Where are the Dems? If anyone needs a rally it is Joe Biden. I haven't seem him since he said Hillary was more qualified to be VP.
I know he rides Amtrak. The billons we have spent making it the cutting edge of efficient government transportation makes it a very good possibility that it de-railed. This could account for his disappearance. But he has to do better than send the media a telegraph about paying higher taxes being patriotic.

Will your vote be part of the solution or the problem?

Bailouts, with other peoples money and credit, are unfair, selfish, dumb, and stupid.

Voters for either "old party" president or congress nominee,
choose the status quo of government over-regulation and over-spending,
which leave unintended consequences to young people and future generations.

A better CHOICE would be to restore personal freedom
by reducing government regulations and spending.

Bob BARR is the only candidate offering the combination of a crackdown on excessive government spending along with concern for civil liberties.

http://BobBarr2008.com

http://bobbarr.meetup.com/65

I just can't understand how anyone in their right mind could think that Sarah Palin is qualified to be Vice President, much less President.

I can understand why people like her, I really do, but just because she is "like you" doesn't make her any more qualified to be President than YOU are!!

Let's face it, folks, she doesn't have the education or the training to be tackling the type of job she is seeking here... she has a hard enough time speaking proper English if she's left on her own without the teleprompter. John McCain made a very reckless decision in picking her. He didn't pick her because of her qualifications... any reasonable person can see that.

And don't give me the big line that she has so much experience as governor of Alaska, because she doesn't. She just flat-out doesn't.

She is in the middle of a big scandal in her home state, a BI-PARTISAN ethics investigation. Doesn't that bother anyone? If she doesn't have anything to hide, why is she calling for an end to the investigation she welcomed just a month ago?

Do a GOOGLE search for 'Charlie Huggins Alaska State Senator'. This REPUBLICAN senator voted to subpoena Todd Palin. He is a Florida native, retired Army Colonel, Viet Nam War hero, has a Master's degree, and he belongs to Sarah's church. He is a better Republican that Sarah is, yet he voted for the subpoenas. That should tell you something about Sarah's character!!!

I realize that MANY Republicans will vote Republican even if their candidate if unqualified and dishonest. That's pretty scary and VERY irresponsible to be so blindly loyal to a political party that it puts the country in danger. I sure don't think it's very patriotic.

In fact I KNOW it isn't patriotic.

Reducing regulations is a key cause of the lending institution meltdown. The repeal of much of the securities and trading regulations that were instituted and in place resulting from lessons learned from the Depression were a key factor. The other factor was the irresponsible business decisions to make poor lending decisions. With the promise of government bail-outs there will be incentive to do more bad business with the losses to be paid for by us taxpayers.

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Why would a woman vote for an old man and a woman who wants to take away the right to govern your own body?

Why would any woman vote for men like McCain and Mack who screwed around on their wives and left them for another woman?

Why would anybody vote for a person who speaks in tongues and wants creationism taught in science classes?

Well McCain has that "Howdy Doody" smile, how could any woman resist that? And Palin has those strong convincing speeches her husband makes, can he talk?

Why would anyone vote for Obama who has 143 days in the senate???? American Idol, maybe, president no!!!! If you want socialism, move to Cuba where everyone is poor. Obviously you and your family aren't professionals or have money. If you did you wouldn't want your hard earned dollars going to people who don't work or pay taxes. If you don't pay taxes you shouldn't be able to vote!!!

With all the hype surrounding this woman, I'm a little surprised at the low turnout.

Women do not advance simply by electing a female. Many female politicians are mothers and wives. And "real". Is Palin so unusual? Only in her shortcomings. Part of the advancement of women is having their opinions be heard. Oldtimer, you may not agree, but "shushing" those women who feel strongly about something that may affect their future is an attempt at setback. To suggest not supporting Palin is a setback in the advancement of women (read: sexist) is a sexist statement.

