take to make these people understand...If it were OK to stump for candidates while in uniform, on the clock, should be doing your job, my views are not necessarily shared by my employer (the taxpayers)etc. etc. you would have every cop, firefighter, and government employee standing behind Scott waiting their turn to express their opinion. But most people in these professions know the boundary lines...you simply cannot campaign in uniform.
The problem is not using Barack Hussein Obama's middle name. The problem is how the name was used. Two republicans pulled the same trick on the same day and were admonished by the McCain Camp.
McCain and Palin are inciting hatred in their remarks and dragging their whold party down...not everyone is buying it.
#7 Posted by fedupwithu on October 12, 2008 at 10:11 p.m. (Suggest removal)
To those worried that the bailout has initiated 'socialism' in this country: I submit we have been there right along -- you just haven't noticed.
Decades of increasingly fuzzed lines of authority and responsibility between regulators and the regulated, government scratching the back of business, business scratching that of government, cozy deals between lenders and the government ("don't worry about bad loans, we'll just buy them from you,") Members of Congress financially enriched by Fannie and Freddie -- entities it created and oversees, and an ethanol industry based on a false premise but wildly supported by both the bureaucracy and those who benefit from it all clearly make my point.
The bailout doesn't signify the beginning of socialism -- it's simply the coming out party. Wake up!
#8 Posted by bsdetector on October 13, 2008 at 3:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
RE: "Goats" Trying to tie in the GOP/Bush "excuse" for the current financial dilemma on the Democrats is as futile as the Cubs' debacle. The futility of such endeavors will unfortunately continue for the forseeable future. They say you can make energy from garbage. The Republicans seem to have been doing their "patriotic duty" in that respect. Hail to the "Achievers"!
#9 Posted by Elephanttamer on October 13, 2008 at 4:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
bs, you are correct. It's the extremes of capitalism and socialism in the last eight years that has our country in such bad shape. This may be the first time that both has been employed by the same political party. We must get back to a balance, Clinton did it, maybe Obama can also. It's clear to me McCain/Palin can or would not.
#10 Posted by bossman1 on October 13, 2008 at 5:38 a.m. (Suggest removal)
James, We don't need to 'save capitalism' we need to temper it.
It is/was the ideolgy of the 'Austrian school of economic's' that brought us this trouble. Unbridled capitalism and free market, trickle down voodoo economic's didn't work 250 years ago with 'Bastist' nor has it worked with Reagan/Bush/Bush jr, and it never will.
Although I also like many of Ron Pauls idea's, he to is far to extreme.
#11 Posted by bossman1 on October 13, 2008 at 5:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Art, The Demo's had a chance to impeach Bush jr and took it off the table two years ago. Our country may not be in this 'big' a mess if they at least tried. Now we will have to wait and hope it's not too late.
#12 Posted by bossman1 on October 13, 2008 at 6:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Eddie, Thanks for writing what a lot of people believe and are afraid of saying. You are the true form of a patriot and very brave.
I do disagree with you about the cause of 9/11/08. When this administration ignored the Middle East conflict in January of 2001 and also started to prepare for the invasion of Iraq at the same time the 9/11 attack or something like it was 'written in stone'.
You are correct that Bush jr and his incompetent appointee's and staff also ignored all warnings and went on a month long vacation with him.
There is a good reason we are not waving our nartional flags and reciting the 'pledge of alegience' as much as we did in the past. We are not as proud of our country as before and should not be.
#13 Posted by bossman1 on October 13, 2008 at 6:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Bush and the neocons push for Marxist control of the worlds financial system is gaining steam. Such an irony that those voted in with promises of less government, no nation building, and protection of privacy have gone in the exact opposite direction. Who would have ever thought the republican party would advocate and legislate Marxist philosophy?
Time for change.
Time for American ideals to prevail.
IT'S OBAMA TIME!!!!!!!!!!
#14 Posted by boulderbilly on October 13, 2008 at 9:08 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Eddie...I too thank you for what is a heart-felt and true letter.
After 9/11 everyone wanted a flag, to show their support of our country. I admit that I needed one also.
When I tried to buy one, I found that every American flag for sale, was " Made in China".
