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Letter of the Day: To dust we shall return
Editor, Daily News:
In Wednesday’s paper there was an article on a different subject, the disposal of cremation ashes abandoned by families at funeral homes.
My family has been using cremation for three generations. My grandfather, an engineer, had to move a graveyard in the Boston area to a new site in the early 1900s and since then we have always been cremated.
When I was young we were the odd ones for not having the usual type of funerals and burials. Today I would gather that cremation memorial services are much more common.
When we lived in Michigan, an undertaker named Thomas Lynch wrote a book called “The Undertaking” about his business. If it is still around it is an interesting read. I remember the accumulation of people’s ashes having been one of his problems.
The gist of his book, however, is caring for the living — because the dead do not care.
Boston-area funeral director Peter Stefan, quoted in the Associated Press article, has given us a new political issue: How to now bury the dead.
We can now create a new public fund and set aside some property in our towns and instead of calling it Potter’s Field we could rename it. We can have a contest among the locals as to the name of the site for those who choose not to pick up the ashes of their “loved ones”?
Virginia Bailey, Naples
Letter: To the rescue
Editor, Daily News:
Our big dogs need help!
The Florida Saint Bernard Rescue organization is in dire need of foster and forever homes.
We don’t want any of our beautiful friends to be put to sleep in kill shelters because we can’t make room for them.
Don’t think of a Saint as a huge, drooling Beethoven that tears your house apart. Saints are generally very laid back, extremely friendly and affectionate.
All they need is a loving home that can provide food, indoor care and lots of hugs.
They don’t require a lot of space.
If you are interested in becoming a foster parent or would like to adopt, please visit the Web site www.saintrescue.org/florida.htm or call me at 390-2696.
Bonnie Sleeper, Bonita Springs
Letter: Limit the fools
Editor, Daily News:
I realize you have a policy of one letter per two weeks.
I feel you should add to your policy a limit of letters by the same person to a limited number per year.
It gets frustrating to read the same ones using the medium to try and convince everyone to their foolish way of thinking.
Art Largent, Naples
Letter: Policy and the presidency
Editor, Daily News:
On Aug. 8, the Georgian military attacked South Ossetia in an effort to assert its sovereignty over that area. Naturally, each side said the other started the fight. The attack provided the excuse for Russia to attack Georgia and crush the Georgian military.
Georgia had not exercised sovereignty over South Ossetia since the collapse of the Soviet Union more then 15 years ago. South Ossetia has a population of about 70,000. About two-thirds speak a different language and have a different culture from the rest of Georgia. It has had the support of Russia from the beginning.
What ever could have possessed Georgia to attack at this time? Georgia is a country of less than 5 million and has no military chance against Russia.
The U.S. has supported Georgia and provided arms and training. If President Bush did not plainly tell the president of Georgia that attacking South Ossetia would give an excuse to Russia to crush Georgia militarily and that the U.S. would provide no military help, then President Bush bears substantial responsibility for the disaster.
And John McCain makes the problem worse. He suggests making Georgia a member of NATO. Surely he understands that would require the U.S. by treaty to help Georgia militarily. Do we need a third war while we are already fighting in Iraq and Afghanistan?
Teddy Roosevelt advised speaking softly but carrying a big stick.
McCain speaks loudly but carries nothing.
This country cannot afford another loose cannon as president.
Aaron Knott, Naples
Letter: Get what we pay for?
Editor, Daily News:
Now that the new higher Florida Power & Light rates are in effect, I wonder if we will no longer have the weekly power blips that cause us to reset the clocks on our appliances — or will we still have to play their silly game?
Elmer (Butch) Janca, Naples
Letter: Something not right
Editor, Daily News:
Talk about being out of touch with a huge segment of voters!
How many of us — typical elderly white women (not my words but those of Barack Obama) — really own and use the equipment that is needed for text messaging?
Oh, well, another slap in the face from him.
Whoever is handling him is not doing him any favors.
For the first time since I was old enough to vote, I plan on voting for another party’s candidate — anybody but Obama — and I certainly hope that Hillary Clinton does not end up on his ticket because she will only cause her supporters to take another look at her.
Remember, change is directional: either for the good or for the worse. I agree that we need a change, but I don’t think Obama can or will deliver it.
Elizabeth M. Jenkins, Naples
Letter: No room to talk
Editor, Daily News:
Apparently letter-writer John Riccio was in many places at many times. His assessment of John McCain’s military service, in comparison to John Kerry and Chuck Hagel’s military experience, would require that he had been present during these situations.
No one who wasn’t there at the time would know the extent of their conduct under fire. I guess in Riccio’s mind being a POW is no big deal, and if anything is less than honorable, even though there were several POWs awarded the Medal of Honor.
By his own admission, Riccio never served a day in combat, but he claims he almost went. Sorry, close doesn’t count, and at the very least, opinions on the subject should come from someone with experience.
If he doesn’t like McCain for whatever reason, he is entitled to vote against him, but he hasn’t earned the right to stand in judgment of his military service.
George Brondsema, Naples
Letter: Chances of success? Slim
Editor, Daily News:
I need to get this off my chest. Or maybe my tummy.
My wife recently told me that I was fat.
Another “friend” told me I was obese. I don’t even know what “obese” means.
Well, anyway, I decided to do something about it.
On television I saw an ad for a diet plan showing beautiful, tasty-looking plates and large servings.
Then they introduced a couple of people I used to admire: Don Shula and Dan Marino. They stated how they’d lost a lot of weight, etc.
Baloney!
I’d wager they cheated.
Well, I tried it. I ordered a four-week supply of food for almost $250.
Talk about bad! It was neither tasty nor filling. It was awful.
I gave my cats some of the “tasty” lunch. They were gone for three days, and they still won’t have anything to do with me. My wife has to feed them now. They don’t trust me anymore.
My neighbors’ dog, Crabby, came by and I gave him a taste.
Crabby bit me.
Will I stick to that diet? Fat chance.
Bob Moates, Naples
Letter: Paying attention?