Funny how all of a sudden sexism is a cause celebre in the right wing camps. The absence of Carly Fiorina due to comments she made isn't seen as a sexist move on the part of the GOP. Neither should any person's, male or female, statements regarding Sarah Palin's sad state of unpreparedness. We are facing a lot of problems in the US, and while she may be a self described "pit bull", this isn't a youth hockey game, PTA meeting, city council meeting, or even the Alaskan state house. I'm sure she's done a fine job in those aspects (though she has plenty of Alaskan critics), however, that history coupled with the endless talking points I'm so sick of does not in any way convince me that I should vote for John McCain.

And call it sexist, but I have a tiny baby...I feel sad that her personal ambition trumps her 5 month old's needs. He does need his mama, and this goes way beyond her having a career. That's not the kind of mother I am.

Wow furball, I have no income because I have elected to stay home with my children while they are school aged. I don't "pay taxes" by your definition. I am, however, still a citizen.

Should I not get to vote? Do you mean if you aren't directly affected by the issue you shouldn't get to vote? Because that opens up a pandora's box with regard to lots of other issues.

Do you not think bailing out airlines, banks, and now insurance companies isn't socialism? Do you think healthcare isn't socialized now? How much of your premium, copay, deductible, uncovered items goes to pay for those who don't pay their medical bills?

I respect your opinion, but John McCain has been in the senate for a quarter of a century, and during that time enjoyed either a Republican president (for all but eight years) or a Republican majority in Congress. Quite frankly, he is part of the problem.

I think all felons should vote,
the seem to make really good choices in life???

jow can dems and aclu sleep at night?

how

Can always rely on 'oldtimer' to bring an out-of-touch and delusional perspective to the news.

Oldtimer - you do NOT speak for women, how DARE you, McCain, or Palin define what women want, and what choices women should be allowed to have. Don't the three of you DARE tell women that they should not have control over their own decisions, sccept less pay for being female, or decide what should be taught to our children. If I want my children to learn creationism in Science class, I'll take them to Church.

YOU, OLDTIMER, SHOULD BE ASHAMED OF YOUR 1800'S ATTITUDE.

YOU, oldtimer, are neither intelligent, thoughtful, careful, tolerant, or modern.

And frankly, YOU are embarassing.

You live up to your screen name - and you are a

Duh_novan - Felons CAN vote in all but three States in the US.... Duh.

Post #15 should say at the end..

"you are an embarassment."

Oldtimer - Sarah Palin is a "real woman"? So anyone who isn't a mother, career woman, NRA member and evangelical isn't a "real woman"? I disagree with everything that she stands for so that makes me less a woman in your definition. Good to know.

Please keep posting, it's comments like that that reaffirm my feelings about the direction of the Republican party.

Fear
Thank you for imforming me and scaring me more.

Now you can be a foreign policy expert too, just like Sarah Palin...
http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

The liberal have-not woman seem a little envious dont they?No man,No job,No god,No values,No nothing, stand for nothing liberal woman on this Palin bashing.Well that's what you have in common with Obama-liberalism will be the end of America as we know it--there is no official language anymore in this country-good job libs!

Sarah Palin said as vice president in a McCain administration she would be the Energy Czar for the United States. She claims her strong point is energy policy. But how can that be when she hasn't got the facts about energy in the United States correct?

Sarah Palin has claimed repeatedly that Alaska provides 20% of the United States' energy. The fact is Alaska provides about 7.5%.

While she also falsely claims to have said "thanks, but no thanks, to that bridge to nowhere," her husband Todd has truly said thanks, but no thanks, to a subpoena.

I wonder what would happen to you and me if we were to just simply blow-off a subpoena.

Sarah Palin is now refusing to co-operate with an investigation and told 12 of her aides to also stop answering investigator’s questions on “trooper-gate.” This comes after she told Alaskans to hold her accountable and promised to co-operate with the invesigation.

A “reformer” Sarah Palin is NOT.

Sarah Palin opposes rape in all cases (except to save the mother's life) and she supports making it illegal, even in the case of a 13 year old getting raped and pregnant by the rapist!

If rape is illegal in the United States the rich will go to Europe to have an abortion performed while the poor will end up in back alley underground clinics and face likely death.

Ironside - please clarify! I'm sure this was an oversight on your part.