Buying a China-made flag was not going to help my country.
#15 Posted by eaglebeak on October 13, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The republicans have not only captured the title of "the party of failure" but are reaching for a new plateau, "the party of hate." Palin and mini me's attempt to stoke the racial fires will backfire big time. The party of the past needs to accept the fact that segregation and the abortion issue have been settled by those in society more advanced.
The fifties are over. Time for the neocons to grow up. They'll have plenty of idle time to mull it over in the near future since there will be no jobs. They didn't quite trickle down..
LOL.
#16 Posted by boulderbilly on October 13, 2008 at 9:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Renate Kelly, we'll just be calling him Hussein for the rest of his life.
#17 Posted by GoneFishin on October 13, 2008 at 10:05 a.m. (Suggest removal)
boss, showing the true colors of idiocy all over again.
#18 Posted by GoneFishin on October 13, 2008 at 10:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Eddie Filer, once again, in true liberal form, more questions than answers.
#19 Posted by GoneFishin on October 13, 2008 at 10:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
further to my post yesterday...Associated Press on October 11/08 reports that Sarah Palin has charged the Alaskan taxpayer over $13,000 since late 2006 (when she assumed office) to attend at least 10 meetings with religious leaders and other religious events......
even in her home town of Wasilla she charged the taxpayer $639.50 for plane tickets AND PER DIEM FEES to attend a meeting of the Assembly of God church (her own church) where she spoke from the pulpit to young missionaries vowing to do her part to implement God's will from the governors's office
and the right says this is "presidential material"
#20 Posted by Canuck on October 13, 2008 at 10:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, wow, a whole $13,000! You must be embarrassed reaching for such straws when Hussein is guilty of a bone headed house deal from a fraud.
Hussein, good for Canadians, not good for America.
#21 Posted by GoneFishin on October 13, 2008 at 10:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Now Hussein is going to unveil a "middle class economic rescue plan". This should be funny. Buy your vote for $1000.
"I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
Hussein: Punitive Wealth Redistribution
#22 Posted by GoneFishin on October 13, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Now Hussein is going to unveil a "middle class economic rescue plan". This should be funny. Buy your vote for $1000.
Hussein: "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
Hussein: Punitive Wealth Redistribution
#23 Posted by GoneFishin on October 13, 2008 at 10:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
boulderbill (what a stupid handle) and others of his ilk never cease to amaze me with their stupidity and ignorance. I hope "Yomama" does get elected, hell after four years of socialism maybe the pendelum will swing the other way, if not after 50 years we'll go the way of Russia, China, Eastern Europe and others who tried the great experienment of socialism and failed.
#24 Posted by scout777 on October 13, 2008 at 10:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gonesenile,
You are becoming a tad redundant.
#25 Posted by boulderbilly on October 13, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
boulder, are you still LOL or howling about Hussein?
Talk about redundant. At least I'm pointing out truths whereas you just howl like a moonbat.
Besides, I like today's thought:
Hussein, good for Canada, not good for America.
#26 Posted by GoneFishin on October 13, 2008 at 11:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Charles Krauthammer:
"[Obama's] character remains highly suspect. There is a difference between temperament and character. Equanimity is a virtue. Tolerance of the obscene is not."
Maybe if you read this, you'll be better able to understand why it matters that Hussein would associate with Rezko, Ayers, Wright, etc.
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/...
#27 Posted by GoneFishin on October 13, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
so Gonefishin thinks fraud is ok as long as you do not get too much money!!!!!!
so lets see....we can abuse the power of office to settle a family dispute and we can defraud the taxpayer....and Gonefishin agrees with Bricklin75 that she is good presidential material
#28 Posted by Canuck on October 13, 2008 at 11:14 a.m. (Suggest removal)
After many, many, many, months of arguing, have you got closer to agreeing on politics?
Didn't think so.
#29 Posted by eaglebeak on October 13, 2008 at 11:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, it's more like I don't care what you have to say when you think Hussein is OK for his position on late-term abortion, making a bone-headed deal with Rezko, working with a communist bomb thrower, giving money to ACORN, getting money from undisclosed sources, etc.