Editor, Daily News:
Throw it away, but equally.
A vote for a third party is a vote for the person you want the least.
It is that simple.
There are generally two categories of people who vote for a third party: emotional children who throw a tantrum because they do not get their way and those who are angry and want to make a statement, regardless of effect.
For both of you (and you are really the same), no one cares about you.
You are shouting, “Pay attention to me. I am important and what I say counts.”
Like all followers of crusaders, you are a very unhappy group, blaming us for you.
The positive side is that there seems to be a fairly equally amount of loonies driving themselves away from the left and the right.
Bruce Reichert, Naples
Letter: In or out of political mix?
Editor, Daily News:
In a recent letter of the day, William Conklin pointed out the fact that John Riccio calls his planting of crosses on Naples beach “Arlington South.” Conklin wrote that this “travesty does not honor the troops.”
I have more information to support Conklin’s accusation.
My wife became quite upset when she read Riccio’s claim that the “Disabled American Veterans (DAV) has given McCain a 20 percent rating and Barack Obama 80 percent when supporting its issues.” She was upset because she has been contributing money to the DAV for years, believing it to be a nonpartisan organization.
I contacted the DAV and shared Riccio’s letter with them. This is what I received from the DAV:
“We believe such activities would seriously harm the DAV’s ability to effectively represent disabled veterans before Congress, the White House, the Department of Veterans Affairs, and other government agencies and departments. It would threaten our tax-exempt status to become involved in any way with the political process. Those members count on us to advocate their needs as disabled veterans, and the DAV concentrates its attention and resources on this single, narrowly defined, nonpartisan cause. We hope this explanation is sufficient to answer your questions about the DAV’s position on politics.”
Tom Macchia, Naples
Letter: Thought provoking
Editor, Daily News:
Letter-writer Michael Adler recently expressed hope that the “forceful comments” by President Bush and Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice will persuade the Russians to withdraw from Georgia.
He omitted mentioning that their initial “forceful comments” to the Georgians, strongly urging them not to invade South Ossetia, failed. On Aug. 8, the Georgians went ahead anyway, bringing on the Russian invasion.
Adler belittles Barack Obama’s comments that “all parties should show restraint” without taking into account: a) Obama is neither president nor secretary of state and hence has no authority to issue warnings on behalf of the government; b) the United States has relatively little, if any, clout over the Russians or, apparently, even over the Georgians; and c) the Georgia situation is not one-sided. Hence Obama’s reaction was entirely appropriate, unlike that of John McCain.
Arthur Walsh excoriated another writer for opposing offshore oil drilling. His reasoning, however, is curious, namely that it will be at least 10 years before alternative fuels become widely available. It would be interesting to know how long Walsh believes it will take for offshore drilling to significantly increase our oil supply? By most reckoning, it will take 10 years, and in the meantime demand will be rising here and abroad, sustaining high oil prices.
The answer clearly involves all the alternatives: conservation, drilling, where it will do relatively little environmental damage, plus full-speed ahead on alternative fuels.
Flo Beckler, Naples
Letter: Taxing outlook
Editor, Daily News:
We might have the option this November to vote to cut property taxes by raising other taxes, depending on the outcome of a lawsuit that has been filed to block the referendum.
Amendment 5, the “Property Tax Swap Amendment,” would reduce property taxes 25 percent. Other taxes would increase, including a rise in the state sales tax from 6 percent to 7 percent. When you do the math, it appears that the tax swap would end up being a huge tax increase, i.e., Amendment 5 is an $11 billion mandate that provides only $7 billion in tax relief or a $4 billion tax increase.
The Florida Legislature already has authority to shift school funding from local property taxes to state sources, e.g., a sales tax. Having Amendment 5’s mandate chiseled in stone in the state constitution would deny future legislators the flexibility they may need to address changing situations.
The fatal flaw in Florida taxes, now, is unconstrained growth in expenditures. We have a sales-tax system riddled with over $23 billion in loopholes or exemptions that should be re-examined for legitimacy, e.g., ostrich feed, luxury skyboxes, etc., to see if they still stand up to real scrutiny. More to the point, government needs to go on a diet.
Our commissioners acted wisely in accepting a millage-neutral budget for the coming year. Doing so, they exercised fiscal responsibility without jeopardizing public health or safety.
Dennis P. Vasey, Naples
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Elizabeth, Elizabeth, What are you saying?
Because you do not own a texting cellphone, you are not voting for Obama?
Finally a candidate that is reaching out to the formerly very apathetic youth of our country.Hallelujah!
Trust me, you will not need text messaging or instant messaging to to help the elderly hang on to medicare and social security. Nor will your textmessaging be needed to end the reign of historic corporate corruption of the past 7 years.
All it will take is a simple vote for Obama.
#1 Posted by opnmind on August 24, 2008 at 7:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
George Brondsema, "If he doesn’t like McCain for whatever reason, he is entitled to vote against him, but he hasn’t earned the right to stand in judgment of his military service."
Shocking! That someone would sully a military man for political reasons. How right you are! Now I shake my head in amazement: how did you feel about the horrific swiftboating of Kerry and Cleland?
The left is very respectful of all those military men, including McCain's military record. It seems however, if you are a democrat, the rules change: from Kerry,to Cleland to John Riccio...the rhetoric is vicious and lethal.
Hypocrisy = republican.
#2 Posted by opnmind on August 24, 2008 at 7:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Sen. Barack Obama's wife and three close advisers have been involved with a program at the University of Chicago Medical Center that steers patients who don't have private insurance -- primarily poor, black people -- to other health care facilities."
http://www.suntimes.com/news/politics...
#3 Posted by GoneFishin on August 24, 2008 at 8:12 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Why doesn't Obama buy the land from Rezko? It can't be developed without an easement. It is just taking taxes from Rezko, who claims he has no money.
#4 Posted by GoneFishin on August 24, 2008 at 8:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Interesting 60 Minutes segment about the Marines murdering all those children in Haditha. A two year old girl......
The true cost's of Bush's folly will take years to surface.
