If you mean me calling teenager's who act like this stupid then I guess I am racist.

The thing I see here is destructive behavior.

Let's not be too harsh. Let's make certain these kids get the probation they deserve. What's $150K worth of violation to the homeowning family? Boys will be boys.

I hope the judges up in Lee county are tough, these kids need to spend a good, long time in prison.

Just watch...these kids will only get their hands slapped..... No big deal to them or their family. We'll hear how "they are all good students", "this shouldn't tarnish their future", "it was just a practical joke....ala Sr. pranks....". Condolences to the homeowners.... What a way to end their vacation. In my opinion, all those arrested should serve time in jail and momy and daddy should pay for the damages. And by the way....let's see their booking mug shots.

Their parents should not be held responsible Philly. It's not their fault the kids acted like animals.
I do however agree with you about their hands getting slapped.

They need to make these kids fix everything, pay for everything and show up at this house every month for the next 5 years to do chores. Wash cars, cut the grass, wash the windows and scrub the toilets.

I hope the penalties are strong ones so these kids learn their lesson early on. Too many judges these days give the little slap on the wrist and kids learn nothing from that. Then a long record follows......

Wrong opinionated. I know Julie, I live in Stoneybrook. Parents are never home and she roams the streets till all hours of the morning. The commandos should be proud of the priorities they have set, as we all just paid over $200 for nice new mailboxes.

They should make the kids CLEAN all the GARBAGE out of the house and do all the labor themselves.
THAT would be far better than if they just had to pay. They need to be in the filth and the smell that they created. Those odors will be imprinted in their brains far longer than it will take to pay off the loan for reimbursing the homeowners.

So, you know Julies parents Jet, and they are never home.
If this is the case, then I would be inclined to agree with you.
In some cases you cannot hold the parents responsible if they have done everything in their power to guide the children down the right path.

#6 Posted by Philly
They may in fact get hands slapped if this is their first offense, but Mommy and Daddy WILL be paying for said damage via restitution , divided by 12, of course.

This will leave a really bad taste in the mouths of said parents, can you say child abuse?

I don't understand what would make teenagers do something like this? If this were my kid he/she would have hell to pay and wouldn't get any deference whatsoever. Shame on this mother for trying to minimize her daughter's involvement.

Why would anyone want those idiots to clean and fix their home? If they cared so little before, do you think they will give a rat's bottom now?

And Opionionated: I hear you on the parent responsibility issue. It is a tough call. But you can't garnish a teenager's wages for 10 years or more to recoup the cash. Who should pay for this? The victim shouldn't be out a dime......

We all know the homeowners insurance will cover most of this but it is a shame.
And if I were the homeowner I wouldn't want any of these delinquents near my home, ever.
These kids should have to clean jail cells for a long time.

So who pays? You and I, when we pay our insurance, thats who.

HEHEHEHEHE!! Funny Cutthroatliberal. But since you want to hear the racist side, I will give it to you.
Just check the tone in the comments already posted. There is even one excusing the parents. Thats hilarious. I have a 16y/o boy. And I know where he is at all times. We talk to him since he was a little kid. SO he is very mature and knows better. Whats a 14y/o girl doing roamming the streets at night???
But here comes the racist side. Imagine the comments if instead of Defrancesco her lastname was something like this: Rodriguez, Perez, Rivera, Alvarez, etc..... Can you imagine that??
I never wish jail for kids that age. But I am waiting to see the ages of the others. And I hope they make this little girl work very hard until she is at least 18y/o. Work has never kill anyone. And she might learn a big lesson. And of course the parents should pay for the damages!!!

Above all: Who has the 9mm?????? I surely don't want a teenager running around with a pistol

Make no mistake, as it appears that this is probally a bunch of minors the Parents will be held financially responsible. Its just a shame that the parents even let this happen, at some point you have to take responsibilty for your children. I guess they will all learn this expensive lesson the hard way.

She did not do any of the major damage, but she's guilty because she was a part of it," DeFrancesco said.
hehehehehehe Thank you MOM.

Whats next? Rape,Murder,etc.........

with as much damage as these kids have done, they deserve much more than a slap on the wrist. a few weeks in juvi along with LOTS (lots) of community service should suffice.
These kids need to learn respect, overall.