Palin was the right choice because she's got all of you moonbats talking about her. Everyone is comparing her to Obama, not Biden (that's because she's just as competent as Obama.)
Hussein: "I think when you spread the wealth around, it's good for everybody."
Hussein: Punitive Wealth Redistribution
#30 Posted by GoneFishin on October 13, 2008 at 11:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I think most people in this country are afraid to say anything about pledging allegiance to the flag. No one wants to be called unpatriotic.
There are historical facts that a lot of people don't understand. The pledge of allegiance to the flag was instituted in the 1890's. For over a hundred years people in this country never heard of such a thing. Between the 1890's and the 1940's school children could be expelled for having religious reasons for not saluting the flag. In 1943, the Supreme Court ruled that no one should be forced to salute the flag. Some people have felt that pledging allegiance to the flag is against their worship of God. They believe that only God and Jesus Christ should be pledged to. Some Christians believe that pledging allegiance is idol worship.
Some non-believers also have reservations about subscribing our lives to the state. Some of us want to keep religion and the state seperate. When we mix religion and the state, we are really doing something unconstitutional. We are not much different from pagan Rome. People were required to give their all to the state.
I don't feel necessarily brave, but I think people are like sheep that do everything they are told to do, and if they don't they are considered unpatriotic. We should have the freedom to live the way our conscience dictates, unless we are hurting other people. If we have freedom of religion and freedom from religion, we can't say that the state is our god and that life comes from the state.
Most school children don't even know what they are doing when they pledge allegiance to the flag. They say it by rote and it is a ritual.
Flying a flag in front of your house isn't going to make you any more patriotic than anyone else. There is a saying that "scoundrals wrap themselves in the flag". We should respect the flag. We can pledge allegiance to it and salute it, but we could stab the country in the back at the same time. Look at all the heads of our monetary institutions and heads of CEOs who have been indicted for fraud. They probably have pledged allegiance. Rituals don't make people good people.
#31 Posted by rationalman on October 13, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck,
I see why you are injecting your beliefs into our country where you don't live. Your political system is a mess and I guess it's easier to criticize ours than change yours.
Why don't you use the energy you use here to do something about Canada's mess?
Always with the last word I'm sure. You must be on permanent PMS.
http://www.slate.com/id/2199929/
#32 Posted by Ed_Foster on October 13, 2008 at 11:45 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Eagle,There is a great U.S Flagmaker in Penna. Their employees are all American, they hire no illegals. They were working 24/7 after 9/11 but lately they have laid people off.
BTW, I'm not talking about Betsy Ross.
#33 Posted by bossman1 on October 13, 2008 at 11:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I haven't heard Obama complain about his middle name at all, and why would he change it. Does the name your parents give you discribe who you are? No, I don't believe it does.
How about a name you give yourself? How about a nick name given to you by people who really know you including your friends? [we all know McCain has millions of friends as we watch him address his choir].
In school John McCain's nick name was 'punk'. So shouldn't he be introduced or referred to as John 'Punk' McCain?
#34 Posted by bossman1 on October 13, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Julie DiBartolo, Naples
Your post makes no sense because you don't know what the term "Mortgage Holder" is.
Try mortgagor & mortgagee. Will that make it easier for you?
#35 Posted by Bricklin75 on October 13, 2008 at 12:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ed_Foster...last you poked your nose into this forum you wanted nothing to do with me...what happened????...my posts are exposing the underbelly of the right wing and that got to you???
and if you knew anything about my country you definately would not produce that biased web site........ especially throwing stones at someone else with the problems in your country!!!
but as you know nothing it would be fruitless to even try to explain to you that our current Prime Minister is a right wing evangelical Christian.....and a very close friend of Bush
says enough about what little trouble we may have!!...
and minority goverments are not bad because they have to govern to the people's will and not to politics because they can be easily defeated by the opposition majority
and who had the strongest economy and banking industry of the group of 7 meetings in Washington this past weekend!!!!
three guesses.....???
we are doing quite well thank you!!!
so go back to your golf course with your buddies and keep on taking those mulligans!!!!!
#36 Posted by Canuck on October 13, 2008 at 12:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Bossman, thanks. I think Punk used for McCain is pretty descriptive, and I can see why he got the name.