Sarah Palin's "Executive Branch of Government" experience is by far over-rated.

Consider this:

George Bush had 6 years executive branch of government experience and Jimmy Carter had 4 years executive branch of government experience and we see where they led us.

Sarah Palin other than being mayor of a town with a population of 6,900 has no political experience except for only being Governor for 18 months of a state with a population that is less than that of Collier and Lee counties combined.

Palin had NO IDEA what the Bush Doctrine was, even after it was explained to her.

Sarah Palin's foreign policy expertise consists of seeing a rock from Alaska with a population of 0 that Russia owns.

She has traveled overseas once, and was in two countries then. One country was Kuwait, the other was when her plane landed for refueling and even then she never left the plane while it was refueling.

Sarah Palin's so called executive experence is over-rated spin that would be laughed at by the rightwing if she was the Democrat's ticket.

rape = abortions

DOH me! :]

CORRECTION to post #24:

Sarah Palin opposes abortion in all cases (except to save the mother's life) and she supports making it illegal, even in the case of a 13 year old getting raped and pregnant by the rapist!

If abortion is illegal in the United States the rich will go to Europe to have an abortion performed while the poor will end up in back alley underground clinics and face likely death.

#19 - Nice to know how much of a coward you are. Thats why this country is in such a mess - for the past 8 years its been run BY cowards, FOR cowards. You fit right in.

#23 - consider this...

Palin is the ONLY candidate that has NO KNOWLEDGE of how FEDERAL Government operates. Zero experience with Federal issues.

The Bush Doctrine is LARGELY about invading a nation that we see as a future threat to America. Pre-emptive strikes!

Palin looked like a deer caught in the headlights when asked about the Bush Doctrine, even I felt bad for her. Well, in a funny kind of way.

If Sarah Palin is what it takes to get the Republicans excited, the Republican Party is in deep trouble!

To think that John McCain sees her as the BEST person in the United States to be president should he get eected and something (God forbid) were to happen to him, is an EXTREMELY scary thought.

These are very trying times in the America and the world right now, and Sarah Palin is hardly the answer to the problems we are facing today, if she should be called upon.

John McCain wants to stay in Iraq, build forces in Afghanistan, possibly start a war with Iran and keep Bush's tax cuts fr the wealthy in place.

How can we afford McCain's foreign policy?

Before the bail-out of Wall treet this week we owed China $1.8 trillion on a national deficit of $9.5 trillion. In order to bail-out Wall Street we had to borrow the money from China and Middle Eastern countries that we no longer want to send billions of dollars a year to for crude oil.

McCain also wants to kick Russia out of the G8.

McCain/Palin are bad for America and bad for the world. They are the status quo and worse to what we have now.

Obama/Biden are for the America People FIRST. They will bring the change that America and the world needs.

I am a liberal woman with a job as an executive in a Fortune 50 company, a firm belief in God, love for my country (and willing to see it warts and all and change it), a family with 2 children and a spouse that I have been married to for 37 years. I so totally resent the comment because I disagree with someone else who is a woman, that I am deemed envious and spiteful. Think about all you are saying, and the hateful messages that you are sending in labeling people. I will definitely vote for Obama.

Don't bother with rational argument, these McCain-Palin supporters are obviously clueless.
Instead, insult them: Palin is a pig with lipstick, same as her supporters!
Although it's true, Palin, cunning though stupid as she is, is a lot smarter than those people who went to see her at Coconut Point.
And speaking of stupid, Pagelli's Cucina (Pig's Kitchen?) will be out of business by spring.
And good riddance to bad rubbish!

Although I'm not a great fan of this person, He does make a good point. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=anxkrm...

No, she has not been a governnor for two years... more like 19 months.

Alaska's population is less than Collier and Lee counties combiined.

WOW, what experience.

George Bush was a Governor too, so what? We see what that got us!

George Bush was Governor for 6 years.

Bill Clinton was Governor for 8 years.

Jimmy Carter was Goveror for 4 years.

Sarah Palin has been Governor of a state with a population smaller than Collier and Lee counties combined for 19 months.