I can say I "Never" did anything that resulted in property damange. If you think they are worth saving you take these wonderful youths. Put your money where your mounth is you blow hard!!!!!

So Cutthortindependent they are not worth saving, your are not going to take them all in and raise them!!!
I rest my case "Blow Hard"

Why no charges for driving a stolen vehicle at 14 YOA? I think these punks should be charged with every possible violation. No valid drivers license, no proof of insurance, public endangerment, are just a start beyond the burglary charges, and destruction of property. Community Service should be building houses for habitat for humanity at the least. No picking up trash, or sissy punishment of that type.
I have a neighbor who had their brand new home destroyed by vandals here in Naples just last week with the same food all over the house with major damage. It's terrible the owners went on vacation when this break in occurred because that 9mm could have been put to good use had they been home!

Looks like I called that one right!

Absolutely NO EXCUSE mom, your daughter deserves as much punishment as any of the perps.

Driving the car is grand theft auto besides.
Send her up!

Yes Cuttroat, I think you are right (#33). What a terrible ordeal. The Williamsons having to move because they don't feel safe. I just can't fathom what our society has come to when kids can think this type of behavior is ok. Very distressing.

You people who are out blaming the parent for everything are completely out of line. You have no idea what the family life is like of this child or of this parent. No one is trying to reduce her involvement in this horrible crime, her mother is only stating what she knows to be true. How would you feel if you had a 14 year old daughter who is scared and probably regrets getting involved in something so stupid whos name is being slandered across the news with fake accusations against her? She was involved, and yes, she could have stopped it, but the media is making her out to be the leader of these group of teenagers. They are using her as an example because she seems to be the only one that they have gotten a hold of so far.

As far as the damages go, the parent should not be held responsible for it. Teenagers do stupid things. It's called REBELLION. The teenagers should have to do something about it. They should all be punished, or the ones that they can find. However, the media should not be throwing this girls name out there making it seem like she did everything just so it looks as if they are actually doing something about it.

Leave the mother alone. She's having a hard enough time as it is. For all you people know this girl could easily be sneaking out of the house in the middle of the night without her even realizing it. Teenagers have their own free will. What do you expect her to do, sit by her side making sure she's in her bed all night? She has other responsibilities to tend to... like working to keep food on the table for her family and keep a roof over their heads.

Think about it.

Parents SHOULD be held responsible (as well as the teens being punished). From birth until the age of 18, your child is your responsibility. If you don't like that, don't have kids. You can't just raise them until they are 10 or 12 and then unleash them. Once they celebrate that milestone birthday, then you can wash your hands of their criminal activities. Until that time, you share the blame for what they do.

Guess what sashmo and Opinionated, parents ARE financially liable for the criminal acts of their children for vandalism crimes. See Florida Statute 741.24.

hmmmm ... wonder what sashmo529 would say had this been her house destroyed?

or maybe she is the girl's mother, attempting to evoke sympathy because she "has other responsibilities to tend to... like working to keep food on the table for her family and keep a roof over their heads."

waaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa!!!!

Roadhouse: exactly....

Charge the kids as adults! Do chores as punishment?? C'mon- prison is the only place they should be. Shame on the parents for raising undisciplined children as they have so well done. I have nothing but shame for the parents. The court systems will give them some community service and a slap on the hands. This liberal government system is flawed!

These kids are little more than animals with clothes. Probably stolen clothes, at that. Too bad they can't be tried as adults. They can thank their lucky stars it wasn't in Collier, since the CCSO condones guards ignoring their duties while the kids under their watch are beaten and tortured.
But back to this -- Juvi for starters...community service for...life would be nice, but 10 years would be ok. Sort of.

marcoislandgal,
I totally agree. If the parents are hit in their wallets for the damages just maybe they'd pay a little more attention.(then again, maybe not, 'cuz too many babies having babies)

Most of you blogging that the parents should pay for their childrens actions do not have children.
Just a guess...

I have seen this happen, and we knew the parents to be very loving and always around for the child, but this child still went on destructive path anyways.

Case and point: Do not blame the parents 100% of the time.

not only should the teenagers be punished the parents should have to pay all damages out of their own pockets...you can bet they will keep a better eye on their kids...this mother who said her daughter came in later and only ate chips gave me the best laugh of the day unfortunately this is a disgusting pitiful situation...what kind of upbringing do these kids have..not much I venture

and since when do their names not get published because they are underage..that is total garbage if they can inflict this kind of damage and reckless behavior there is no reason their names should NOT be published....