Neocons haven't figured out we can't kill'em as fast as we make'em.
#5 Posted by boulderbilly on August 24, 2008 at 8:35 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If you google swiftboat vets it's apparent that none of them were there either when Kerry did whatever he did to earn that medal and even his ex-C.O. is a little fuzzy when pushed. No wonder the term "swiftboating" has joined getting "borked" in the lexicon.
#6 Posted by AARGGHHH on August 24, 2008 at 8:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Ouch Algon,
Ya gottem there.
Let the DANCIN, DANCIN, DANCIN begin!!!!!!!!
LOL.
#7 Posted by boulderbilly on August 24, 2008 at 8:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
What do you call a politician who publically belittled a candidate for the supreme court back in the nineties? Will the real Joe Biden/Mr. Personality please stand up?
How do you win a discussion with a Liberal? Facts and more facts!!!
Conservatives: Quit picking on the Liberals/Left. It is not fair! You are experienced and educated, where as for the most part they are not. Shame on you!
Again leave Braco alone! He only wants what is good for everyone else... YOUR MONEY!!! He is trying to get his half brother at least a matching $1.00 per month from your contributions. How can you fault that sympathy? You know his half brother? The one who lives in squalor! Yea that one!
Please pass the "KOOL AIDE"!
#8 Posted by knital on August 24, 2008 at 8:48 p.m. (Suggest removal)
AhHaHaHaHa. In 2003, Biden urged Kerry to pick McCain as his running mate and that gets deleted from wiki!
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/tom-blum...
#9 Posted by GoneFishin on August 24, 2008 at 9:01 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Not that I care about Larry Sinclair, but this is interesting.
For Barack Obama to choose Biden is simply Watergate suicidial. For Biden to willingly jump on a ticket considering the outright unAmerican thuggery he has had his boy carrying out against Lawrence Sinclair in the biggest gay bashing in history, is just begging for impeachment and prison time for him.
For a review of Joe Biden's accomplishments:
1. He had the Delaware Attorney General's office [Biden's son] create a bogus Grand Jury indictment.
2. He had the DC police illegally arrest and detain Lawrence Sinclair.
3. While in custody he deprived Mr. Sinclair of his needed medications as he has a brain tumor.
4. While in custody he had the DC police "loose" Mr. Sinclair so legal counsel could not find him.
5. While in custody he deprived Mr. Sinclair of phone access.
6. While in custody he had the Federal Attorney attempt to hold Mr. Sinclair indefinitely on outrageously high bail.
http://waronyou.com/forums/index.php?...
#10 Posted by GoneFishin on August 24, 2008 at 9:20 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Yeah, GoneCrabbin got a lil carried away. Too bad. He was entertaining and had an original thought process.
We're gonna miss him.
#11 Posted by boulderbilly on August 24, 2008 at 9:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gonefishin...re post #14
an anonymous poster with no source proof on an nondescript site????
not very creditable!!!!
#12 Posted by Canuck on August 24, 2008 at 9:40 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Not very credible?
He'll be freakin invisible tomorrow.
#13 Posted by boulderbilly on August 24, 2008 at 9:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
R.I.P. GF.
#14 Posted by boulderbilly on August 24, 2008 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
the karl rove group is at it again -if you have nothing positive to offer in policy invent stories and numbers -lie gossip and so on
#15 Posted by welcome02 on August 24, 2008 at 9:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The truth on the Rumsfeld firing has been recently released.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kDSFZJ...
#16 Posted by boulderbilly on August 24, 2008 at 10:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Gonefishin a.k.a. Rejoice: Hope you take some time to watch the Democratic convention. It will be good for your ulcers - all of them.
That Planning & Development Board knowledge on easements and property is very impressive. Here I thought you only knew about all kinds of "carp". Any "bites" on Biden yet? Is he a bigot? I heard he gave Justice Thomas a "hard" time. Did he try to "abort" his nomination? Ooooh.
#17 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 24, 2008 at 10:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
gonefishing,knital and all those republican supporters...
facts, just facts...your leader.
brilliant
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UyAdhV...
#18 Posted by opnmind on August 24, 2008 at 10:22 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Knital: You don't have to ask for the Kool Aid. It is very apparent you are and have been on it for some time now. What happened to your daily greeting to be nice and love one another? Did you fall off the wagon for a couple of days?
#19 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 24, 2008 at 10:25 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice just can't stomach the fact that the next President of the United States is not a white man.
The horror!!!!!!!!!!!
LMAO.
Gonna be all kinds of change to get used to Rejoice.
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!!!!!!
#20 Posted by boulderbilly on August 24, 2008 at 10:32 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice is gettin' the boot as well?
Too bad.
Soo sad.
#21 Posted by boulderbilly on August 24, 2008 at 10:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Gonefishin a.k.a. Rejoice: What's this about the Democrats saying Obama graduated from Harvard University with honors. What's the big deal? Isn't that the school where any "affirmative action" student can get in by GOP advocate claims? Also, who are the LIARS that are saying that MCCain got into the Naval academy because his dad was an admiral. I never heard of such thing. What a slur. What do your u-tube "sources" say about this "mix up"?
#22 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 24, 2008 at 10:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Obama, the first American Idol to run for prezident.
You fools get to call people racists, then you go and whine to the moderator.
#23 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 7:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
jimboaw - instead of looking at a picture, why not google "obama house yard access". There is no gate in the wall except from Obama's property.
Just another little more bad judgment from Obama.
#24 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Did y'all see the idiots protesting in Denver? Cindy Sheehan and the like making their voices heard (some while wearing masks). Gonna be some good times in Denver. Tear gas, mass arrests, but hey, they gave their homeless some free haircuts!
#25 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 8:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
U.S. Border patrol really on guard for those illegal aliens!!!!!!
