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Letter of the Day: To your better health
Editor, Daily News:
Re: “Take care of yourself; schedule ‘well patient’ checkups,” by Allen Weiss, M.D., in Sunday’s Daily News.
I read it with interest and disappointment.
While extolling the virtues of high-tech and revenue-generating techniques like breast-cancer screening, colorectal screening and chemoprophylaxis (taking medicine to reduce disease risk), Weiss neglected to mention the two most important modifiable factors related to health and longevity: nutrition and exercise.
Indeed, according to the American Cancer Society, at least one-third of all cancer deaths are linked to diet and
physical inactivity.
It is no surprise that physicians typically ignore discussions of nutrition when evaluating health risk, as medical schools in America generally consider this topic to be irrelevant with respect to health. This is supported by a new study appearing in the American Journal of Clinical Nutrition, indicating that 60 percent of medical schools in the United States are not meeting minimum recommendations for their students’ nutrition education.
To learn more about food, fitness and cancer, visit the American Cancer Society’s Web site: www.cancer.org.
David Perlmutter, M.D., Naples, Fellow, American College of Nutrition
Letter: Like Collier, like Lee
Editor, Daily News:
I support the consolidation of the Collier County fire districts and emergency medical services into one new public-safety agency.
It is obvious to me the economics of scale and elimination of duplication of services will result in major taxpayer savings, with more efficient and streamlined performance. I wish them the best of luck in the study.
I will consider a similar consolidation in southern Lee County if elected to the fire commission of Bonita.
Steve Lohan, Bonita Springs, Bonita Fire Commission candidate
Letter: What it says to voters
Editor, Daily News:
Sarah Palin’s 17-year-old, unmarried daughter is pregnant! What message does this give our children in the United States and the world?
An ounce of prevention (a condom) or the moral application of abstinence would have prevented this lack-of-morality outcome.
To those who harp on the sin of the use of birth control I say, “Keep on keeping on” and vote for Barack Obama, you all!
John Lukosky, Naples
Letter: Factoids from afar
Editor, Daily News:
For years, the Daily News ran a column of trivia and unique facts by L.M. Boyd. It was a favorite of mine. Whatever happened to Mr. Boyd?
I found several interesting facts in Carl Sagan’s book “Billions & Billions.”
Alpha Centauri, the closest star to our solar system, is 25 trillion miles away.
Also, if your sixth great-grandfather put $10 in the bank at 7 percent interest 200 years ago, it would now be worth $7.5 million.
Sagan, in his book, also said there are 31.7 million seconds in a year. I came up with 31.536 million seconds in a 365-day year. Sagan was dying from a rare disorder when he wrote this last book, so that might account for his error.
I looked up a couple of galaxies on the Internet and found: The Milky Way, our galaxy, has 200 billion to 400 billion stars and has a diameter of 100,000 light years. The Andromeda galaxy has about 1 trillion stars and is 2.5 million light years away from us.
My burning question is this: How many miles are there in a light year?
Closer to home, the sun is 93 million miles from Earth and our moon is only 238,857 miles away.
On another side note, I read that the dainty little hummingbird has an average wing-beat of 53 times per second. The blue-throated hummingbird’s heartbeat has been recorded at 1,260 beats per minute.
Stephen R. McLean, Naples
Letter: No experience?
Editor, Daily News:
A message to the Republican Party:
By now all the “boo birds” of the Democratic Party are out accusing Sarah Palin of having no foreign policy experience, etc. However, there once was another case of the same ilk that we seem to have forgotten.
Back in 1944, when Franklin D. Roosevelt was running for his umpteenth term, it looked like he was not going to be able to carry the Midwest or Western states. He needed a vice-president selection that could help him. He finally settled on a little-known senator from Missouri.
The Republicans rose up in oratorical splendor and accused the Democrats of putting up someone with few leadership qualities and no foreign policy experience. What would the country do if the president died?
Soon after the election, FDR died of a massive stroke and the feisty little senator from Missouri became president. He was assailed by both parties, but he stood fast with his motto, “The buck stops here.”
He went on to help end World War II, to save Greece’s independence and then created the Marshall Plan to save Germany. To this day, the tallest statue in Athens, Greece, is of this little man that everyone said couldn’t cut it. He is now considered to be among the five greatest presidents in the history of our country.
This little man was Harry S. Truman from Independence, Mo. — the little World War I artillery officer who failed as a milliner but succeeded in bringing our country to greatness.
All of this with no foreign-policy experience.
Brian P. Kenedy, Bonita Springs
Letter: Please reconsider
Editor, Daily News:
I am a resident and owner at Bayfront, and I am writing this letter to express my deep concern and dissatisfaction over the proposed new restaurant/bar being constructed in the space now occupied by the Cabana Bar.
The structure’s final approval is obviously no longer going to be a cabana bar but rather a full-sized, concrete building.
It will have two 30-foot-high concrete towers and an even higher dome top.
If this structure is approved and built, I, as well as most of my neighbors, will no longer be able to enjoy the views that we originally purchased our properties to enjoy. That simply is not fair nor does it make any sense to me at all.
I also believe that this will add to lower property values as one of the biggest draws to ownership in Bayfront are the water views.
As of now the Cabana Bar is rarely full of patrons (especially out of season and during the week).
If you look at the trends, it has mostly become a happy-hour spot. I do not see why its size needs to be increased or who will benefit other than the developer! There are currently three restaurants (that I know of) in Bayfront already.
Please reconsider the size of the structure versus the need to serve Naples and its residents. Bayfront, as it stands alone, is featured in pictures in almost every Naples, local, Florida and national publication. It has become an icon because of its uniqueness and beauty. If this structure is approved, that surely will change.
John Wisniewski, Naples and Albany, N.Y.
Letter: Victor to the victor
Editor, Daily News:
The citizens of Collier County have selected their first new sheriff in two decades and I personally congratulate the new sheriff-elect, Kevin Rambosk, on his victory and for participating in a spirited but honorable campaign.
I strongly believe in our democratic process as it allows the citizenry to express their concerns and opinions by having a choice in their candidate. However, I am disappointed that less than 20 percent of the registered voters exercised this right.
I want to personally thank all of my supporters who recognized the need for change and stood up with me for what they believe in. As we identified problems within our Sheriff’s Office, we all hope that Kevin Rambosk appreciates these concerns, and I believe he’ll respond with fiscal responsibility and an improved brand of community policing along with a more transparent administration.
Thanks again for all of your support.
Victor Ortino, Naples, Former candidate for Collier County sheriff
Letter: The way it works?
Editor, Daily News:
I work for a medical group in Naples and every year we renew our city license and we receive at least three to four more notices stating we need to send in a payment.
I called the city the other morning and stated I had already sent in my payment — so why are we getting notices?
A staff member stated it takes too much time to enter in the computer system that the payment has been received, so when you receive the notice just ignore it.
I stated it must be very costly to send three to four notices to city business owners when they have already submitted payment.
She stated it is the way the system works.
Sharon Schuyler, Naples
Letter: Hats off
Editor, Daily News:
I just finished reading about Gordon Vanscoy’s “big-time dilemma” concerning his son’s cap during a recent dining outing.