So, Gonefishin, you can idolize your Punk. I will stick with Obama.
As for Sheriff Scott. He knew when he used the name Hussein, it was inflammatory. It made Obama seem connected with Muslims, Saddam, and terrorism. And, Scott riled up the people in the crowd, so much so, they cried traitor, kill him etc. Not good for a supposed keeper of the peace in uniform.
But it seems that's the kind of leadership that the Right Wingers want. That's the kind that was used in Fascism.
The Neo Cons are about power of big corporations and government being in cahoots. Thus, big corporations collude with govenment for their benefit. Also, it seems they condone these incendiary statements that arouse people to violence. Reminds us of what the Nazis did.
Is that what we want here? Do we want those hateful people running our government? If we do, no citizen is really safe. All power will be drained from the people.
Eddie Filer, rationalman, your letter made some good points. And, as always you put forth your opinion with kind and good intentions.
Gonefishin, you need a lesson in civility. You have none, so you turn people off before you make your point. That's not the way you sway people to your point of view. However if you don't care, then you're on the right track.
#37 Posted by truthmatters on October 13, 2008 at 1:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The market has rallied today. Let's hope it's for real. Let's hope all those savings and 401 K's are going to come back.
Now, if the government would just learn a lesson from this. We need a deep study of what occurred and implement those things necessary to prevent its happening again.
What we really need is jobs. We need money in the hands of the people so they have buying power again.
We need industry here, and as Obama said, the first priority is our own energy. We have so much we can do in that area in so many avenues. Everything from wind, solar, biodegradable, clean coal, nuclear and oil. And as Obama said, that would create millions of jobs.
I think we should faze out oil as much as possible because it is finite. We can make it stretch by using more of the other means.
Putting our best minds to how to dispose of nuclear waste would reduce one of its problems.
This could be a huge new industry and create many, many jobs while reducing the cost of power to our citizens and keep the money we spend on energy here.
The Middle East would have to put their minds to others sources of income also.
And, we must end our wars. They should be close to obsolete by now. This is the 21st century. War avails no one, and we have to promote that. Individual terrorists have to be shown as pariahs whereever they go. And we must remember, individual spots of terrorists do not necessitate our invading countries.
#38 Posted by truthmatters on October 13, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Just watching the affect of mini me and PRESIDENT OBAMA says it all.
One is under control, decisive, and a unifier.
The other is bitter, divisive, and extremely erratic.
Both the US citizens and the world deserve a break from the neocons failed experiment. They should rest well along the Whig Party as another bogus political movement. Say bye bye in November.
#39 Posted by boulderbilly on October 13, 2008 at 1:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Also, we must see the Neo Cons for who they are. They are not Republicans; they are hybrids of something else. They are both Socialistic and Capitalistic, whichever one suits their goals.
We have the largest government in our history. We have the most intrusive government, and much of that came under the Neo Cons of the Bush administration.
They are imperialists and One Worlders. The reason the 9/11 attack worked is because the administration was curiously not vigilant. It's easy to look the other way when something works to one's benefit. In the case of 9/11, it opened the door to the Bush administration seizing more power and commensing its pre-planned incursion into the Middle East.
This group has to be thrown out of office. Many Republicans like I have risen in opposition. Jim Leach is the latest.
#40 Posted by truthmatters on October 13, 2008 at 1:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Doesn't take much to get you riled. I would love to play golf, it's just hard to do with one arm and half a leg missing from the war. Maybe I can get blessed by Obama and be healed.
#41 Posted by Ed_Foster on October 13, 2008 at 1:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Are Republicans panicking? My, my, isn't it "cheaters' proof" that is causing all the consternation? It will be a bitter pill and justice personified when the senile McCain and "moonbat" Palin fade into the abyss of GOP fiefdom.
#42 Posted by Elephanttamer on October 13, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, I read Patsprincess's blog #152 on yesterday's blogs, and she's talking about Revelations and the Anti Christ.
Seems, people have been doing that for thousands of years now, predicting the end of the world and the Anti Crist, and they've been consistently wrong, but they keep trying.