August 25, 2008
THE WAR ON TERROR
Canucks rescued, then jailed
Near-drowning leads to time in U.S. pokey
By MARC KILCHLING, SUN MEDIA
The Toronto Sun
Catherine Kerr of Scarborough got her two Sea-Doos back from U.S. authorities in Lewiston, N.Y., but she had to leave her boyfriend Jason Haist behind in jail. (VERONICA HENRI/Sun Media)
Two Toronto-area men are behind bars in a Buffalo detention centre after a dramatic rescue from the Niagara River resulted in them being charged with making an "illegal" entry into the U.S..
Jason Haist, of Scarborough, along with his cousin Edward Haist, were riding Sea-Doos up and down the river Saturday evening when they were knocked into the water after hitting strong currents near Devil's Hole State Park.
Edward washed up on the U.S. shore while Jason was pulled out of the river -- unconscious and suffering from a head injury -- by personnel on a tour boat.
The United States Coast Guard took Jason, who was wearing only a lifejacket and swim trunks, off the tour boat and transported him to Mount St. Mary's Hospital in Lewiston, N.Y., for treatment.
Catherine Kerr, Jason's live-in girlfriend, later received a shocking message: Jason was going to be jailed for making an illegal entry into the U.S..
"He told me he had an accident and needed help but that the border patrol was coming to take him to jail," said Kerr, a Scarborough resident.
Both Jason and Edward were taken into custody by the U.S. Border Patrol and placed in the Buffalo Federal Detention Facility.
"They're being administratively charged with failure to report on landfall in the States," said A.J. Price, a border patrol agent with U.S. Customs and Border Protection.
"I don't think it's fair," said a nervous Kerr, who spent a near sleepless night shaking and "freaking out."
"It was an accident and not like he had a choice what hospital to go to. Here's a guy who was drowning and lucky enough to be saved -- and now he faces this."
According to Kerr, Jason had asked and obtained permission from the U.S. Border Patrol to ride his Sea-Doo back and forth across the unseen border that runs down the middle of the Niagara River.
Price, meanwhile, said that while it's possible to go on both sides of the border on the river, a person must report to the appropriate authorities upon landing on American soil.
"We have no discretion in the matter and that's why we're giving it to an immigration judge," Price said.
The two men will attend a closed hearing before an immigration judge today. It's expected, they'll either be issued a removal order and deported back to Canada or the judge may dismiss the charges against them
#26 Posted by Canuck on August 25, 2008 at 8:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Canuck, that's what you get for riding SeeDoos. ;)
#27 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 8:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
V. Bailey....Why should someone pay for land to keep the ashes that someone else refused to accept? Maybe keeping ashes is not that important to everyone.
Art Largent...one letter every 2 weeks is the same are 26 letters per year. What don't you understand?
Elmer Jance....I have more blips now then I had before the rate increase! Now that gas has gone down a little, will FPL rates go back down? NO.
Moates...Good letter!
naplesbob...my parents do NOT own a computer nor a cell phone. Not everyone has them.
#28 Posted by eaglebeak on August 25, 2008 at 8:22 a.m. (Suggest removal)
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
The new FIRST MAMMA just arrived here in Colorado. It is going to be sooo refreshing to have a first lady that is not a neocon Stepford Wife. Ain't gonna be any condescending children books for her to pen. Time for real change.
WELCOME MICHELLE!!!!!!!!!
And it appears the new mcsame ad about Hillary has backfired. She is furious about mcsame twisting her role and called their ad "a despicable act by a failed campaign pushing a failed ideology."
#29 Posted by boulderbilly on August 25, 2008 at 9:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
naplesbob...thank you for your 'nice' response.
(heart-felt)
My parents won't get a cell phone, although us 3 children have tried! They're both 79, nearing 80 and we're concerned.
It is so difficult raising parents!
#30 Posted by eaglebeak on August 25, 2008 at 9:09 a.m. (Suggest removal)
jimboaw, try to explain it away. It was a gift of $500,000+.
Blinders are fine for you liberals, eh?
#31 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 9:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Then there is the question of where the Rezkos got the money to buy that piece of land. Somehow he got a multi-million dollar loan, just in time to buy that property.
#32 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 9:17 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Then there is the magic time line of Obama changing his opinion of the Iraq war to being un-winnable.
Miraculously, Obama changed his mind two weeks after Rezko lost the power plant deal in Iraq.
Smells like bait.
I'm sure the good stuff will start to come out once the Obamanomination is finalized in his big rock star speech.
#33 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 9:21 a.m. (Suggest removal)
eaglebeak...re #51
we all reach an age... where the parents become the children and the children become the parents!!!
it's inevitable
#34 Posted by Canuck on August 25, 2008 at 9:30 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It has been announced by the youthful and upbeat OBAMANATION campaign that Rage Against the Machine will provide the entertainment at the national unification party in Denver.
On the other hand, the Beachboys will play in Minneapolis for the republican convention. LMAO.
I know, I thought they were all dead too.
Mcsame has insisted upon their appearance. In lieu of an acceptance speech. the old guy wants to sing an acceptance song....
Bomb, bomb, bomb,
Bomb, bomb, Iran......
Soooo sad, soooo out of touch. Sooo out of date.
Gonna be a whole lot of white in Minniapolis. Reminds mcsame of a happier time, the 50's, when he was middle aged, productive, and old white guys called the shots.
The times, they are a changin'....
The republicans remind one of the complete disintegration the DEMOCRATS went through during the Reagan fiasco.
#35 Posted by boulderbilly on August 25, 2008 at 9:40 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Good morning from "PARDISE" the land of the free
and the home of the brave. Anyone who served their country in time of war, knows how "scared at times" it is to be brave. My service time was war free. Thank you for "your bravery"!
How do you make a Liberal/Left crynlike a baby? Present facts to off set their fiction.
How about the Dems ticket? A guy who has hung around with "dubious characters" most of his life/has a negative view of the USA and his running mate, "Mr Personality" who was also convicted by his student/faculity board in college for stealing other peoples thoughts/opinions for his thesis.
No wonder the Liberals/left drink cool aide! You people have to!
Have a great day and a better tommorow.