LMAO @ what some call "experience."

Bhut, Palin NEVER made ANY military decisions, and that incudes the National Guard of her state. WTF are you talking about?

Obama up by 6. Will be up by 10 after the debates.
A man of vision vs a tired, worn out old man.

Ironside...give it up. As one of the early posters pointed out...arguing rationally makes no difference to all of those who really had their minds made up that the man who voted 90% of the time with Bush is somehow a reformer. Qualifications have been redefined in strained ways by the GOP to put credibility where there is little. Don't get baited by the Palin distraction..that is falling right into the trap the GOP set with that nomination. Let's stick with the issues re McBush. Go Obama!

I have always been told that it is never a good idea to mix religion with politics, especially when religious fanatics are involved. On one hand, we have the Muslim extremists believing that Allah is the only true god and will lead them to ultimate victory over the infidels shouting "Allah Akbar"! On the other are the Evangelical Christian extremists telling the sheeple that only their one true god will prevail in this everlasting conflict between what each view as a war between good and evil, cheering "God Bless us"! Seems to me our present leader took this country to a war using the same tactics under the guidance of God. Now we have two new players on the scene with the very same attitude. One of them telling us that the war with Iraq is "God's plan" and the other one using the ploy that this country was founded upon Judeo-Crhistian principles to rally all the true believers to his cause. One can only hope for the best in the months to come.

It really is helpful to understand the law in order to carry it out. The President is not the CEO of the U.S. or the U.S. government..the executive branch is established to EXECUTE the law of the land. The means enforce it.

It makes me sick how women before us suffered for the right to vote and now these stepfords want to support Palin. We should be moving FORWARD...not back.

OPEN YOUR MINDS! See what is happening!

Hey Ironside, can you see Mexico from your back yard?
This past week has been a great week for Mycane he can't figure out whether he is a regulator or deregulator, who the president can and can't fire, the SEC or the SCC, the president of Spain or Mexico?? He sticks his foot in his mouth more and more everytime he opens it.

I wonder is it ALZHEIMERS OR DEMENTIA??

I love to watch those ads with Mycane and Bush waving, My mind wonders if behind the camera they hold hands and skip while singing my buddy, my buddy, my buddy and me

fear

ain't skerred

just hope they make better decisions now then they did before.

whats up with the coward talk?

I know if I was a woman I would want a 72 year old man telling me what I can do with my body. Women supporting McSame and Palin? Why? Must like the idea that if you get raped you have to keep the baby?

Abortion laws are not going to change ! the court at this time is a conservatve magority .
abortion only matters to the right side of the party-
Why waste your breath talking about it.
there are alot more important things going on in this world.

troganz
but if you are going to comment on mccain here is his stance

On “Meet the Press,” McCain said he had “come to the conclusion that the exceptions for rape, incest, and the life of the mother are legitimate exceptions” to an outright ban on abortions. “I don’t claim to be a theologian, but I have my moral beliefs.” If Roe v. Wade is overturned and abortion outlawed, McCain said he believes doctors who performed abortions would be prosecuted. “But I would not prosecute a woman” who obtained an abortion.

ABC Panel Tears Into McCain:
Not Presidential, Age Should Be An Issue

WATCH THIS MUST SEE VIDEO!
Let the truth be told.....

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Too many of you are falling into the 'personality' contest aspect. This is a Presidential election and is really about the policies and principles of the main two parties (regrettably we will not get to hear much from the other 3 challengers). That's a shame as I would like more democracy not less and I think we would all benefit from extra voices. Ralph Nader and the Green Party have been trying to tell us of the dangers of laissez-faire capitalism for a while now. Bottom line is this - if Republican John McCain wins we will have four more years of the last eight.How will that benefit our nation? At least with the Dems, they will attempt to do more good for more people. The Repubs only serve their corporate masters.

progressive
has John Mccain not shown he will work with both parties in the past?
When Obama Has voted he has voted party lines only.

what is said in election year is onething, but what is proven in history can not be disputed.