Oh, roadhouse, sorry, almost forgot about you. For the most part, we are not talking financial liabilities about which Insurance Company pays what.

We are talking about childrens responsibilties vs Parents.

call 1-800 GET FIXED for these kids. FREE VASECTOMIES/TUBAL LIGATIONS! Really folks- these kids are gonna breed and produce genetic copies of themselves! GOD HELP US! " And the beat goes on" Sonny and Cher!

I say throw the book at them and try them as adults. Even at 14 - they knew their actions were seriously wrong.

Doesn't matter if an adult or teen did this - the damage isn't any less substantial because it was done by a group of minors. And with the theft of a gun involved too.

Oh heck no!! I say start trying juvenilles as adults in cases like this. We're talking $200,000 damage.

You know what the problem is in this case?

Most teens know that being arrested and tried as a juvenille offender is nothing because your records are espounged once you turn 18.

And I don't care what their families are like. That #39 posting doesn't get it. Kids by age 7-10 know right from wrong, and rebellion at the tune of $200,000 - that's too freakin steep a price tag for mere teenage rebellion.

We're not talking about stealing a couple of beers from Dad's refrigerator in the garage or taking the car without permission. WE'RE NOT EVEN TALKING MINOR SHOPLIFTING HERE!!! All of my examples are teenage rebellion that can be undone with a slap on the hands and a store being reimbursed.

A family's house and home was destroyed.

Sashmo, I hope you were kidding. That girl's name was being mentioned because the other perpetrators ratted her out. That might not make her the ringleader, but it's a start.

Simple: Put them in "OLE SPARKY", followed by probation.
By the way, what's with two "CUTTS"? I thought Lib. had a copywright on that.

DeFransesco's Mom didn't make the case any better for her daughter by elaborating on her daughter's bad choices.

Where were the other ELEVEN PARENTS and teens.

This is horribly wrong....these kids need to be held accountable.

#39 SASHMO529 Your probably the girls mother, and all parents work to put food on the table and keep a roof over their heads. That is no excuse for not raising your children properly. keeping an eye on them and taking time to find out what your kids are doing and who they are doing it with. she is just as responsible as the rest of the gang. but if the mother is busy with other things???? That is why this girl is roaming the streets all night.

#48 Opininated I do have children fully grown. I worked, and the spouse and I made sure we were involved in our childrens lives and they turned out great.
Parents need to stop making excuses. Take responsibity for your children and their actions.

Agreed on the kids being accountable.
Punish them, but not as adults.

And as Jetaime pointed out, the PARENTS were not around to guide this child, so in this situation, the parents should have to attend parenting classes.

Again, sometimes we can blame the parents, other times, well you know.

allUpoliticalsockpuppets, read my posts again.
You jumped on this blog without doing your homework.

You might be one of the lucky ones...

But what if you did everything in your power to make your child respectable, law abiding, ect.
And turned out for the worse?

What would you post now???

I would not have let my child roam the streets at night at any age under 18 and even when they were in my home and over the age I still made sure I kept an eye on them. If my children would of turned out bad, I would assume some of the responsibility.
I would definetly want my child to admit what they did and not try and justify my childs actions by saying she went in and ate some chips.
I would escort them to the police car myself. And hope a judge gives them what they deserve, maybe it will straighten them out.

What if you are ASLEEP WHEN THIS OCCURS????
You work...and so does your spouse...

What say you now?

I understand some kids are going to turn out bad regardless. But now adays mothers are to busy with their lives to worry about their kids, they need thier time, their space the me time.
The problem is parents are not teaching their children respect, morals, values, decency. you see it every where you go. Parents need to give them love. Make time to listen to them and talk to them.
Not ignore them. Then again parents are also busy on the computer, the phone, the text mess. and watching to much reality t.v. after all that, who's going to have time for children?