You stated that “as we were seated outdoors, my son Gannon was publicly informed by the manager that he must remove his hat.”
Now, let’s stop here for a moment. I would love to know what exactly happened next. As I saw by his picture published with the letter, this gentleman is no kid — probably around 20 years old, give or take a little.
You next told us that you were taken aback by this rather “bizarre” request and wanted to speak to the manager; and when he did arrive, you walked away from the table so as “not draw any attention.”
Believe you me, sir, I can almost guarantee you that by this time you had plenty of others’ attention.
So, I’m still wondering. What was Gannon doing during this time? Crying that he had to (and should have) removed his hat? Or sitting there, sulking as “daddy” made a scene about it?
I would hope that he would have known better, but with you fighting his “battles,” I feel sorry for him.
Just for the record, I, too, am part of the younger generation. My father was a Navy man for 20 years and out of sheer respect would never have pulled a stunt like yours — not without having that hat removed, along with my head.
Steven J. Zihala, Naples
Letter: Eating it up
Editor, Daily News:
The letter from the man whose son was asked to remove his cap while dining should never have made it to the realm of “news” and did not deserve to be in the paper.
However, you chose to print it and the restaurant’s perfectly formulated policy is now in the news. Good for whatever restaurant that was!
While the wearing of hats and caps while dining will not change the taste of the food, it is a small sign of the erosion of polite society and as such should be condemned. From the letter, it seems as if the owner was polite and asked for the cap to be removed. The refusal to do so and the objection to the policy constitute the only rudeness I could glean from the letter.
The restaurant has every right to set standards, and if the potential diners do not wish to abide by those standards, they have every right to go elsewhere.
The only problem I have with the letter is that the restaurant was not named. That deprives the rest of us of the chance to dine there and thank the owner for setting and maintaining standards.
Rich Hamilton, Naples
Letter: Bad is bad
Editor, Daily News:
My jaw dropped in disbelief that anybody would not only write a letter defending lousy etiquette, but submitting an incriminating photograph.
So, somebody’s son wanted to wear a Ralph Lauren Beijing driving cap at the dinner table! I don’t care if that son wanted to wear the headdress of an Aztec prince. It is still bad manners!
I learned at the age of 6 that males don’t wear hats seated at a dining table — as well as other places. Somebody is in dire need of an education.
Can you give me the name of the restaurant involved? I want to patronize the place.
Imagine a business that places common-sense etiquette ahead of a cash register key!
Ben Ortiz, Naples
Letter: Mother knew best
Editor, Daily News:
My hat is off to the restaurant owner on Third Street South who requested a young man remove his hat at the dining table.
I am appalled at the lack of respect and upbringing our young have today. At my mother’s table, inside or out, you were not allowed to partake of a meal without a shirt on or with a hat on your head.
There is a time and place for everything, and the table where you eat is not the place where a gentleman wears a hat.
In the 17th edition of “Emily Post’s Etiquette,” on Page 46 it says (and I paraphrase): at mealtimes, at the table, in restaurants and coffee shops, no hats should be worn.
Lee Lyon, Naples
Letter: What this says is ...
Editor, Daily News:
I was a poll watcher on Aug. 26.
Everyone should be a poll watcher once. I saw no less than 25 people involved in the voting process (actual paid, maybe some volunteers, poll workers).
There were people who directed voters where to go; who checked them in; advised how to proceed; showed how to record the ballot; were there to show people how to use the ballot; came to collect or record the ballot — some people I could not figure out what they were doing — and people who were supervising the polling place.
There were actually two precincts in one location. There was a total of about 300 votes actually cast. That represents one person per eight votes — from 7 a.m. to 7 p.m.
Now those same 300 people could have gone to ATM machines and made hundreds of thousands or millions of dollars in transactions in less than one hour with zero people, high security and very high confidence.
Anyone who thinks government can do anything better, please reread this.
Bruce Reichert, Bonita Springs
Letter: Heck, it could be much worse
Editor, Daily News:
I find it both ironic and disturbing that Sarah Palin was introduced to the public as Hurricane Gustav approached the Gulf Coast.
I fear that we may be forced to endure yet another “Heck of a job, Brownie!” moment in the future.
Should this be the case, the consequences of placing someone in such a critical position for the wrong reasons might prove to be much more dire.
A.J. Kennedy, Naples
Letter: An embarrassment for all
Editor, Daily News:
John McCain’s hasty decision in selecting “the perfect running mate” is an embarrassment to educated women of all political persuasions, especially with the news about Sarah Palin’s daughter.
This doesn’t speak well about McCain’s judgment — or Palin’s either. It does, however, speak volumes about a mother who would subject her 17-year-old pregnant daughter, the father of the child and his family to public scrutiny of their personal situation.
Palin says the family is “delighted.” Really? A more appropriate statement would be: “Our daughter has our unconditional love and support.” At five months pregnant, her daughter will be having her first child in the December/January time frame. A caring mother would be there to guide her young daughter through a significant time in her life, help her stay in school, focus on her education till the baby was born, and be with her during the delivery.
Sadly, Palin didn’t have the good sense to put her family first with all she currently has on the plate: governor of Alaska, her own new baby with Down syndrome, a son heading to Iraq, a pregnant daughter and younger children still at home.
If McCain was really serious about “family values,” he should have encouraged Palin to make the right decision and not accept the vice president slot. Perhaps it’s time to rethink New Age family values and abstinence-only sex education in our schools.
Most of all, I feel sorry for Palin’s daughter. How humiliating — and all because of her mother’s and McCain’s misguided political aspirations.
Donna Carty, Naples
Letter: ’Breath of fresh air’
Editor, Daily News:
Letter-writer Richard Davignon had it all wrong in his letter headlined “Comforting?”
He goes on to say, “Vice President Sarah Palin? One heartbeat away? Sleep well, citizens.”
The first thing that came to my mind was, Barack Obama, one vote away? Sleep well, citizens.
Palin would make a wonderful leader of this country. I especially appreciate that she is not part of the Washington “good old boys” circle, and she is closer to the majority of the people in this country.
Mother of five with a son on his way to Iraq, hunter, fisherman and a history of standing up to Big Oil and the people in her own party. I say she is a breath of fresh air that we need today.
A person who is fiscally responsible with conservative values, she is the real “change” and “hope” that will keep our country going in the right direction.
Joe Funigiello, Naples
Letter: Not such a beauty
Editor, Daily News:
The first “presidential” decision the nominee makes is to name a vice-presidential running mate.
The underlying litmus test, at least from the public’s perception, is that the person chosen should be qualified to be president. In the case of a 72-year-old nominee, this takes on even more significance.
John McCain shocked the nation and scooped the post-Democratic National Convention news cycle by choosing a self-proclaimed hockey mom and 11⁄2-year governor of Alaska, Sarah Palin.
Palin had been mayor of Wasilla, a town of 8,500 people, before becoming governor. Palin, in her presentation of her credentials to the nation, asked people to vote for her essentially because she is a woman and because McCain was a war hero.