What is proven in history of the last 8 years is what losers the Bush/Cheney administration has been. McCain supported these neocon fools over 90% of the time. For more of the same losers in Washington, vote for McCain. If you truly want to clean house in Washington, vote for Obama.

McCain said he would fire the SEC chairman - Obama countered he would fire the entire administration. I say put away party affliation, racist views and religious bigotry and vote to clean out Washington!!

Why shouldn't Obama vote with the Democrats? The Democrats are about CHANGE!

McCain has voted with Bush 90% of the time, That's not being a "maverick," that's called the STATUS QUO!

What is the significant difference between McCain and Bush on the economy?

Remember, George Bush had utilized his veto powers in his first 6 years of office only one time. During that 6 year period the Senate and Congress were made up of a Republican majority. He's utilized his veto powers 11 times in the past 18 months. In those 19 months the Senate and Congress had a small Democrat majority, making impossible to over-ride a veto without Republican support. It requires 2/3 of a majority to over-ride a presidential veto.

This has made it very difficult (or virtually impossible) for the Democrats to repair in 18 months what it took the Republicans 6 years to break. Hopefully America can recover from this disastrous and irresponsible Administration that John McCain has voted in support of time and time again.

Duh and Junkyard. McCain has reached across the aisle - he's been there 26 years - wouldn't most everybody have in that length of time? However the whole 'maverick' claim is BS. He's followed the party line most of the time and has been a huge advocate of deregulation - the very deregulation that has cost the citizens of this country so much. To top it off he has made a cynical pick for VP to attempt to win the Presidency - and he may succeed. Do you sincerely believe that McCain/ Palin are the best candidates to lead this nation out of the disaster that Bush/Cheney have inflicted? More of the same is not the answer....

Pro
you have totally different values, you will never see Obama or Biden reach out to the rights way of thinking- they are party line politician.
Johnny- Obama and Biden are Washington also-they take money like everyone else.
Palin is the outsider here,
I think it would help alot if we know who Mccain / Obama were going to select for the Cabinet Post and advisers.

Duh. I want what is best for our country and recent history demonstrates that the GOP will not help the people only big business. If you know anything about economics you will be aware that 70% of the US GDP is consumer spending. Since real wages haven't gone up ( at least the Dems raised the minimum wage) for years and better paying jobs have moved to China et al, disposable income has declined. Small businesses are suffering, tax collections are down and we are funding the Iraq war on the backs of our children and grandchildren.
We need a 'sea change' in governing philosophy and the GOP will not be that change. They will continue with the same policies as Bush ( they'll dress it up and say it's change but it won't be) and the rest of the world will stop investing in us and we'll have nowhere to turn. I know you will say these things are cyclical and it won't last but what if this time it's different. Do you think Republican John McCain can pull us out of the fire? I don't.

when all else fails revert to post #59

moderate will never equal conservative
Believe me i'm not a big Mccain Fan way to Liberal.

#56

Both McSame and Palin have both recently said that birth is at conception and abortion is wrong. I could care less, as could he, about what McSame said a few months ago. He changes his views every month or so. He even sent out things in the mail about how he'll appoint judges to overturn Roe v Wade. Bottom line is he is a 72 year old man that for some reason believes he has the right to tell women what they can do with their bodies. He is an out of touch elderly man who will never have a clue what real life is like for people in today's world.

If you vote that McCain, he's older than me!, and if you vote the Palin into the Presidency, God Help America!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Cheney and Bush were voted in twice, despite the handwriting on the wall, and they have destroyed this countrys' economy, and standing in the eyes of the world! Vote a third time for these people, and you will destroy the United States of America. I've had my say, go make your vote.

It amazes me how so many refuse to learn from their mistakes. How can so many be so blind to what the Republicans have done to this great nation of ours over the past eight years?

What was with the Bush tax cuts? Why were the Republicans trying to fix something that wasn't broken? The slight downward movement with the economy hardly required such drastic action.

Then added to the tax cuts, we go to war unnecessarily in Iraq, while at war in Afghanistan with those harboring al Qaeda after bin Laden and evil-doers attacked us on 9/11. You do remember them don’t you?