Marjorie DeFrancesco is an adult who should have taught her daughter what is right and what is wrong. Marge is making excuses for her criminal thug daughter. Ring leader or not is inmaterial, going into anyone's home without permission is against the law. Juliana knew no one was home but she went inside anyhow to eat some "chips" and then went for a ride in a truck that did not belong to her. What BS! Come on Marge how dumb do you have to be-- Marge, you know it is against the law to go into someone's home without permission eat some chips and take the owners truck out for a a spin. Is just WRONG! At 14 or 6 Juliane should know what is right what is wrong. Your daughter should be held completely responsible for her actions and so should her "friends." You and your family should be helping the victims clean up and be making restitution. Juliana should be helping out, too, cleaning up the maggoty mess, painting the house, taking out the trash, etc. Marge, get Juliane new friends and some counselling before she ends up permanently wearing the black and white strips of a lifetime criminal. Each of these hoodlums and their families should be accountable and responsible for the losses incurred by this family, too. It is a shame...

I agree, these kids should be held responsible for their actions. I further agree that the mother of this young girl didnt do her any good by speaking with the media, probably just trying to say, "hey, she's taking responsibility for her actions". I have to honestly say, that if anyone of you found your child in this circumstance, you would envoke your 5th amendment right on behalf of your child and do whatever you could do to protect them.

#39 Posted by sashmo529
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For all you people know this girl could easily be sneaking out of the house in the middle of the night without her even realizing it.
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Either you are a juvenile yourself or just ignorant.

#58 Posted by allUpoliticalsockpuppets
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Parents need to stop making excuses. Take responsibity for your children and their actions.
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EXACTLY!

We had neighbors who not only looked the other way when their kids were doing something wrong they made excuses and even gave false alibis.
One time during a police investigation in the neighborhood for vandalism they even moved out of their home for over a month so their child would not be questioned. Eventually their child was identified and they moved back. (Bummer)
I used them as an example for my kids of exactly the opposite of the right and moral thing to do.
Eventually the kids advanced up to crimes the parents couldn't cover for and they are both in jail now.
All they taught their kids was "If you can get away with it, it's OK" or falsely "There will always be someone there to bail you out of trouble."

I'm surprise no one has screamed.."They should be deported".LOL. I can smell drug, sex, gang, etc. Typical anti-social behavior that many of the young children share accross the world today. It's nothing more than a sign of frustration and neglect.

I know everyone of these kids, im one myself, ive gone to school with them, and honestly, i laugh in there faces, they get what they deserve, each and everyone of them, way to mess up your childhood, having to go in and out of court, and we all know they do drugs, so have fun with probation, have fun trying to get away with stuff now!

what they all did was beyond stupid, and im pretty sure im gonna be laughing when they find time telling me what the judge gave them!

like the saying goes "kids will be, kids" but thats just down right retarded, they all knew they weren't going to get away with it, why step foot in the house? just to be cool, go and prove yourself to everyone else in the neighborhood.
im done going on lol but like i said they messed up there own childhood.

and i can tell you by the mugshots, this isnt the first time, especially for tyler and joey.

I used to live in Stoneybrook....houses very close to each other...I find it hard to believe that none of the neighbors saw or heard anything strange going on at the vandalized house??

and by the way, you cant sit there and blame it on parenting skills, because honestly kids do whatever nowadays.

im the same age as julie, and i know right from wrong, and it didn't take my mom or dad to sit there and tell me "thats wrong", its called using your brain?

julies mom wants to blame everyone else besides julie. its pretty pathetic. face it your child is dumb.

The blame for this lies with the parents who obviously haven't taught their kids proper values and respect. Unfortunately, time in jail won't teach it either.

What is throatliberal talking about? Did I miss a couple of comments where somebody used racism?
I didn't read any racsim in the article either. Anyway the consesus by most here anyway is that it was some dumb kids that vandalized, that's it!
As for the Mother, of course she's going to defend her daughter, the Parents are the ones who will have to pay for the damages. Sorry folks but that's how the law works, the kids involved are minors.

Anyway, the real concern here is the gun and the stolen car, these aren't just normal vandals, these kids have obviously done this kind of stuff before and she be prosecuted to the full extent of the law

Its all very sad. The homeowners didnt deserve it and I think that they should be compensated by the families of the teens. Maybe the money that they're going to pay would push these parents to better discipline their kids.

ecoterror...it TAKES TWO TO TANGO...unless you think these kids were an immaculate conception, too.

They were obviously unsupervised, and Mom and Dad assumed they were on the right track.

They WERE WAY OUTTA LINE to trash someone's house, but they were probably very angry with something in their lives. There's NO EXCUSE!