For one who admittedly does not know much about the economy, why didn’t McCain choose a candidate that did? In a stunning show of cynicism, the senator, who has a virtual zero rating on his voting record on women’s issues, chose a woman obviously to get him elected.
He made sure, though, to choose one who wouldn’t be able to offer advice on any of the pressing issues. A runner-up in the Miss Alaska beauty contest will provide nice window dressing for the Republican National Convention.
In what could be the supreme case of irony, Hurricane Gustav heading to New Orleans may remind voters of President Bush’s response to Katrina and sink Republicans’ chances.
For New Orleans’ sake, let’s hope not.
Alan Buchholz, Naples
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The neocons idea of a corruption fighter, the beauty queen is one step away from indictment.
Watch what her local constituents and media think of Miss Reformer.......
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UojMn...
Hope she likes wearing an orange jump suit. No wonder the mini me folks just flew 24 lawyers up to Alaska.
#1 Posted by boulderbilly on September 3, 2008 at 7:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry, here is the link.....
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KsZO_e...
#2 Posted by boulderbilly on September 3, 2008 at 7:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh Lordy,
Did someone forget to tell the little girl to lose the daisy dukes? Jeez, she's 6 or 7 months along.
The marlboro dangling from her lips is a nice touch though for the southern tobacco states that are up for grabs.
LOL.
#3 Posted by boulderbilly on September 3, 2008 at 8:04 p.m. (Suggest removal)
She fired the guy for not being hard enough on bootleggers.
But forgot about her announcement several months earlier where SHE SAID she was going to promote him the Chief of the Alcohol Enforcement because of the wonderful job he was doing fighting alcohol as commissioner.
And forgot she was being taped making that claim.
OOOPPPSSSS.
#4 Posted by boulderbilly on September 3, 2008 at 8:09 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Stephen McLean (and post #4)
Light travels about 186,000 miles in a second, (pretty d*mned fast) and you've already computed how many seconds in a year. Just multiply the two together and you'll see why interstellar flight is so time consuming.
#5 Posted by AARGGHHH on September 3, 2008 at 9:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Oldtimer There's a saying you probably haven't heard. It goes like this: "There is no fool, like an old fool". You certainly confirm that adage with your posts on this blog! Well, feel assured. Euthanasia is not an option here. Maybe "Planned Euthanasia" could be a "coming idea" with guys like you running around? Oh! I'm just "joshing". You would do better with a brain transplant. Maybe you will get Johnny McCain's ?
#6 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 3, 2008 at 10:10 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Jerry Springer show continues.
Thank God for Mens Warehouse in the twin cities. Sparky looks good in his new suit!!!!!!
Family values on display.
Awwww shucks........
LOL.
#7 Posted by boulderbilly on September 3, 2008 at 10:37 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sarah is a "shoe in" for Mrs. America! Her speech is as "wholesome" as a conservative Republican speech writer can fabricate! The ex mayor of "palookaville" Alaska actually had the gall of using the word "responsibility" in her "experience". "The abstinence mom" sure proved that by show casing her unwed pregnant daughter to the world. Who said "flaunting" it doesn't work? Hypocrisy can be overcome if "you play your cards right". You just have to say so. Just ask the Republican "spin machine".
Palin is a hailing her laundry by saying she has the GOP backing to "pay" for it!
#8 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 3, 2008 at 10:47 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Sorry Donna Carty,
You should never underestimate your opponent, it just might come back to beat you. LOL
Tamer is just sad that she's straight.
#9 Posted by almasonlybar on September 3, 2008 at 11:56 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Junior,
Be careful. This ain't over yet.
#10 Posted by almasonlybar on September 3, 2008 at 11:58 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow al999,
You really are scared shirtless. Amazing that so-called adults respond this way. Fear does strange things to folks, I guess.
#11 Posted by almasonlybar on September 4, 2008 at 12:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I must admit folks, that Bambie came off as well as expected. She proudly displayed all that the mini me campaign could have ever hoped for.
THANK GOD!!!!!!!!!!!
THIS ELECTION IS OVER!!!!!!!!
That was the best they had to offer?
Who the hell is running that campaign and what IDIOT hired him?
LMAO.
The biggest obstacle PRESIDENT OBAMA faces from here forward is which Presidential desk he chooses for the Oval Office.
#12 Posted by boulderbilly on September 4, 2008 at 1 a.m. (Suggest removal)
This should be fun.
'Night
#13 Posted by almasonlybar on September 4, 2008 at 1:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Oh Algon,
ROFLMAO!!!!!!!!!!!
That's gonna be hard to beat.
I salute you!!!!
#14 Posted by boulderbilly on September 4, 2008 at 1:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Like, my name is Sarah, you know.
I'm so happy to be nominated VP, because you know, I just got my first passport. And I'd really like to experience other cultures, like way down in New Mexico. Everyone is dark there and speaks Spanish, you know.
#15 Posted by boulderbilly on September 4, 2008 at 1:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#35 "Anonymous 1000" Too bad that nurse in Illinois, Ms Stanek, didn't have you or Johhny McCain to "save" that aborted baby. The baby could have grown up to be a good solid Republican. But, you still can offer your time and money to help Sarah raise her down syndrome baby. Maybe not, she will have plenty of GOP sitters to do that for her while she solves all the problems George Bush created the last 8 years. After all, look how she "cleaned up" the GOP mess in Alaska. E-bay can use the business!!!
#16 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 4, 2008 at 4:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Ben and Lee,
You need some kind of life. So the kid wanted to keep his cap on. Society didn't crumble on that day. And who cares what Emily Post would say? She would inform you about which fork to use and to extend your pinkies. Don't we have enough serious problems to concern ourselves with now that to get caught up in drivel?
#17 Posted by GreenFlash8 on September 4, 2008 at 4:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
#17 Inquisitive You should "ask" (you like that? ask for inquisitive?) yourself will those polls get the "mayor of the Hanoi Hilton" and "the flying nun Palin" elected? It's just like political signs and bumper stickers. They don't vote. You Republicans will really have to resort to your 2000 Florida tactics to steal this one too. Surely you can bring down some of the Alaskan National Guard to scare the heck out all the minority voters while getting the college kids drunk or distracted. Even the seniors can be intimidated if you can get the ballot and voting machines positioned in a way as to confuse them. Pat Buchanan can help you with that "technique". He's an old "nixon hand"! Very "loyal" and pro life!!! He really knows what a woman goes through in a pregnancy. Such an expert?
#18 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 4, 2008 at 4:59 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Only one in ten women with a known Down sydrome fetus do not get thier pregnacy aborted.
Sarah Palin certainly is on the fringe of normality. Who will take care of this child who needs much more care from new born to death in her 40's?
Who will take care of Bristol's new baby while she is in school?
The one person we know who will NOT take care of these children is Sarah Palin who made the decision about herself and her daughters pregnancy.
A good mother? I don't think so.
#19 Posted by bossman1 on September 4, 2008 at 5:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gator, Let me remind You that this only becomes an issue and a Republican problem because the Republicans are on the extreme edge on birth control and prolife for [babies], NOT PROLIFE FOR ADULTS.. They use these issue's for political gain [ moral values ?].