John McCain has been championing himself as the great deregulator. Now he clams that he's the man to get tough on Wall Street and corporate greed.

Obama has accepted about $394,000 from the oil companies, and their employees and their spouses.

John McCain in March received $116,000, in April $283,000, and in May $208,000. He then went to Houston and made his great flip-flop on offshore drilling. In June he received $1,100,000. To date John McCain has received more than $1,700,000 form the oil companies, and their employees and their spouses.

Bill Clinton (like him or not) was more fiscally responsible then any of the past three Republican presidents.

Our nation (before the Wall Street bail-out last week) has a national deficit of $9.5 trillion. $1.8 trillion of our debt is owed to China. In order to bail-out Wall Street the American taxpayer was forced by the Bush administration to borrow another $700,000,000,000 (that's 700 billion) from China and Middle Eastern countries. Are these the nations we want to be in debt to?

And while Main Street has been asked to bail-out Wall Street, the Wall Street executives walk away with $20,000,000 to $40,000,000 retirement pensions. What's wrong with this picture?

McCain/Palin offers the STATUS QUO. McCain has voted 90% of the time with George Bush. Sarah Palin brings scandal and typical subpoena dodging that is nothing new to what we're seeing in Washington DC today.

Talking about the economy, do yourself a big favor and Google "The Keating Five." Learn about John and Cindy McCain and their Savings and Loan scandal of the 1980s.

If you REALLY care about America and love this nation the way you want everybody to believe you do, you won't make the same mistake that was made in 2000 and 2004. You would learn from your mistakes and remove your partisan blinders, and vote for Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

Ironside #69 - hitting the proverbial nail on the head. If you REALLY care about America, you won't vote for Republican John McCain this time and maybe never again for the GOP. It's time to take the advice of my favorite bumper sticker 'Be patriotic - Think!.

Way to go, Ironside and progressivedem. The issues are clear, and the thinking that staying the course in the same old way will work is delusional. To be patriotic is to love our country to the extent that we can see and speak up when its course needs changing. That was what the American Revolution was all about. We need real change.

Go Obama/Biden!

Thank you progressivedem and honeybee.

Here's the corrected version of what I just posted.

http://www.politicalplace.com/phpBB3/...

Revised: Typos and mispronunciations.

John McCain please be a hero again and save the US from Palin Brain! Maybe you didn't know she was such a liar and now that you do, just drop out or get real ill or somthing hero like.

#3 mavisdarling..."Let's face it, folks, she doesn't have the education or the training"....

I would take Sarah Palin's judgment and experience over Obamas Harvard education any day!

Obama has the worst judgment I have ever seen and no amount of education can fix that.

Hey what ever happened to the "Fist Pump" he would give Michelle....That was soooo Presidential...Iam sure one of his "handlers" told him to stop it.

John McCain - at an auto plant in Detroit: "I only buy American made cars."

Well I guess when you own 13 cars it's a bit hard of keeping track of them all, sort of like trying to keep track of the 11 homes you might own. But in reality the McCain's own two foreign cars, one Honda and one VW. Among the rest of their 13 cars is at least one gas guzzling Cadillac.

The Obama's own one home and one car between them. The car is a Ford Escape hybrid.

And the McCain campaign dares try to label Barack Obama as an elitist? Unbelievable!

Correction to post #75:

Oops, there is no correction.
Some habits are just hard to break! :]

Celtic99, you must be kidding in post #73. Obama Harvard educated lawyer vs. McCain who was 5th from bottom at the Naval Academy and Palin 5 colleges in 6 years to graduate......
Why do you Repubs resent brains so much? We need a President with wisdom, vision and the ability to think deeply about the issues. Now is not the time for another C student (and proud of it...) like Dubya.

There is no one in this administration who will be around once Obama is sworn in. Need there be any further discussion?

Why is it that people are so ignorant they vote for the very person that is causing them to suffer.

Like the saying says:
To live like a republican, vote like a democrat

If I wasn't part of this society I would almost hope McCain wins so these middle class working Americans that are voting for McCain would suffer even more than they are today.

McCain will make today's economy look wonderful.

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