#36 Posted by knital on August 25, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Boulder Billy:
From Wickipedia regarding Haditha:
"As of June 17, 2008, six defendants had their cases dropped and one was found not guilty. The exception is SSgt. Wuterich, whose trial date has been postponed."
Haditha is turning out to be hysterical anti-war propaganda propounded by Congressman John Murtha for political gain. 60 Minutes "facts" are no more credible than Canuck's, Algonquin's and Dan Rather's.....
#37 Posted by roadhouse on August 25, 2008 at 9:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Tom Macchia To bad your wife got upset about Mccain 's voting record.so did I.I don't know who you spoke too but I suggest you go to google and insert mcCain voting for vets and go to the Dallas Morning news and read this.That should alarm vets and disappoint alot of Americans.Tom do a little more research next time you open your mouth.
That goes double for you moron rejoice
Chet Edwards, coy on VP prospects, takes lead in attack on McCain record on veterans
2:49 PM Sun, Aug 17, 2008 | Permalink | Yahoo! Buzz
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Of all the pols on the short and not-so-short lists, Rep. Chet Edwards hasn't exactly been the most visible surrogate for Barack Obama. In fact, the Waco Democrat has laid low for the past month and a half, since House Speaker Nancy Pelosi started to publicly push him as her favorite VP pick.
But Sunday afternoon, Edwards took on the role of lead attack dog as Democrats put on pre-buttal conference call ahead of GOP Sen. John McCain's speech tomorrow to the Veterans of Foreign Wars convention in Orlando. (Obama speaks there Tuesday, and President Bush a day later.)
"Sen. Obama, unlike Sen. McCain, will put expansion of health care services for veterans as a higher priority than tax cuts for people making $1 million a year," Edwards said, arguing that some of McCain's policies would actually restrict access to VA health care for middle income veterans.
Regardless of McCain's heroism when he served in uniform, Edwards said, the Arizona senator's record on veterans health care and benefits is "bad" and "failed."
Edwards chairs the appropriations subcommittee that handles billions for veterans affairs and military construction, and is well liked by veterans groups. Not so much McCain, he asserted Sunday.
"Check the voting records of the major veterans service organizations and I think you'll be surprised as many others have been to find out that many of the respected veterans groups rate Sen. McCain's votes on veterans' health care and benefits very low."
Towit, he said: a 39 percent lifetime voting record from the Disabled American Veterans (Edwards spoke at their convention last week in Las Vegas), compared to an 89 percent rating for Obama. "I think that'll surprise a lot of Americans, and disappoint a lot of veterans," Edwards said, before ticking off another blasteding testimonial. "The Iraq and Afghan War Veterans give McCain a D as in David, and Obama a B+ -- B as in brother."
#38 Posted by jfriccio38 on August 25, 2008 at 9:55 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Does anyone think that McCain is going to pick Lieberman as his running mate?
If he does I think it will really shake up a number of the bloggers on this site. Should be interesting.
#39 Posted by reasonableguy on August 25, 2008 at 10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
reasonable: I'd say Romney is a more likely choice, but that would definitely get the country to recognize the center.
#40 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 10:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
MICHELLE O. was compared to another famous O, Jackie, by mainstream, middle America media all morning.
Can ya feel it, the change?
The BOSS, a national representative of the blue collar, middle class American that has suffered sooo much the last eight years, will play at the OBAMANATION FESTIVITIES tonight!!!!!!!!!!!
HAPPY DAYS ARE HERE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!!!
IT'S THE NEW DEAL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#41 Posted by boulderbilly on August 25, 2008 at 10:19 a.m. (Suggest removal)
It has been announced that VP Cheney has been put in charge of finding the "best man" for mcsame's vp.
We all know what happened last time he was given that responsibility.
His office announced that he will reveal the choice when he gets back from Georgia. When questioned, the VP responded "I got more important blasted things to do. This may be our last chance to engage the Russians and see what they're made of. And I've always thought the best route to Tehran is through Moscow."
#42 Posted by boulderbilly on August 25, 2008 at 10:25 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"The left is very respectful of all those military men, including McCain's military record."
Bullschmidt. Most of the people on the left that I know were so upset to hear the surge was working, that there's no doubt in my mind they couldn't care less about the troops.
They would rather see American soldiers die than have to give credit to the Bush admin for one right decision.
#43 Posted by mthalo on August 25, 2008 at 10:41 a.m. (Suggest removal)
naplesbob....I understand there was no disrespect intended. It WAS heartfelt when I said thank you.
They won't listen to good old common sense. just as I didn't listen when I was young. What goes around, comes around.
#44 Posted by eaglebeak on August 25, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
naplesbob -
I don't have a cell phone. I don't feel I need one. I'm 84. Why aren't there any directories for cell phones? How can a person find out a person's cell phone number without a directory?
No wonder everyone is in debt and people live beyond their means. It is very expensive to live now days with all the modern technology. It's especially hard on older people who live on a small amount of income.
When I was a boy, I never heard of all the stuff people have now days. I'm not sure that all our modern inventions are such a good thing. People used to have time to read. It's hard now days to keep up with everything.
I can't understand why people have to be talking to other people all the time on their cell phones. You can't go any place without seeing people talking on cell phones. What do they talk about? It's dangerous to drive a car and talk on cell phones. If I want to tell someone something, I use my regular phone or send an email.
I guess I'm just old-fashioned. I've only had a computer for a little over a year. I guess the world is changing all the time.
When I was a boy, my father had a model A Ford. The phone was a crank phone where you had to ring shorts and longs to talk to anyone. For long distance, you had to ring for the operator. I was born before rotary phones were invented. The last few years have seen a lot of changes.
#45 Posted by rationalman on August 25, 2008 at 11:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
P.S. I don't think all our modern inventions are good for the environment. Computers are made with lead, and can cause health problems unless properly disposed of. All our technological things are causing a lot of disposal problems. If thrown in the trash, the poisons can leach into our drinking water. Old television sets, computers, cell phones, etc. are often sent to third world countries to be dimantled and recycled. Some of those people take no precautions and are subject to radiation and lead poisoning.