John McCain, Palin, and the Republican party show they will do anything to keep control and power. They are embarrassing the United States 'again'.
#20 Posted by bossman1 on September 4, 2008 at 5:58 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gator, We all make choices in our life that effect others. If Palin deceided to have her Downs child that is her choice, but now she is running away from it's motherly care for her own political gain.
Bristol Palin is pregnant, did Mommy Palin really give HER a choice to keep this baby and get married at 17 years old or NOT?
Palin may be a good soccer mom, wife, birth machine and Republican politican, but what makes her a good mother?
#21 Posted by bossman1 on September 4, 2008 at 6:12 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Gator, I think there are many of us in the middle. If only we had a candidate.....
#22 Posted by Beads on September 4, 2008 at 7:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I'm fascinated by the abject terror struck in the herts of Liberals by Ms. Palin. Good grief, a conservative who sticks to her principles! Can we stand it? Why, she's not even a Marxist, and we all want Marx to be our new economic guide.
Run for your life!
#23 Posted by ke6tdy on September 4, 2008 at 7:32 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Scared to death? I love her. Ms. Bambie has sealed the election of PRESIDENT OBAMA.
I just hope the meocons don't hide her away. The more exposure, the greater the gaffs.
THANK YOU MOMMIE DEAREST!!!!!!!!
#24 Posted by boulderbilly on September 4, 2008 at 7:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Dress codes, Hats at dinner, shorts at the Philharmonic...Why is it nobody cares about how they look anymore??? Have you flown lately??? The first trip I ever took, to Naples, I was 7 my grandfather wore a leisure suit, purchased for trip and grandmother a pretty dress. I flew from west coast to Ft Myers last week and it was like the airport was an episode of What Not To Wear. People use a mirror and really look at what is staring back at you! You look terrible.And, before you say it, Money isnt needed to dress properly!
#25 Posted by oilcansam on September 4, 2008 at 8:02 a.m. (Suggest removal)
NO BOONDOGGLE HERE!!!!!!!!!!!
A GRAND SLAM IN YOUR FACE HOME RUN!!!!
USA...USA...USA - Can you libs/some dems say USA?
UNBELIEVABLE...RIGHT ON...TAKE THAT...all in a nice civil manner.
GOD BLESS AMERICA...Can you libs/some dems say GOD BlESS AMERICA!
Have a great day, as I know I will, and a better tomorrow!
#26 Posted by knital on September 4, 2008 at 8:03 a.m. (Suggest removal)
post 53
Great thoughts!
Thank you!
I'm sure many people including some democrats changed their minds nows.
I agree.
Keep reminding us of what we have to do to change things.
I sure will.
#27 Posted by knital on September 4, 2008 at 8:07 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Hey Knital!
Yea go ahead.
Your thoughts are starting to make a lot of sense. That Sarah was great and civil as you said.
Thanks.
#28 Posted by knital on September 4, 2008 at 8:10 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Does anyone find it ironic that Ms. Beuaty queen, the poster mommy for teen pregnancy and extremeist neocon policies,
CONTROLS THE LARGEST WELFARE STATE IN THE U.S.?
"OK, vote for me and the checks get even bigger!!!!"
A SOCIALIST parading around as a capitalist!!!!!!!!!
Ouch. The hypocricy hurts.
And by the way knital, posting to yourself is OK, especially when no one else listens to you. Arguing with yourself draws concern. When you lose the argument, we'll let you know.
LOL.
#29 Posted by boulderbilly on September 4, 2008 at 8:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Rejoice...you are pathetic ...your obsession with me to prove me wrong on this forum is scrambling what little brain matter you have left
you post #51 is completly stupid!!!
my post was to Truthmatters from prior dicussions about her worry that the US would send monetary aid to the Georgians
there was no need to post anything else as that was the jist of the subject between HER AND ME!!! and the balance of the article changed nothing that I posted
as one of the artists of changing cut and paste you have to understand not all people do that!
so crawl back under your rock and contemplate how you can screw up again!
#30 Posted by Canuck on September 4, 2008 at 8:28 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Leave it to the loony left like boss to bash Palin for not being a good mother because she should have aborted her Down's Syndrome child.
Ever meet someone with Down's there bossy?
You have reached the ultimate in low down amoral idiot.
#31 Posted by GoneFishin on September 4, 2008 at 8:51 a.m. (Suggest removal)
She gave a great speech.
She has more experience than Obama.
Obama is saying that running a multi-million dollar campaign is his executive experience.
Absolutely ludicrous!
#32 Posted by GoneFishin on September 4, 2008 at 8:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Did I miss the substance in the speech? I heard alot of juvenile sarcasm, plans for the Alaska economy, same old POW praise for McCain, witnessed them parading a Down's syndrome infant around late at night in a huge crowd with all that noise-( that was appropriate ?) We need to worry less about the daughter being pregnant and more about another high risk pregnancy for her as possible VP . Cindy can be her labor coach
#33 Posted by commansense on September 4, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"In 2005, before Palin ran for office, the Palin family accused Wooten of drinking a beer while in his patrol car, illegal hunting and firing a Taser at his 11-year-old stepson. The Palins also claimed Wooten threatened to kill Sarah Palin's father."
If liberals had intimate knowledge about this, they would definitely want the guy to have a gun and a taser.
#34 Posted by GoneFishin on September 4, 2008 at 9:13 a.m. (Suggest removal)
You have to admire the Republican chutzpah. Still confronting a national scandal about packing the Justice Department with “loyal Bushies,” they pick a vice presidential candidate who – in her two executive jobs in Alaska – ousted top law-enforcement officials because they were insufficiently loyal or not malleable enough.
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One of those firings has put Gov. Sarah Palin at the center of an ongoing legislative investigation that presumably will require her to testify about whether she was behind efforts by her husband and senior staff to pressure the state’s public safety commissioner to fire her ex-brother-in-law from the state troopers.
When the commissioner, former Anchorage police chief Walter Monegan, refused to go along, he was summarily ousted by Palin without much explanation.
Unless the Republicans can figure out a way to block Palin’s sworn deposition, she will have to either admit that she used her political influence to wage a family vendetta or she must face the risk that her continued denials of involvement will be contradicted by her own staff or by some other evidence.
However, if Palin admits that she did use her government office to punish a personal enemy – or that she fired the public safety commissioner because he refused to join in her family feud – the Republicans may have trouble continuing to sell Palin as a reform-minded governor.
Oh oh. Now that several major newspapers have smelled all the blood she has spilled, the sharks are gonna take a hell of a bite out of her.
Ought to be interesting.
#35 Posted by boulderbilly on September 4, 2008 at 9:16 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The stuff democrats are coming up with against Palin are so desperate it's hilarious, if it wasn't so incorrect and hurtful.
Most of the things being said about her are insulting to women in general.
Perfect strategy.
#36 Posted by GoneFishin on September 4, 2008 at 9:18 a.m. (Suggest removal)
The drunken fisherman now calls himself, are ya ready.....'THE FIRST DUDE.'