BUT FOR ELEVEN KIDS to be in on this destruction, sounds gang related, too.

Aren't pictures revealing? Interesting faces, eh? Will we read about these 'children' in the future?

Remember the 90s, when a gasbag with a bouffant quacked about 'our children'? Remember how he told them to 'just do it' (and to lie when caught)?

Didn't 'the children' learn well from their fine teacher? Yes, they did.

Now that you've met the 'children', might it be wise to secure your home?

Someone claims their child is innocent because they hung back as others broke and entered? Since when does being clever make one innocent? Are these inter-generational ethical cretins?

Does this charming mid-summer's tale validate criminologists' predictions of 'the mother of all crime waves'?

Recently, a tatooed 'child' visited our neighborhood. They lied about collecting for a class trip when in fact they were casing homes and cleverly getting paid to do so.

Good neighbors called deputies, who shortly arrested these budding Al Capons. That's right, Capons. Seems Daddy's a rich poohbah and Mommy cries that she can't do a thing with serpent child. Good neighbors offered to do plenty if she didn't. Isn't it nice to have good neighbors?

Something one soon comes to appreciate, when thriving in California's treacherous high-desert: Little rattlers come from big ones.

Paul Vincent Zecchino
Manasota Key, Florida
05 August, 2008

"Life is filled with slippery
rocks, beneath which lie many
dangerous creatures..."
- 'Meyer',
"The Green Ripper"
c. 1979, J.D. MacDonald

If the offending child is a boy, he and dad go to jail together for 6 months, sharing the same cell and paying in fines for being there. If the offender is a girl, she and mom go off together for 6 months in jail in the same cell, also paying their own way.'
Give the homeowners, clear title to the offenders homes, until all damages are paid for plus compensation for pain and suffering equal to 10 times damages.

Don't jail those children! Board them out to the Phoenix Sheriff's TENT jail until Lee County can buy a few sets of Pilgrim's style STOCKs and re-institute public whipping.

This is truly unbelievable!

No alarm system?

Up to 30 KIDS may be involved and the neighbors saw/heard nothing - over a 5 day period? The neighbors didn't think anything was strange when the truck went missing? Neighbors don't speak to each other? I can't imagine this crowd of kids being so quiet that no one heard/saw anything. I am NOT "blaming" the neighbors - it just seems that someone should have suspected something - neighbors don't look out for neighbors any more?

And the mother of the 14 year old girl is taking up for her? Seems to me she should have taken an interest in what her child was up to BEFORE it came to this. Chips are fairly cheap - perhaps where she is going will quench the craving she obviously has for them - perhaps a bad case of the munchies? How much marijuana can you get for a truck these days?

It seems these kids' parents went on vacation and left them home alone - they had quite a busy week. It's most likely not the first time these kids have been in trouble - and their names will appear frequently in this newspaper - or another one.

I feel bad for these homeowners who have worked hard to live in a nice neighborhood and obviously raised their children to be respectful members of society for it all to be stripped away by a group of unsupervised juvenile THUGS.

Opinioniated: Enough with the what-ifs.... Get real.... The parents are responsible for their kids actions up to 18. My god...what's next... Who should be responsible in your scenario of the parents being perfect and doing everything right? You must be advocating throwing the kids in jail....I'm fine with that..

All who are defending this as "kids will be kids" are missing the point. Parents ARE responsible for their minor children, both as a point of law, and by every other definition of society. The problem is that most people today are not good parents. MY parents knew where I was at all times and what I was up to, and if I even thought of getting out of line, a neighbor or friend's mom would have ratted me out (it's called community).
You can see bad parenting every where you go, parents pacifying misbehaving kids in public places by buying them things instead of teaching them how to act in public. Parents looking the other way while kids destroy and disarray displays in stores, kids wandering around unsupervised. Moms yakking on cell phones and paying no attention to their kids. Etc. etc. etc. This is the tip of the iceberg. When you don't teach children how to behave, and how to respect other people and other people's property, well-being, and privacy, you end up with anti-social teens and adults.
Didn't these poor victims have a neighbor designated to look out for their house while they were gone?

So I get home last night....we are now paying for three security guards. Problem is...they are all in the gatehouse! Too little too late. The deputy we hire to catch the real criminals (stop sign runners) may want to do a once around the block once in a while. Someone blogged in another venue that her house was vandalized a couple weeks ago. She lives in Stoneybrook too. She said nothing was done then and maybe these were the same thugs. Isn't there a level of expectation of being safe with all this security?