Anyway, Patsprincess, if your talking about the sign of the AntiChrist being someone who advocates the New World Order, the world bank etc. That's all Bush. None of that is Obama.
Also, Patsp, writes that everything seems to be going okay and then bam. Well, that's what Bush has given us. We're getting the bam. Now let's see if today foretells the end of the fall.
Anyway, once I read some of this by Patsprincess I know what fantasy she's coming from, and heaven help us from her kind. And there are others out there who are just as nutty and voting for McCain because of their special interpretation of Revelation or the Bible. I guess being wrong a thousand times makes no impact on them. They just keep thinking, "yeah, but this time I'm right." So much for intelligent voting.
#43 Posted by truthmatters on October 13, 2008 at 3:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Also, FYI, the Annenbergs of the Annenberg challenge that sponsored that board on education that both Obama and Ayers were on, they're voting for McCain. But, wait, they had Ayers on their board. Doesn't that make them supporters of terrorism? Also, what about those other Republicans on the board? Do they believe in terrorism? I mean serving on a board with Ayers, the terrorist?
I'd have to say, Ayers was not a terrorist, but someone who was fighting our leadership, Lyndon Johnson, who put us into a war, Viet Nam, based on his big lie. Someone who put a muzzle on the crew of the U.S.S. Liberty which was shot on for no reason by the Israelis. Many of our crew were killed, even though they signalled over and over they were a U.S. ship. But LBJ put a gag order on them and threatened them if they told.
Ayers and others were fighting against a horrendous unnecessary war and Lyndon Johnson who was a terrible leader who instigated it.
And so, what about the terrorism that our leaders did to our soldiers and Viet Nam, bombing and killing people for no reason except Johnson didn't like Communism, even though it posed no threat to us or anyone? Viet Nam had been one country. North Korea wanted to unify it. That was the goal, no domino affect, no threat to anyone outside of Viet Nam.
It's somewhat courageous to fight against your own government when it is involved in terrorism and killing your own people, and when your Congress will put no restraints on the Executive. No leader should be able to get by with that. That's why Ayers today finds a lot of sympathizers who don't see him as any kind of terrorist.
However, Obama didn't know him then, he was but a child, and Obama had no reason to suspect this of a university professor, and he didn't find out about Ayers' past until later.
Now make a big deal out of that. Right Wingers, your grasping is very obvious and getting you nowhere.
#44 Posted by truthmatters on October 13, 2008 at 3:30 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It seems that truthdoesntmattertoher agrees with Ayers. She also seems to call for the not so peaceful overthrow of our government. Another example of Obama supporter patriotism.
#45 Posted by DinNaples on October 13, 2008 at 3:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
so what is it Ed_Foster????
do you play golf as you said last Thursday and if so what is the objective of your comment today??
"That said, Canuck, I couldn't care what you think. I have a lot of canadian friends. I play golf with two of them at least a couple times a month."
Ed_Foster Oct 9/08 6:22 pm
"Doesn't take much to get you riled. I would love to play golf, it's just hard to do with one arm and half a leg missing from the war"
Ed_Foster #41 Oct 13/08
#46 Posted by Canuck on October 13, 2008 at 3:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
DinNaples, obviously you missed my blog that said I don't condone law breaking or violence. My point is that many in our past have used rebellion for very good reasons; our founding fathers to name one.
My lament is that we shouldn't have to use violence to stop our government from its own terrorism against our people.
DinNaples, it also seems you think when people rose up against Saddam with bombings and violence, that was all right. So, my point was, that one man's terrorist is another man's freedom fighter.
Also, Obama does not condone terrorism and has denounced what Ayers did. However, it seems that Ayers was not jailed and has been accepted back into society as a university professor. He was hardly a terrorist when Obama worked on that education board with him, that I pointed out had Republicans on the board too.
So, look to yourself, for if you supported the Viet Nam war, you supported terrorism. I could say, since we invaded Iraq on lies that "Shock and Awe" was a horrible example of terrorism.
I think you should have and take issue with the Bush Adminstration for their unnecessary terrorism in invading a country that did nothing to us, had no WMD's, no al Qaeda and was no threat to us.
So, it's not that you're against terrorism. You just want to be the terrorist.