ROFLMAO.
The first eunuch, maybe.
#37 Posted by boulderbilly on September 4, 2008 at 9:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Repeat by "popular" request, see below!
What a country!!!
Millions of people will get a chance to vote for a "COMMUNITY ORGANIZER" with dubious ASSOCIATES/FRIENDS for the past twenty years Ayers...Rev Wrong...Farakon...Rezko...and on and on. Oh I forgot, less than three years in the US Senate and most of that time he has been running for president.
If that describes a person who can "CHANGE" and shake up Washington, pass the kool aide for everyone to drink!
The only way to affect change is to change our procedures. Term limits...line item veto...bills that stand alone with no attachments...immediate accountabilty (there's got to be technology to accomplish this)...abolish both houses when public opinion has no faith in their abilities to continue running the country's business and call for immediate elections...no more "pork" to name a few.
Instead of attacking/expressing all your thoughts to each other and accomplish nothing on a daily basis, write, call, fax, write and e-mail
your elected officals.
GROW UP YA'LL!! ENOUGH IS ENOUGH REGARDLESS OF YOUR PARTY AFFILIATION!
WE THE PEOPLE" AFFECT CHANGE AS A "MAJORITY". HELLO...IS ANYONE listening???
HOW ABOUT THAT SARAH PALIN!!! YOU GO GIRL! TALK ABOUT A REFRESHING CHANGE.
PS - On every computer there is a copy button. Copy from one source and place on another. No magic envoled. It is called technology!
#38 Posted by knital on September 4, 2008 at 9:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Victor Ortino - you ran a decent campaign. I voted for you. My thinking was that you and Mr. Rambosk were both decent candidates but I think it is good to shake things up every once in a while. Good luck in your future.
To the moonbats on this forum re: Mrs. Palin's candidacy: opinions and "facts" from you folks are the LAST thing I would use to sway my vote much less care to read. I try really hard to make my voting decisions based upon what I hear and decide about candidates. For instance, when Pres. Clinton was being accused of the affair with Ms. Flowers, I gave him the last benefit of the doubt all the way up until I heard the tape recorded phone call of him talking to her. At that point I knew he was guilty of the accusation.
In general I liked what I saw and heard last night from Mrs. Palin. She's got tons of grit and presence. Can anyone imagine what it must be like to go from making a speech in front of a thousand folks (probably her biggest audience before last night?) to going in front of the country? I'd think most people would wilt and stumble pretty quickly. I heard (don't know if this is true?) that her teleprompter crapped out half way thru the speech? Can anyone confirm? Regardless, her composure and timing were superlative. This ability to "step up" gives indication that she can and will do this in other aspects of her job.
Last night was a good start but she needs to do more. Obamma's choice of Sen. Joe Biden was prudent to me and spoke well to me of his judgment. Game on. This voter is watching and deciding.
#39 Posted by naplesregular on September 4, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Maybe Hillary should change parties like Joe Lieberman did, she might stand a better chance. At least the Republicans have proven they aren't afraid to put a woman on the ballot.
#40 Posted by Pianoman8869 on September 4, 2008 at 9:35 a.m. (Suggest removal)
okay Rejoice....resident racist
you keep pulling me into these discussions!!!
here is one that was from the Naples Daily News
yesterday...I am sure it will resonate with all the agnostics..atheists..and anti religious that post here and disappoint the Iraqi Christions that God is not with them:
note: some copy edited to meet 300 word limited
Sep 3, 8:44 PM EDT
Palin: Iraq war 'a task that is from God'
By GENE JOHNSON
ANCHORAGE, Alaska (AP) -- Alaska Gov. Sarah Palin told ministry students at her former church that the United States sent troops to fight in the Iraq war on a "task that is from God."
In an address last June, the Republican vice presidential candidate also urged ministry students to pray for a plan to build a $30 billion natural gas pipeline in the state, calling it "God's will."
Palin asked the students to pray for the troops in Iraq, and noted that her eldest son, Track, was expected to be deployed there.
"Our national leaders are sending them out on a task that is from God," she said. "That's what we have to make sure that we're praying for, that there is a plan and that plan is God's plan."
A video of the speech was posted at the Wasilla Assembly of God's Web site before finding its way on to other sites on the Internet.
Palin told graduating students of the church's School of Ministry, "What I need to do is strike a deal with you guys." As they preached the love of Jesus throughout Alaska, she said, she'd work to implement God's will from the governor's office, including creating jobs by building a pipeline to bring North Slope natural gas to North American markets.
"God's will has to be done in unifying people and companies to get that gas line built, so pray for that," she said.
"I can do my job there in developing our natural resources and doing things like getting the roads paved and making sure our troopers have their cop cars and their uniforms and their guns, and making sure our public schools are funded," she added. "But really all of that stuff doesn't do any good if the people of Alaska's heart isn't right with God."
Palin attended the evangelical church from the time she was a teenager until 2002, the church said in a statement posted on its Web site. She has continued to attend special conferences and meetings there. Religious conservatives have welcomed her selection as John McCain's running mate.
The section of the church's Web site where videos of past sermons were posted was shut down Wednesday, and a message was posted saying that the site "was never intended to handle the traffic it has received in the last few days."
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#41 Posted by Canuck on September 4, 2008 at 9:37 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Republicans endured a category 3 storm today. No, not Hurricane Gustav. The vetting--or rather, lack thereof--of Sarah Palin.
Oh Sarah, we hardly knew ye. Greg Sargent at Talking Points Memo has a great roundup of what we've learned about Palin today alone.
* The news that Palin once backed the Bridge to Nowhere went national.
* It emerged that Palin has links to the bizarro Alaska Independence Party, which harbors the goal of seceding from the union that McCain and Palin seek to lead.
* The news broke that as governor, Palin relied on an earmark system she now opposes. Taken along with the Bridge to Nowhere stuff, this threatens to undercut her reformist image, something that was key to her selection as McCain's Veep candidate.
* The news broke that Palin's 17-year-old daughter became pregnant out of wedlock at a time when the conservative base had finally started rallying behind McCain's candidacy.
* Barely moments after McCain advisers put out word that McCain had known of Bristol Palin's pregnancy, the Anchorage Daily News revealed that Palin's own spokesperson hadn't known about it only two days ago.
* A senior McCain adviser at the Republican convention was forced into the rather embarrassing position of arguing that McCain had known about the pregnancy "last week" -- without saying what day last week he knew about it.
* It came out that Republican lawyers are up in Alaska vetting Palin -- now, more than 72 hours after it was announced that she'd been picked.
* Palin lawyered up in relation to the trooper-gate probe in Alaska -- a move that ensures far more serious attention to the story from the major news orgs."
Oh my, why all the Republican attorneys rushing to Alaska for lil miss lawbreaker?
#42 Posted by boulderbilly on September 4, 2008 at 9:42 a.m. (Suggest removal)
"I guess a small-town mayor is sort of like a community organizer, except that you have actual responsibilities."