As the 91st poster having read all these opinions there isn't much to add. I don't think I could continue to live in that neighborhood. I certainly wouldn't want those kids in or around my house to clean up or otherwise. Their parents would be welcome to paint and clean. But I am sure they are too ashamed to look the victims in the face. Any parent that doesn't know where their teenage kids is for hours at a time is irresponsible. There is no excuse on earth for what these kids did. NONE. I would move as soon as possible and never look back.

Its quite simple : THEY ALL NEED TO GO TO JAIL NO EXCEPTIONS !

the "guards", neighbors, the vandals, and the parents need to be tried under the death penalty....

their home owners insurance will probably not pay and they and their neighbors will be canceled

today I feel like a Saudi Muslim and some hands should be cut off...

will the legislature now, finally pass a law against Red Neck inbreeding????

Perfect commercial for using birth control and or abortion

"In my day we weren't angles. We'd steal porno mags from Circle K, smoke pot in the basement, set fires in vacant lots and even torture a kitty cat now and then, but we'd never do $100k damage to a neighbor's house." - ecoterror

Most people did at least some of the following while a kid or teen. Shoplift. Smoke pot. Read porn mags. Play with matches. I can honestly say that NOBODY I know ever tortured kitty cats. Ecoterror, you are a POS. You are not a wise guy. You are a coward and a punk.

I am sorry... I had to comment on this because no one else seems to care!

Regarding ecoterror's comment #81:

You mentioned not being an angel back in the day (or an angle, according to you! :) and said that amoung other unsavory deeds you tortured a cat... WHAT????? As if this is "normal?" Kids do not "just" torture animals!! It is an indicator of mental illness, not to mention a lack of feelings and compassion. Might I mention the current news story of Andrew Castro... he also tortured a cat before he moved on to a human!

So, yeah. You're cool dude! Party on!

honestly, i wish they would bring up more names.
there had to've been a major reason for doing this, other than "we were just bored." this whole thing does't make sense. if they don't end up going to jail, they should at least pay for the damages. [and i dont mean having they're rich parents pay for it either]
lets see if they'd ever do it again after that.

AMOUNG acording to you. Ha Ha Ha

Flanative, I completely agree.
It's not even about the mother not knowing about the kid sneaking out. It's about the mother who apparently hadn't reared the child to know that she shouldn't sneak out in the first place. Lack of respect apparent before the criminal actions.
Why is this sitting at the mothers foot? Simply because she commented? Where is the father?? What a huge difference in a child's life when you know that your FATHER will kick your butt if you did something stupid. Fathers, more than ever, need to step up and get more involved with their kids.
It is difficult to properly raise children these days especially in this area: lack of outside physical activities that are affordable etc. However, it is no excuse.

re: single parenting... reminds me of something Chris Rock said in one of his stand-up shows.. Something along the lines of, "Just because you can drive a car with your feet , doesn't mean that you should".
Both parents, divorced or not, whatever the situation, need to be involved with their kids at all times.

we've got to stop kids from roaming around at all hours unsupervised. they walk the streets like they own them! they are children, they should be at home doing chores and homework after dark. i'm all for a curfew. make them pay restitution. they should only get a drivers license to go to school and work and their wages should be garnished. they need to be accountable for what theyve done. and the parents should carry some financial burden too! let's start acting like the parents our kids need so that they can be the type of parents thier kids deserve. discipline and abuse are not the same thing. if we dont lead them the best way possible they will just follow some idiots lead. boundaries & tough love. before it's too late!

Maybe we should bring back the public stocks. A while in those, perhaps being pelted with the same rotten food that they left in the Williamson's home, may well change their tune. I'm sure there will be the "cruel and unusual" contingent amongst everyone here, but lets face it, the one thing that scares the CRAP out of most teenagers is public humiliation (for example..."Mom! Do you HAVE to talk to me when I'm with my friends?? It's EMBARRASING!!"). Juvi is basically a slap on the wrist, jail might be too much (could push them over the edge, and I don't think they need much of a shove). A few days (weeks) with your head, hand and feet through a board in the town square (I KNOW... Estero has NO town square... work with me here, people), getting yelled at and having rotten tomatoes thrown at you (not allowed to say anything back, though) could reform these little thugs, or at least give them pause before they try it again. A good spanking could have helped once, but it's too late for that now. Besides, they label that 'child abuse' now, don't they? If the parents had have taken steps back then to correct things (remember... Mr Williamson DID tell these kids' parents that they had a fort in the woods and left a pine stump burning, and the parents didn't do anything then, either!), they might not be in this position now.