#47 Posted by truthmatters on October 13, 2008 at 4:38 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Protesting a war, or any other thing for that matter, by peaceful means is one thing, but when the protester resorts to violence then the protesting becomes a criminal activity. In the military we call it terrorism, and have called it by such long before 9/11 happened.
I also call it cowardice.
#48 Posted by Illiar on October 13, 2008 at 4:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In the news yesterday was an article about Afghanistan and its downward spiral into violence and chaos. Bush Administration officials say privately that Afghanistan is the single most pressing security threat in the fight against terrorism.
So, now what are we going to do? Afghanistan before our invasion was not a threat, but we thought they harbored bin Laden. Instead of working with them, we invaded them, toppled their government, which, by the way, I didn't like, but it threw us into a mess. We didn't take any heed of history.
But Afghanistan wouldn't have been so bad, and maybe we would have been successful, but Bush had to instead invade Iraq too. Dumb, really dumb. And it's been bad for us ever since. If one doesn't look at the deaths, destruction, Iraqis displaced and all the suffering, then one can look at the monetary cost to us. With all the present costs and the out costs the war will cost us up as of now close to 3 trillion dollars. That's trillion. What a fiasco.
And McCain was all for it. That alone shows me, the man is too ignorant to run the country. Bush and his crew and Mccain are birds of a feather, and they've just about pecked us to death. We need change, and Obama is it. What a great breath of fresh air to take a new and intelligent course.
#49 Posted by truthmatters on October 13, 2008 at 4:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#48 If your accusations were true it would be duly justified after the GOP vote fraud "accomplishments" in 2000 & 2004. It's about time that the other side employed the same tactics of the "ACHIEVERS"!
#50 Posted by Elephanttamer on October 13, 2008 at 4:55 p.m. (Suggest removal)
truthmatters
why was Ayers not jailed???
#51 Posted by Bricklin75 on October 13, 2008 at 4:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Illiar, #52, did you read my post #51. If you did, then why would you think I condone unlawful violence? Read it again, and this time try to understand what I said.
#52 Posted by truthmatters on October 13, 2008 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)
TM, what a twisted mind you have. You equate radicals, terrorists, the US Army and Government as the same but you still approve of Ayers. Your statement "I'd have to say, Ayers was not a terrorist, but someone who was fighting our leadership". I just do not know what to say. I had better just keep my thoughts to myself.
#53 Posted by DinNaples on October 13, 2008 at 5:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The desperate LIAR McCain is reaching for the moon in an attempt to stir the radical element of his party to "action". The "puppet queen" Palin is still spewing RNC prepared rhetoric in an attempt to give the impression she knows what she is talking about. What a LARK! The two constitute the most abyssmal duo the GOP has "lavished" upon the electorate in their history! That is going to some lengths with NIXON in their legacy.
#54 Posted by Elephanttamer on October 13, 2008 at 5:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I stand by the term cowardice. A freedom fighter to me means someone who is fighting an oppressive government or some other political entity, and normally their targets are tactical in nature. And also the freedom fighter's opponent is one that is capable and prepared to fight back.
A terrorist can have a political agenda, but the key word here is "terror", and they often target the weak and helpless in order to inspire terror.
#55 Posted by Illiar on October 13, 2008 at 5:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Barry's plan to redistribute wealth is all part of the bigger plan. Do some of the names in the attached link look familiar? This is his agenda.
http://www.discoverthenetworks.org/gr...
#56 Posted by skyhook1fl on October 13, 2008 at 5:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You can insult me all you want. I have taken a lot more. I will explain to you one time. A couple time a month a group of us play what is called captain's choice. It;s a form of golf where you play the best ball. I go along and can chip and putt with artifical assistance. Not the best playing but gets me out of house for some sort of social life.
You wouldn't understand because you are caught up in your own perfect world and feel you need to live your pittiful life in this forum insulting eveyone that doesn't prescibe to you beliefs. Don't know why I have to explain this to you anyway.
Put your brain in gear before you post. Don't jump to conclusions without thought.
Semper Fi!
#57 Posted by Ed_Foster on October 13, 2008 at 5:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
These days,I get that dreadful sinking feeling whenever I even think of Palin. Such a cheap way to sensationalize a Convention, such a sad aftermath. Patriot McCain deserves better!