"I might add that, in small towns, we don't quite know what to make of a candidate who lavishes praise on working people when they're listening and then talks about how bitterly they cling to their religion and guns when those people aren't listening."
"No, we tend to prefer candidates who don't talk about us one way in Scranton and another way in San Francisco."
"Our opponents say again and again that drilling will not solve all of America's energy problems, as if we didn't know that already."
"Here's a little newsflash for those reporters and commentators: I'm not going to Washington to seek their good opinion. I'm going to Washington to serve the people of this great country."
"But listening to him speak, it's easy to forget that this is a man who has authored two memoirs but not a single major law or even a reform, not even in the State Senate."
"This is a man who can give an entire speech about the wars America is fighting and never use the word "victory," except when he's talking about his own campaign."
"But when the cloud of rhetoric has passed, when the roar of the crowd fades away, when the stadium lights go out, and those Styrofoam Greek columns are hauled back to some studio lot..."
"My fellow citizens, the American presidency is not supposed to be a journey of personal discovery."
#43 Posted by GoneFishin on September 4, 2008 at 9:46 a.m. (Suggest removal)
OUR MAMA CAN BEAT YOUR OBAMA
#52 Posted by wiggins on September 4, 2008 at 9:04 a.m. (Suggest removal)
(posted on another forum)
Our mama beats your Obama"
#75 Posted by Rejoice on September 4, 2008 at 9:34 a.m. (Suggest removal
so Rejoice.....resident racist you are now a plagiaizer........(unless your the same person).....something you came down hard on Biden that he did several years ago!!!
of course it doesn't surprise me...you never have had an origional thought
really pathetic!!!!
#44 Posted by Canuck on September 4, 2008 at 9:49 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Here is a great picture of Palin on the cover of the Boston Herald:
http://edgeoforever.wordpress.com/200...
#45 Posted by GoneFishin on September 4, 2008 at 9:50 a.m. (Suggest removal)
By the way, Algonquin and Boulder Billy are the same person. It was easy to figure out. They misspell the exact same words.
Loser.
#46 Posted by BobbyBacala on September 4, 2008 at 10:11 a.m. (Suggest removal)
I hate politics.
I watched 3 hours of the Republican convention last night, and I thought it was disgusting. Most of the time was spent by the speakers bashing Obama. Why didn't they tell us what they are going to do for the people? I'm tired of Republicans telling us how wonderful the war in Iraq is and how terrible the hopes and dreams of Obama is.
Mrs. Palin was a good speaker, but she spent all her time bragging about how much she had done, and how little Obama and Biden had done. What has McCain accomplished? He never was a governor or mayor either. Palin was so one sided that it was painful to listen to her.
I'm not a political person, and I can find fault with bother Democrats and Republicans, but I thought the Republican convention was worse than the Democratic. The Democrats weren't as insulting as the Republicans.
Another thing that bothers me about both Democrats and Republicans, is that they end their speaches with God bless you all and God bless America. I'm sure that the Judeo-Christian God doesn't listen to such idiotic prayers. God must be divided if he listens to all those ridiculous prayers. People are hypocrites who use the Word God when they are speaking.
I'll be glad when the election is over. I'm fed up with all the ridiculous things people say about the candidates. Most people are like parrots and repeat what they are told and don't have much of any brains to think for themselves.
#47 Posted by rationalman on September 4, 2008 at 10:43 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Letter writer John Lukosky, Naples, lay off Sarah Palin's daughter. You and the other Obama supporters have nothing against palin so you go after her daughter. At least they will raise that child in a loving family, whereas Obama said if his daughters made a mistake, they wouldn't be burdened with a child. read between the lines = MURDER.
#48 Posted by mrfuni on September 4, 2008 at 10:47 a.m. (Suggest removal)
No Gator your wrong. It's the Repub's that run on and try to win elections on morals, abstinance only for birth control, no abortion for any reason, pro-life. But bombing inocent people like they did in Iraq, using the death penalty at will, letting a pregnant mother/wife die to save a fetus is fine with them.
Would You let your wife die to possibly save a fetus? What about the other children, who will take care of them?
I may be selfish but if I had to make a choice between my wife and a fetus, I would choice my wife.
#49 Posted by bossman1 on September 4, 2008 at 10:53 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Democrats cannot discuss the pregnancy because to bring family in is bad...ok
Republicans can line the family up like a display at a market INCLUDING the not allowed to mention baby daddy and that's OK ..
Democrats are whiners because we don't agree with the experience and some issues of Sarah Palin's...ok
Republicans are ok stating that Obama has no experience not like McCain being war prisoner or an 18mnth Gov and that's ok ...
Democrats should not mention anything for fear of being accused of being plagerists.... OK
Republicans have others write speeches and my God its the best thing since sliced bread OK...
Amazing is the word for the double standard world we live in...I guess it just depends whose side of the fence you stand on..
#50 Posted by JustAnObserver on September 4, 2008 at 11:06 a.m. (Suggest removal)
boss, that was a silly attempt at making some sort of point.
#51 Posted by GoneFishin on September 4, 2008 at 11:20 a.m. (Suggest removal)
WOW! you guys are ate up with this stuff. All this back and forth banter is not going to change anyones mind on who they will vote for. I can't wait for November to come and go so we can move on.
#52 Posted by fishguts on September 4, 2008 at 11:26 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Eddie #94 - couple of points:
1. The DNC's convention was very similar in every respect. I find my stomach particularly turned when there are pictures of some in the audience from both conventions who appear to be in rapture. They scare the heck out of me.
2. After McCain picked Mrs. Palin, the press and bloggers had a field day attacking her. If she did not come out swinging last night, she would have been perceived as weak. Imo, she had no choice and had to show sharp teeth immediately otherwise she would be a stone cold liability.
3. I believe a lot of Republicans are breathing a sigh of relief today. It was kinda funny last night skipping around to the different stations/commentators and listening to their views. Even the Dems lapdog Keith Olberman (who I used to love on Sports Center) seemed exasperated at how good Mrs. Palin came across.
#53 Posted by naplesregular on September 4, 2008 at 11:31 a.m. (Suggest removal)
As always FISH, You spin and lie, post your conclusions as factual. I happen to think Palin is smart, good looking, tough, speaks well, and may be great person with extreme views.
Because of her actions I don't believe she is a good mother, many working mother are.
She has many questions to answer and has not done so yet. So far everything she is asked, or is said about her that she doesn't like she says is 'sexist'.
#54 Posted by bossman1 on September 4, 2008 at 11:33 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Re #93 MikeM - You are a typical, presumptive, conservative, Republican, paranoid, idiot. Please don't insult my family by assuming that my 5 offspring are somehow conservative Republicans because they are professionals and wealthy. All 5 are liberal Democrats. I taught them very well while, and after, defying and battling GOP corruption during their educational years. I didn't "leave any of them behind" like Sarah Palin, an exposed hypocrite.
By the way, that "corruption" you Republicans keep bragging about that "Northern Exposure" Sarah "eliminated" in Alaska - was that GOP "induced"? (like that term - pertains possibly to Bristol's forthcoming delivery.)