#74 Posted by ecoterror
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CutThroat is seen four the moron he is.
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Why the personal attack? He is entitled to his opinion, bad spelling and all.

#81 Posted by ecoterror
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torture a kitty cat now and then
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That wouldn't involve tossing it to an alligator, would it?

My son, even though he is 19 has a curfew as long as he lives at home.
I told him I am responsible for him until he moves out.
He must report to me when he decides to go somewhere other than where I expect him to be. I still meet his friends and have banned some.
I even have driven around to check up on him to see if everything is alright and to make sure he is still being honest with me.
He sometimes gets upset with me and thinks I am overbearing but I believe it is responsible parenting.

I overheard him on his cell one day talking to a friend, "I can't, my dad wouldn't approve, no, he would find out anyway, lets go do something else."

I guess I must be doing something right.

The same goes for his brother.

I believe you must make involvement in your child's life even if it "embarrasses" them because your responsibility doesn't just because they think they are old enough to make their own decisions.

my parents wont even let me hang at the mall on friday nights. i think i now know why.

I agree Tired.
My children have been brought up to respect the rules while I am present, AND when I am not present. I try to minimize possible negative behaviors by not allowing my children around other kids who are allowed to roam, known for trouble at school, disrespectful to their own parents etc.

If my child were involved in something like this, I would be the first to offer repayment and I would drag my kid to clean not only her part, but much more. Of course, If it were my house that was destroyed, I wouldn't want the perpetrators anywhere near.

Tired-
Being in parent means laying down the law and sometimes being unpopular with your kids. Thank you for caring so much and raising them the right way. Someday, they will thank you.

Rotten kids come from guess what? rotten parents. If they would haven gotten the discipline from the parents, this crap would not have happened. These punks should have to spend a long time behind bars with real bad criminals. They would get a real education.

Ayup...back in the day when I was a wee lad if I EVEN knew something like this had happened and not told my folks I would of had to take my dinners standing up for quite a while.

I shudder to think of what my Dad would have done to me if I had actually been involved in the damage or stealing parts.

Probably be still taking my dinners standing up or have a huge chunk of callous on my backside so thick it would stop a .45 caliber bullet cold at point blank range.

As far as home owners insurance "taking care" of it that really depends on the insurance company and how they interpret their policies.

This could very easily ruin this family.

Tired #106...Good for you. Your roof your rules. Being an "overbearing parent" might help in getting the young man motivated to find his own place sooner than if you were to just wait him out. Not to mention build in an appreciation of taking care of himself and his possessions when he does go out on his own.

If he ever gets one of those "roomates from the hot place" he will be more likely to boot them out than put up with it before it goes too far.

Sashmo529 #39...REBELLION, in a teenage minor, is telling your parents "Its my life." while still living at home. REBELLION is pushing the limits of curfew. REBELLION is skipping school.

REBELLION is not doing somewhere between $100,000.00 and $200,000.00 worth of damages to a neighbors home.

This is just animalistic behaviour that, by law, the parents are financially responcible for. This is a total lack of respect for another person and their belongings.

Apparently these kids lived in Stoneybrook for the most part so are not "wanting" for anything. Except, again apparently, parents willing to wear out their kneecaps kicking these kids in the backsides to make them into decent human beings instead of a pack of ravaging apes.

There are too many people who subscribe to the belief that you should be a "friend" to your child instead of a parent. While forgetting that a TRUE friend is willing to give you a good smack to bring you to your senses to do what is best for you.

Why did they take the picture off from the article of one of the kids? There were 3 kids yesterday and today there's only 2 pictures showing. There was a young kid of 15 yrs of age, If I remember correctly.

Weird...

STONEYBROOK WAS ONCE A NICE COMMUNITY TO LIVE IN.BUT SINCE THE TRASH MOVED IN (AND YOU KNOW WHO YOU ARE) THINGS ARE NOT AS