So $uck it Pelican Bay!!!!!!!!!!!

I'll help put the markers in!

At first I was against putting these markers in such shallow water, but after todays downpours, I could see how these markers might save a life.

If it saves one life, then they should be installed.

Time to move away from Pelican Bay and out to Ave Maria

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But but but If they put navigational markers in ,it may lead to undesirables coming close to Pelican Bay properties.
You know, like people with a net worth of less then $10 million, or god forbid.........minorities!!
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Finally the general public has gotten support from the Federal Government to force Pelican Bay to implement a condition in the permit that has been in non-compliance for almost 10 years!! Why so long? Two thirds of the money spent in the Clam Bay Estuary came from County taxpayers. This revenue is collected from City and County residents not just from Pelican Bay property owners.

Why does Pelican Bay control how the general public's tax money is spent. Obviously the current agenda is to block any activity in the estuary that does not directly benefit Pelican Bay residents. Why is the safety of the general public such a low priority to the decision makers in Pelican Bay. Stop the insanity, get the markers up and continue the planned environmental studies that will make this estuary more accessible to the general public and at the same time create a much healthier environment for all. I seriously doubt the markers will be an eyesore from the balconies of the condo towers of Pelican Bay. I guess Pelican Bay residents do not realize that many in the general public find the condo towers to be the real eyesore in the estuary. Thank you Federal Government!!!!

Thank you United States Army Corps of Engineers for vindicating our right to navigate SAFELY through Clam Bay! The placement of navigational markers does NOT negatively impact the aesthetics of this estuary. In reality, the markers will preserve and protect the seagrass and hopefully restore the natural habitat of our precious sea creatures!

Pelican Bay, shame on you for preventing this restoration project for all these years!

My two cents.

I lived in Seagate 1959 thru 1968 and spent countless hours on Clam Bay in an original Boston Whaler. I had the privilege of enjoying Clam Bay in a more serene moment in time, and for that I am eternally thankful. Those days are long since gone but are just as vivid in my memory as if it were yesterday.

I commend the Army Corps of Engineers for their reasoned approach to this issue, and I applaud the efforts of Dr. Buser, whose tireless advocacy on behalf of Seagate residents cannot be understated.

Having been born and raised in Seagate, I have a lifetime of memories associated with the Clam Bay system. It is where I learned to boat, where I learned to fish, and it remains for me a reminder of the essential attraction of that special place we call home. Efforts to restrict boating activity in Clam Bay, an agenda which has struck me as being primarily the province of newer residents whose notions of exclusivity are most threatened by the specter of greater public access, speak to a NIMBYism that in my mind makes no sense. The Clam Bay system and adjoining waterways are literally In My Back Yard for most Seagate residents; who among our neighbors to the north has this tangible connection to the Bay? Who among them would like to teach their children how to safely operate a boat in a clearly marked channel? Who among them would like to teach their children how to cast a fishing pole under the mangroves, or learn to tell an egret from an ibis? These are the reasons my parents -- and I suspect many others -- chose to make their home and raise their families in Seagate. To us, Clam Bay is not a backdrop to our lifestyle, but a defining feature of it. And I would add that those of us who have been lucky enough to live so close to this small remnant of paradise should consider the hypocrisy of trying to keep it all to ourselves.

As to the argument about aesthetics, I would invite our neighbors in Pelican Bay to ask the residents of Port Royal, Aqualane, or Royal Harbor whether navigational markers behind their homes have led to much pain, suffering, or depreciation of property.

Again, kudos to the Corps of Engineers for their right-minded thinking, and to those in the Seagate community who have been active on this issue. I moved away from the area some years ago, but am heartened to know that my once and always home is in such good hands.

And when I say that Dr. Buser's efforts cannot be understated, I of course mean *overstated.*

It's going to be hilarious seeing channel markers sticking up out of the mud at low tide. But nothing is too abusurd for federal compliance mandates.

I am happy for the protection of both my children and the sensitive environmental areas of Clam Pass. I have extensive local boating knowledge of the entire Clam Pass system of waterways. The way Pelican Bay neglected this waterway system for their self interest and of diverting MONEY is CRIMINAL. Justice has been served!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I will be happy to donate time and energy to put the markers in so future generations may enjoy Clam Pass.

I lived near Seagate in the early 70's and went to school at Seagate Elementary. I remember the rope swing we used to swing on and being allowed to launch canoes, no problem. Some guard almost attacked me recently when I tried to launch a canoe saying the water was private too. I never understood the tension between the PB folks and the Naples crowd. We all need to work together to protect the waterways. I remember when it was named water turkey bay, but no more.

Bramble has a point the markers do seem a bit absurd, because the area is fairly shallow. then again, I spend most of my time on a sail boat that needs at minimum 5-6 feet of water to operate but whatever.

I'm glad however that we get something to rub in the noses of those stuck up as*es in Pelican Bay.

It's a no brainer. It will be safer for boaters and swimmers and make for a healthier Clam Bay. It will have more sea grass, and possibly the return of clams and oysters. Thank you Corps of Engineers. Now let's get those markers in!!

It is delightful to read all the supportive comments on this proposal. As part time residents (and tax payers)in East Naples, but enjoying regular canoeing in the Clam Pass area, it is good to see that it is being safeguarded in this way. It is too good to be restricted to the privileged few and I had not realised the antipathy that had been engendered over the years.

Thank you to the Corps for their decision and to this forum for the enlightenment provided by the comments above.

Hey, remember Ms. Martin in P.E. and the ball on the parachute game? OMG I bet I know you!
Remember running around the paper trees?

I had Ms. Singer. Too bad Mr.Hubee died.

blasted this place was great once. Even the sandspurs are gone.

When was the last the Army Corps of Engineers did anything right?

David Buser's and strings144"s comments are spot on. The health of Clam Bay, and the rights of those folks such as my family who use it for boating, need protection. The markers will improve both, and hopefully help some in Pelican Bay understand that Clam Bay is a navigable waterway, and is the public's domain. Thanks David for all you are doing for Seagate and the rest of our community.

As residents of Seagate we are thrilled with Army Corps recommendation regarding markers through Clam Bay. Clearly marking the channel will protect the health of the waterway, will secure our rights as boaters, and will help Pelican Bay understand that the area should be accesible and enjoyed by everyone.

The markers have always been needed. To find out that Pelican Bay has been responsible for hiding this fact for so many years is outrageously self serving and probably litigous. Seagate was a boating community before Pelican Bay even existed.