I don't know what's ahead for the human race, but we are manufacturing a lot of poisons, which will have a negative effect on life on Earth. Some garbage dumps throughout the world are poisoned by throwing cell phones, computers and televisions in the garbage dumps.
The Earth has never known a time when there was so much trash and toxic materials as there is now days. Our cars and trucks are fowling the air and land. The oceans are dying. Maybe our conveniences will eventually destroy us.
#46 Posted by rationalman on August 25, 2008 at 11:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
rational,
mcsame feels the same about such a rapidly developing world as well. Change can be scary. And things happen sooo fast. Having Co-President Cheney at his side will bring him comfort.
Of course the Naval Medical Unit responsible for the Pres. and VP are having a coronary considering the medical ramifications of two men in the autumn of their lives.
#47 Posted by boulderbilly on August 25, 2008 at 11:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
boulderbilly -
What does McCain have to do with what I had to say? Everything isn't political. I don't think the destruction of the environment is political. It's a human problem. Of course, the Bush administration hasn't been good for the environment, but I'm not sure any politician is going to change things much. The economy would collapse if we didn't pollute the Earth. Our system is based on everything that pollutes and harms the environment.
None of us want to go back to the horse and buggy days. I don't either, but we are doing things that harm the Earth, just so that we can have a more comfortable life.
#48 Posted by rationalman on August 25, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
since Roadhouse found it necessary to include an insult to me in post #59 it gives me licence to comment on a subject that I would not normally
the complete story from Wikipedia:
The Haditha massacre was just as the name says..a massacre of innocent Iraq civilians..men,woman and children by US forces.... the report of which was falsified until uncovered by a Time magazine reporter...
of the 8 soldiers charged...7 has the chargesdropped.....not because the prosecution felt they were not guilty but the fact that Iraq witnesses would not be able to come to America to testify at a trial...hardly an exoneration
the commanding officer..LT.Col. Chessani was charged for not investigating the incident but had the charges stayed...which means they can be re-charged at a latter date....hardly an exoneration
the leader of the squad Staff Sgt. Wuterich has had the charges reduced to manslaughter,etc and will be tried at a later date
the facts of "60 minutes" are certainly more solid than the spin roadhouse wants to present
#49 Posted by Canuck on August 25, 2008 at 12:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
OBAMANATION insiders have revealed that one of the first acts of our new President will be bringing the National Anthem back into the classroom. Updated, of course.
One nation, under OBAMA, with liberty and justice for ALL.
Those that have read his acceptance speech compare it to OBAMAHAM LINCOLN and the Gettysburg Address.
#50 Posted by boulderbilly on August 25, 2008 at 1:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I didn't know Rejoice was a sunshinelover.
#51 Posted by boulderbilly on August 25, 2008 at 1:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
sunshinelover -
You can't judge a person by what their ancestors did. If that were the case we'd probably all be condemned.
You said that Obama is the white liberal's Christ. That is foolish talk. I don't think anyone thinks of Obama as their messiah or Christ. We are voting for a politician, a man, as our president. I doubt very much that what you wrote has any validity whatsoever.
Please keep religion out of the election. There is too much of it already without you muddying the waters any more.
I'm getting sick of this election. People are saying things that don't make any sense. Vote for who you want. Let everyone figure things out for themselves. I've been reading all the comments pro and con about Obama and McCain that I'm getting confused about either of them.
I will vote who I think can do the most good for the country. Their ancestry won't influnce my vote. It's what they are saying NOW and what they stand for that influences me.
I happen to like the Democratic platform best, and I don't like what McCain stands for, so I will vote for Obama. He's not Christ, neither is he perfect. No politician is Christ or perfect. We take what we get, warts and all.
#52 Posted by rationalman on August 25, 2008 at 1:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
re Post 65 mlthao
you said:
Most of the people on the left that I know were so upset to hear the surge was working, that there's no doubt in my mind they couldn't care less about the troops.
They would rather see American soldiers die than have to give credit to the Bush admin for one right decision.
Yeah the left just loves to see our neighbors and friends sons and daughters maimed and killed. What idiocy!
Straight out of the mouth of the Rush and Savage who spout such lies all day long. They repeat it often enough so you get brainwashed.
You gotta be really sick or whacked to repeat such absurdities.
Try listening to Thom Hartmann on Air America... 940 AM at 3pm.
A dose of reality coming your way!
#53 Posted by opnmind on August 25, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Let's see now; should you vote for a guy who graduated from Harvard with honors or for a guy who graduated from the Naval Academy at the bottom of his class? Oh, wait a minute, the latter was shot down over Hanoi and was a POW for 5 years. Patriotism dictates who you should vote for. It's our turn to get "shot down". One thing you have to admit about George W. Bush, he never got shot down and he never would get tangled up in anything, let alone a parachute.
#54 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 25, 2008 at 2:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, it looks like Rejoice couldn't clean up his thoughts enough to make this site. Can't say I miss him.
Sunshinelover, people like what Obama's message is. That and that the guy has the talent to make a darn good speech. There's nothing religious or mysterious about it.
What he says has substance. He gives people something to hope for, and they know how they feel, now they just have someone who can express their feelings in powerful ways.
So, all you goof balls who hang on worthless and often phony trivia, I guess substance is hard for you to grasp.
My problem with McCain is that he's scarier than heck. The guy shoots off his mouth without thinking. He thinks in simplistic terms because he doesn't know what depth and breadth are in a subject. Consequently he acts rashly. He spouts off rash remarks without thinking, and I'm very afraid he'll shoot from the hip, start another war for no good reason and put this country in a horror we haven't seen.
We're not talking about conventional weapons anymore. We're talking about Nukes, and in McCains hands I fear the nukes will be flying before we even know what happened.
Yes, we know he was a prisoner of war for 5 years. We know that's a terrible thing to suffer, but we also know that many soldiers cannot go through something like that without serious trauma.