#58 Posted by dooley on October 13, 2008 at 5:46 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I like combat golf!
#59 Posted by Illiar on October 13, 2008 at 5:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I've never read anything that truthmatters has written that she condones unlawful violence or terrorism. I can't understand why some people feel it necessary to twist what someone else says. Some of you bloggers are just too much. Some of you make mountains out of molehills.
#60 Posted by rationalman on October 13, 2008 at 8:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Here we go again. I do not condone unlawful violent acts, and that also includes those by our government.
It is hardly the fault of our good soldiers that they are sent to war by leaders who abuse their power. Our soldiers always do their valiant best.
However, it is the abuse of leadership's power to cause so many American soldier's death in a war like Viet Nam that we must not allow.
There was a nation of people who ultimately protested against that war, so much so Nixon won the presidency on getting our troops out of there.
Now I'm asking for an objective way of looking at what Ayers did, and reminding everyone that he must have known full well if he were caught he could be prosecuted and sent to jail for life or possibly even executed. He believed so much that our soldiers were dying that shouldn't be dying, and soldiers were coming home maimed so badly that he threw aside his own well being. So, he was ready to sacrifice his life to stop the killing of others. Now you can call that terrorism if you like. To me unlawful war is terrorism, only it kills a lot more people and does a lot more damage.
So, let's not get all righteous about your loving and believing in your form of terrorism, but decrying another's.
I think all terrorism is bad. And that's why we have a Constitution that is supposed to have checks and balances so we don't have a run away executive who does what it pleases.
What I see is a break down of our system of checks and balances and a CIA too much under the control of the Executive. It happened with Viet Nam and it happened again with Iraq.
I was asked why Ayers was jailed. It was on some kind of technicality that his case was dismissed.
However, after the war was over, I don't think people looked at the protesters with much recrimination and disdain. The whole thing left too bad a taste in our country's mouth.
Now remember, Obama was 8 years old at the time. He was not connected to that era. He only met Ayers as he is today. Ayers' past was and seems to be now no longer an issue to many, many people.
At any rate, who Ayers was and is has no bearing on Obama. They are not close friends, and only had brief and casual relationships.
Now, can we get back to the pertinent issues? Or don't you have anything to say about those?
#61 Posted by truthmatters on October 13, 2008 at 8:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Those who vote for Obama are in lala land. He is the biggest example of socialism that we have seen in many, many years. McCain is not Bush. McCain and Palin are not creating hate. If you can't handle the TRUTH about who Obama is, that's your problem but don't blame them for it. Most of what you're hearing stated about him is true. He spent years working with Ayres and he knew exactly who he was. He spent 20 years in Rev Wright's church who is on video stating his hate for white Americans. You can't deny a video tape and again, Obama knew exactly who he was. If you claim he is that stupid that he doesn't know who he associates with then that proves very poor judgement and shouldn't be making national decisions. You can't grow an economy from the bottom up - that's not possible. Only jobs will get this economy going and putting heavy burdens on small businesses and corporations will kill jobs. He has given $800,000 to ACORN, through his campaign, who is under FBI investigation for voter fraud (FACT). He received money from terrorist Ayres, who hides behind education to poison the minds of our youth. The money Obama received for "so called education" programs didn't go into the school system at all. It was used to fund the socialist, radical organizations. Why don't some of you stop reading tabloids and start paying attention to the NEWS. Start reading articles that are non-partisan and open your eyes. We can't afford more ignorance in this country.
#62 Posted by tcamp on October 14, 2008 at 12:24 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I dont know if this info is already in here, and I'm not going to read it all to find out, but Mike Scott was well within his rights to attend the function in uniform according to the Hatch Act as he is not a federal employee:
Covered state and local employees MAY-
1.run for public office in nonpartisan elections
2.campaign for and hold office in political clubs and organizations
3.actively campaign for candidates for public office in partisan and nonpartisan elections
4.contribute money to political organizations and attend political fundraising functions
http://www.osc.gov/ha_state.htm
#63 Posted by floridagirl on October 14, 2008 at 12:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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