Murawski, Stevens - are they card carrying Democrats or "loyal GOP executive "experienced" crooks?
#55 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 4, 2008 at 11:39 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Point : There's very little difference in the morals and actions of Republicans, Democrats, believers or non-believers.
It is a fact that Republicans try to get elected on the 'morals' issue and the 'we believe in G'd and you don't crap'.
So when Repub's get caught, and they do a lot lately, it's worse.
#56 Posted by bossman1 on September 4, 2008 at 11:48 a.m. (Suggest removal)
Re #90 Anonymous 1000 Left field huh? Cruel and unusual punishment Huh? You and your hypocrite cadre are really naive and certainly don't "practice what you preach".
That fetus in question that Ms Stanek "rescued" had about zero chance of survival not- withstanding any extra curricular circumstances. Even taking the best case scenario that some kind of life support factors could have continued and maintained a semblance of life, the fetus was doomed to an existence that would be "cruel and unusual punishment". That, not only for the fetus but the necessary care givers and providers. Of course, I realize that political zealots like you would readily volunteer to "pitch in" and make the visible 'argument" mantaining your beliefs.
According to your beliefs, that innocent, "sacrificed" fetus is now probably a cherub in the firmament enjoying "paradise" for eternity. That should provide you with some solace and satisfaction.
I'm pro choice and do not think abortion is my "right" to judge and do God's work in deciding its efficacy. That's what I detest even more than abortion the hypocritical "judges of society" that think they know God's supernatural being. They are the bible interpreters who make pronouncements to suit their "needs" and desires. Well, I guess Jesus loved the Pharisees too in his divine nature even though he pointed out their shortcomings in his human nature.
#57 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 4, 2008 at noon (Suggest removal)
"The Greatest Show On Earth" GOP "Style"
A new and "dramatic" version of "Romeo and Juliet" was premiered last night at the Republican National Convention. The Conservative GOP version of the Shakespearean "classic" was presented by Sarah Palin as she displayed the 'stars" of the "epic" performance to the world pronouncing her steadfast belief and confidence in their "role model" example of "true love".
The GOP Veep candidate gave a resounding speech that revealed what it really means to "not leave one child behind". It was a testament to the moral fibre that characterizes the very gist of conservative philosophy and its application. An "oscar" type "work of art" at its best created by a RNC/GOP cast of a "thousand" writers and "spin makers".
It was obviously intended that the two young "stars" of the performance, Levi and "his" Bristol, will win the hearts of America with their "love story". Hollywood needs to take note.
#58 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 4, 2008 at 12:21 p.m. (Suggest removal)
It's so nice to see that the Republicans are taking the high-ground and keeping family and parenting issues out of the campaign. And, it's such a shame that the Democrats apparently aren't smart enough to do the same.
Because there is a substantial case to be made that Barack & Michelle Obama are equally "bad parents", by the Democrats' own definitions.
Who was watching after their children while he was out "organizing" neighborhoods in Chicago, or while she was out working for the hospital?
Who is watching after their children while they chase their tales around the country on the campaign trail?
Haven't they abandoned their children to their relatives so they don't have to be bothered with them while stumping?
Will they move the same relatives into the White House to look after them then, too, if daddy gets elected President and if mommy runs around playing First Lady?
If they cared for them at all, Michelle would quit campaigning with hubby and go stay with the kids like a good wife should, right?
That argument works both ways, Democrats. Keep it up and you'll wind up alienating a lot of potential "undecided" voters, particularly those who fall into the category of "career parents" and keep hearing themselves getting called "bad" for having both a career and a family.
#59 Posted by Pianoman8869 on September 4, 2008 at 12:33 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#91 by the resident racist...Rejoice.....
because my copy and paste did not pick up the forward quote...you decide to squirm out of your plagiarism with that weak excuse.....you are really pathetic because you said I deliberately left out both quote marks......look again!!!!
when you quote something or someone you cite the source...you posted this as your own!!!!!
coincident it happened 30 minutes after the other quote...I think not!!
just another example of dancing and spinning to put forth your own agenda
who is the laughing stock...the racist and the liar who accuses people or posts lies and then ignores
repeated requests to prove the lies!!!!
#60 Posted by Canuck on September 4, 2008 at 12:36 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The liberal weenies on this forum are a joke. I'm sorry, but correct me if I'm wrong. Is Palin's daughter running for office? And just so you don't think I'm one sided, I don't care what Biden's daughter has done either. People need to start focusing on the candidate they feel will solve the problems we face today, namely our economy and foreign policy. Who you choose is your decision, but it should be based on real topics... not whether or not they have a child that has made a mistake or have done something against their wishes. Get a grip!!!!
#61 Posted by IMFROMHERE on September 4, 2008 at 12:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Point : There's very little difference in the morals and actions of Republicans, Democrats, believers or non-believers.
#110 Posted by bossman1 on September 4, 2008 at 11:48 a.m.
Bossman1
Get off your computer, get out in the real world. Look at schools and what kids are being taught. The school rules come from DC, not your neighbors on the school board. See a movie or two, listen to "music", watch TV designed for children & teens, watch a little league baseball game or other youth sport. Talk to your own kids and their kids if they saved a couple.
Bossman1, you have OLD democrat values. They are not running the party anymore. Blue Dogs & DLC don't have the communist/socialist/environmentalist money and no longer have a voice.
Except for your unionism, you did not grow up with the values of today's Democratic Socialists. This is all that you feel comfortable with today, which is a shame you and many other democrats of the 60's - 80's don't have a voice. You have to do what your intelligence shows you, not some "hate America if Republicans are in charge" web site.
Many will choose a moderate RINO coupled with the democrat congress. That is the only way to improve the party. Democrats have been losing elections big time with the "values" of the Democratic Socialists. Those values, that you do not really agree with, must continue to loose.
The last election was an example of how the party wants to change back to the way it used to be. Blue dogs and DLC made major gains by showing the OLD Democrat values.
The socialists/communists have switched their direction. Working to destroy America from the inside.
You are excited about Obama making unionization prevalent in ALL areas, but as you know, with globalization, unionization will drive jobs overseas as it did in your steel industry.The mainstay areas that will remain in the USA will continue on but don't get your hopes up for a unionized country, unless it included wage/price/government/ industry control.
The older our country becomes, the more opportunity becomes available for our kids. Did you ever believe a union member could be the "First Dude" one day?
As long as the world see America as people, we'll be fine. When the world looks at America and sees a government, we're in trouble.
That is what we are heading for. The American Government, and not the country of American people.
It used to be that America would always help the little guy. The Democratic Socialists are forcing its help on the little guy, under its rules in exchange for dependency. There are millions of little guys that are doing just fine and don't want government in their lives.
Only in America are the poorest amongst us doing better than the richest in many parts of the world, and are living in better standards than most of Europe.