And, going through something like that does not give him any special qualities to be president. It does not mean he's more experienced or can think better or anything like that. And at his age, going through that trauma along with age, I'd say that's a minus for being president which takes clarity, energy and strength.
We can respect and be grateful for the service done by our soldiers, and when they do extraordinary things they receive medals and honors which will show for many years their heroism.
#55 Posted by truthmatters on August 25, 2008 at 3:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
There were two exceptionally good letters today. One by Flo Beckler and the by Aaron Knott.
They addressed the lack of hearing the other side of the Georgian incidence.
Georgia, no matter how you look at it, started this whole fracas, and one has to wonder what in the world were they thinking to at this time invade the separatist province of South Ossetia. It seems that something is missing here.
I read the story in the NDN on Saturday about the South Ossetians, women, children, men, huddled in the basement of an old Synagogue, praying that God would save them.
Well, it looks like, after four days, God answered their prayers, and the Russians came to their rescue.
Listening to their terrible experience and how hundreds of Ossetians were just outright killed, mowed down by the Georgians in their butal attempt to take over that province and make it Georgia's elicits compassion for those people.
I'd say the Russians were Knights in Shining Armor to them, and now, for sure, they'll never want to be a part of Georgia with whom they have no affiliations or common background anyway.
I wonder why after 15 years of their independence Georgia desided now to invade them. Maybe they tried before; I don't know, but it seems strange that Georgia would do that now without outside assurance that they would be backed up. Maybe, we gave them that assurance. I wouldn't put it past Bush.
Also, notice how McCain, rash and thoughtless as always jumped right in and backed Georgia and offered them our promise to help rebuild them.
Good grief. Will those ignoramouses never quit?
#56 Posted by truthmatters on August 25, 2008 at 3:27 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Rationalman.....did you enjoy the opening prayer and gospel song? Did it send a warm tingly feeling up your leg?" posted by Rejoice #82. The answer to both questions is "no". I've said many times that I don't like religion mixed with politics. It doesn't matter to me whether they are Democrats or Republicans. When I say I will vote for Obama, that doesn't mean I approve of everything he or the Democrats say or stand for. I vote for the person I think will be best under the circumstances. None of them are saints.
#57 Posted by rationalman on August 25, 2008 at 3:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
truthmatters -
I think you are right about Georgia invading South Ossetia first. Why do nations want to keep people under their control who want independance or be part of another country? We see it all the time with dire consequences. The Kurds want their own nation, but Iran, Iraq, and Turkey want to keep them seperated in their countries. Why can't the Kurds have their own country? There seems to be so much injustice in this world that it is very disheartening. The larger powers want to fix borders disregarding the wishes of the people who live there. Israel and Palestinians can't get along, because everyone wants to change borders and invade each other. Why can't people live where they want and not be fighting all the time?
#58 Posted by rationalman on August 25, 2008 at 3:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
George Brondsema Your right i was not there to witness Kerry and Hagel's heroic actions. I also was not there when Audy Murphy won his medals for his heroic actions. Whats your point moron?
#59 Posted by jfriccio38 on August 25, 2008 at 4:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Attention all above posts!
Will someone ask Mr. Personality/Biden if I can go to a DUNKIN DONUTS for coffee, if I don't look like I am from India????
Will someone ask Mr. Personality/Biden, who "Braco America" is? That's what he referred to Braco as when he was introduced as VP.
How about Braco introducing Mr. Personality/Biden as the next President!!!???
You Libs/Dems are going to need all the help you can get with these two. We are going to see the Kool Aide stock soar for the next four months. You people should thank God for ASPRIN!!!!
The best thing Conservatives, Independents and all others should do, is to sit back, say nothing and observe "the greatest boondoggle the world has ever wittnessed.
#60 Posted by knital on August 25, 2008 at 4:03 p.m. (Suggest removal)
NotTheTruth,
You posted,"Also, notice how McCain, rash and thoughtless as always jumped right in and backed Georgia and offered them our promise to help rebuild them.
Good grief. Will those ignoramouses never quit"
I guesss you missed that obama also backed Georgia and as a bonus agreed with Joe Biden to pledge ONE BILLION to help them rebuild.
Now I agree, Will those ignoramouses never quit
#61 Posted by DinNaples on August 25, 2008 at 4:06 p.m. (Suggest removal)
jfriccio, people who served in Vietnam know the Kerry story and how he came up with his story. He's a guy who went to Nam with cameras and an agenda. Stayed three months, three months of a years tour after he got his pictures and obtained his Purple Hearts, wounds which never gave him scars, never caused him to miss duty,and allowed him to move on to be an Admiral's Aide. He bailed out. Your hero bailed out. And that's only the beginning of that guys story. Some hero.
#62 Posted by DinNaples on August 25, 2008 at 4:16 p.m. (Suggest removal)
A picture is worth a thousand words........
Grasshopper, you have learned well....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cN10_6...
#63 Posted by boulderbilly on August 25, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
DinNaples, I noticed that after Obama was criticized for saying in the beginning of the Georgia and Russian invasion that we should keep cool and go to the UN for a non partisan look at the situation. It's somewhat involved and takes some discussion and probably compromise to settle this vast disagreement between those three groups since Abskazia is involved too.
What we don't want to do is immediately blame and alienate Russia. They feel they have a valid reason for doing what they did.
I think because everyone was jumping on the Georgian bandwagon that Obama did too, and I didn't like that. His first response, his gut response, was correct. The second was a worry people would perceive him on the wrong side. That was political expediency, and something we know they all do.
#64 Posted by truthmatters on August 25, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Eddie, I was listening to some music today and realized that Elvis wrote this song for you.
I'm serious in a way.
You might not like it because it is of my generation, but Elvis Costello is a true genius.
The video has crappy sound, but you can hear the lyrics clearly.
Maybe you can understand a bit more by watching.
Maybe you can find peace in music.
I truly hope so.
Obama doesn't rock.
ELVIS ROCKS!
http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=-3ZXdvN...
#65 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 4:28 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Hope John took his viagra or poor Debbie would have laughed at the lil maverick.
#66 Posted by boulderbilly on August 25, 2008 at 4:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Truth,
That statement tells a lot about you and others that simply dismiss facts and state what you would wish to be true. It isn't. Please, be honest.
#67 Posted by DinNaples on August 25, 2008 at 4:39 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Uh, Oh!
"Biden has deep ties to Rezko accomplice"
http://www.suntimes.com/news/metro/re...
AhHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHaHa!
#68 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 4:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
friccio...
I ask you months ago to come on down to the VFW and have a talk with me and some of the guys or come on over to Rolling Thunder Chapter 2 Florida and lets discuss your views. Have not seen you. I guess you're only around when there is a camera on the beach....a little afraid to talk to some real vets I guess.
But you call people morons, you are a punk.
#69 Posted by truth on August 25, 2008 at 4:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I see freakio got called out by another for using names without permission.
Typical!
#70 Posted by GoneFishin on August 25, 2008 at 4:59 p.m. (Suggest removal)
In #74, Boulder Billy says that the "National Anthem" is going to be put back into schools, then references the Pledge of Allegiance.
Must be having a Rocky Mountain High - now that the cops won't be arresting people in Boulder for smoking grass during the convention. Or, maybe he just got back from the zoo, or his free haircut?
Will this be done in all of Obama's 58 states?
#71 Posted by jkalvin on August 25, 2008 at 5:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"Yeah the left just loves to see our neighbors and friends sons and daughters maimed and killed. What idiocy!
Straight out of the mouth of the Rush and Savage who spout such lies all day long. They repeat it often enough so you get brainwashed."
No, straight out of my mouth, after extended discussions with real people. I don't give a flying **** what Rush, Savage or Hartmann think.
If it's between that and admitting Bush made a correct decision, the left says "to hell with the troops".
That, Opnmind, is why I support a reinstatement of the draft.
#72 Posted by mthalo on August 25, 2008 at 5:05 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Truth You sound like a moron and I hate to waste my time and energy talking to people like you,but your welcome to come to the beach any time and show your ignorance to my friends.
#73 Posted by jfriccio38 on August 25, 2008 at 5:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
who is Donald Diamond and his connection in the US presidential race??
#74 Posted by Canuck on August 25, 2008 at 5:42 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Allgonquin999...thanks for that info...the Buffalo local TV station mentioned there was a scandal surrounding some forces base in California and his connection to one of the candidates....one of those "more news at 11" teasers.....I will try to google it but if you know anymore would appreciate it
#75 Posted by Canuck on August 25, 2008 at 5:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Knital: Witnessing a "boondoggle you say. That's exactly what we have been witnessing the last eight years of the Bush/Cheney administration. I hope that the Democratic National Convention can round up a posse to corral those cowboys and give them their due. If it were me, I'd HANG THEM HIGH! I'd also dig up Nixon and Hang his carcass next to them. The symbolism would demonstrate the corruption and evil that represents the "conservative" Republican agenda!
#76 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 25, 2008 at 6:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
"You support the reinstatement of the draft; what pray tell would that achieve?"
The same thing it achieves for the Israelis.
#77 Posted by mthalo on August 25, 2008 at 6:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Algonquin999..........thanks for the info re Diamond....I have found the info through google
interesting reading!!
#78 Posted by Canuck on August 25, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Post #117
"Sticks and stones may break my bones". I feel like I am in kindergarden...wait a minute..on this blog I am!
No offense agent 117, but there is a blog called "Comic Books or Us". More your intelligence level. Don't feel bad, Mr. Personality/Biden said the same thing in public to a reporter who wanted to know about Joe's cheating in college.
"BOONDOGGLE ON" as the Libs/Dems like to say.
The eye's of the world are watching!
Oh the shame...oh the inhumanity...oh my God it is the Democratic convention!
#79 Posted by knital on August 25, 2008 at 7:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, all this attack on Obama by people defending the worst administration in my lifetime is pretty amusing.
Where would one start: Enron, Bush AWOL, Bush a drunk until Laura was going to chuck him and then, oh, he had an awakening, he was born again. Well, he was born again all right, but where? He's still the failure he was and the liar too. Old Bushy boy had quite a past, so can we start talking about the future now?
Oh, first, I forgot,Cheney on Bush's vetting committee for V.P. appointed himself. What a guy!
Then McCain has the Keating five and a father in law connected to the mob years ago.
But, I'm interested in the future, and from what I can see, McCain is a non thinking, low intelligence, guy who blats off quickly without thinking what he's saying. He'd go to war in a second without even considering the down side or what it would take.
Now he seems to support the draft from what that one town meeting showed where he agreed with one of the attendees.
That's all we need is a draft for Bush/McCain to have more lives to play with, you know, like in a video game. After all, that bunch is like a bunch of kids who don't know foreign affairs or other countries or history or anything. And that's why we're in all this trouble.
Well, I'm sick of us being the dumpees and they being the dumpers. It's time we became the dumpers and dumped that whole bunch of them.
#80 Posted by truthmatters on August 25, 2008 at 7:49 p.m. (Suggest removal)
barack obama is a member of cfr, another puppet. barack= amnesty, new world order. north american union. we are screwed with mccane or obama. vote ron paul.
#81 Posted by lassie on August 25, 2008 at 8:34 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#91 Knital - "boondoggle" was your choice of words, or did all that "kool aid" your drinking kill too many brain cells left in your head? Hope you are enjoying the convention. How about that Ted Kennedy? Are you digging up any Chappaquidick "material" left out of the
GOP "playbook"? You know, that kindergarten stuff you recognize so well.
#82 Posted by Elephanttamer on August 25, 2008 at 9:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
re: post #57 by boulderbilly
You think Rage Against the Machine means Obama is in touch? They haven't done anything since the early 90's, at least anything worth noticing. How many of you Dem's can name a song from RATM? Exactly...
Beach Boys are timeless, everyone here can name at least one song. RATM - not so much.
#83 Posted by neapolitan12345 on August 26, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
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