#62 Posted by ChiDem on September 4, 2008 at 12:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
post the two lies I made in the last 24 hours Rejoice or will you run away and not answer like when you were aske to prove all the other lies you posted
you say I lied when forward quotation marks were left off your quote????..you are a sick puppy to use such a weak excuse
you lied when you posted it as your own by not giving credit...and only 30 minutes after the same quote was made by someone else on another forum
you are sick and should seek some help for not only your rage...........which we all have experienced.......but now for your compulsive lieing
#63 Posted by Canuck on September 4, 2008 at 1:19 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Well, first, Rejoice, Obama did visit the troops in Iraq. He didn't in Germany.
Palin delivered her speech fairly well. I doubt she wrote it as often is the case. She didn't say much of note except folksy stuff, a lot of platitudes and such, but she also failed to tell the truth. In fact, she blatently lied about Obama and raising taxes. Maybe she didn't know she was lying because she knows so little about what's going on, but that doesn't excuse her lying.
She also lied about herself and that bridge to nowhere. She was for it until she was against it.
But the lying about Obama was the most egregious part of her speech. It wasn't a little lie, it was one big whopper. Obama is not going to raise taxes on most of those people in that crowd. He's going to cut their taxes.
Her trying to say the middle class and lower middle class would suffer under Obama is flat out wrong. The People they will suffer under is John McCain and her.
I guess nothings going to change with a McCain/Palin Administration. And, if they lie to us about such a blatant thing as Obama's stand on taxes, what else will they lie about?
How about some more lies in foreign policy to hawk another war. We know McCain is itching to invade Iran.
So why would a country, Iran, be in favor of someone they know advocates invading them? They are stupid, not like McCain.
That's my big, big problem with McCain/Palin; there's no one there with any sense. They are rash, ignorant of what the consequences are to certain actions, and they have no understanding of other people in this world.
I can see why Palin would know nothing about foreign afairs; she's never given them thought. She cloistered up there in her little community that is probably pretty homogeneous in race and culture, and they really don't care much about the rest of the world.
#64 Posted by truthmatters on September 4, 2008 at 2:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Re #119 Rejoice There has always been a "dispute" as to whether Jesus was/is a conservative or a liberal. Both sides have their "versions". It's a mystery, and a "cop out" for both sides.
The "concept of the Holy Trinity" might be a "clue" to some extent. God the Father always seems to be depicted as the "hard head" fundamentalist that "toes the line" and sort of "plays games" enticing and testing his creation, especially man. Now, on the other hand, God the Son, is the "savior" that kind of "takes man off the hook". (we were all doomed by original sin before he showed up on the scene) That in itself is very liberal by comparison to the Father, a strict fundamentalist. Now God the Holy Spirit is really a mystery to me. Seems he acts as a "referree" for whatever "divine family controversies" develop. In addition, the whole scenario is presented as a mystery that is to be accepted allowing for interpretation by all parties in acquiescence. Put something in the pot - boy!
#65 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 4, 2008 at 2:14 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Wow, truth, such passion. You should definitely run for office,unless, of course, you're cloistered in the little homogeneous community of Naples. LOL
#66 Posted by almasonlybar on September 4, 2008 at 2:18 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Is it not McCain and his crew telling us how wonderfull it is that Sarah Palin kept her Downs baby? It's her choice to do so but please don't push it in our faces how wonderfull it is.
* She didn't tell us she would not be raising and taking care of the child, must have forgot.
And although her 16 year old daughter broke her pledge not to have sex untill married, isn't it just wonderfull she will marry the guy who poked her and made her pregnant? And who will take care of this child?
When you push your morals and values on others the least you can do is honor them yourselves.
Sarah Palin is NOT a good mother!
#67 Posted by bossman1 on September 4, 2008 at 2:29 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Re #129 MikeM. Again, please don't insult my family by referring to any of my kids as conservatives. We do not believe the "world is flat", "the sun revolves around the earth" or in "trickle down economics".
The "liberal attorney" you refer to, has it "right", not "left" of the conservative insanity based on medieval philosopy/theology.
I love your use of the term "inheritance". Is that tax related considerations maybe? A Freudian slip on your part? It's a valiant attempt to maintain the "class society" makeup!
As to life, I already have a signed agreement to turn off life supports if I'm a "vegetable" due to illness. On the other hand, I bet you are "big" on Cryogenics. That's understandable. Frozen thought seems to be your bailiwick. Hope you feel well defrosted!
And that last part about wasting money seems to indicate you confirm a "bridge to nowhere" in Alaska was a GOP classic example in that respect.
Now that's "compassion".
#68 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 4, 2008 at 2:41 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Correction: regarding Iran: They "aren't" stupid, not like McCain.
BTW, ChiDem, Sarah's husband is a Union Man.
Also, the average education in Sarah's community is 10th grade. So much for religious right wingers and the value of education.
Speaking of education, it appears Sarah doesn't put much stock in a College education. Her son is 18 and off to Iraq. Her 17 year will be having a baby soon. Is she not going to college either? Sarah's not going to be able to help with the baby if she does; she won't even be there for her own baby. BTW, did Sarah go to college? What were her grades? Better than McCains I assume.
Sarah may claim to be soooo religious, but I doubt her bible training told her to leave her kids to fend while she's pursuing her glory.
And, if she gives them the attention they deserve, then we, the American people, will be slighted. So it looks like Sarah doesn't really care about much of anything except her own self.
Now, I'm not against women pursuing careers, but I do say, if you're going to seek a high powered, demanding career, don't have a little special needs baby at home and a 17 year old pregnant daughter at home, not to mention her two other girls she won't have time for.
Nope, Sarah chose to have that special needs baby, and now she's bailing out on him. What a mother. I suppose she conferred with God on that and, guess what he told her? Just what she wanted, because you see, she, like a lot of extremists in religion, tell God what they want to hear and what He thinks.
What scares me is next she'll say God says we should invade some more countries. Get those bad Jihadists. Trouble is she and her so called experienced McCain don't want to spend time going where they are. They get detoured all the time.
#69 Posted by truthmatters on September 4, 2008 at 2:43 p.m. (Suggest removal)
You know, I'm getting pretty tired of the Republicans using McCain's Viet Nam prisoner of war story. I can repeat it verbatim.
But also, since that war had nothing to do with our freedom or safety, I guess McCain didn't preserve my freedom or yours. He just was the hapless victim of being put in a terrible war that we never should have been in. Thanks to LBJ's lying about the Gulf Of Tonkin incidence. I wonder just how many wars we've been lied into. And I'm real sick of it.
#70 Posted by truthmatters on September 4, 2008 at 2:51 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Palin may have excited the Repub's last night and maybe the stock market today. The S&P is down 35 pts, DOW down over 300 pts. Just three more months, I hope it holds untill Obama/Biden get in, Fish is headed to the poor house.
#71 Posted by bossman1 on September 4, 2008 at 2:54 p.m. (Suggest removal)
RE #119 Rejoice You say/claim Jesus hates the "sin" of liberalism. Is that the reason he established the New Testament to amend/revise the Old Testament? Of course, a "GOP scholar" like you can enlighten mankind much like the other "loonies" like Robertson, Dobson, the late Falwell. Let's hear from Jimmy Swaggert, or is he in one of those "red light" districts again?
#72 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 4, 2008 at 2:57 p.m. (Suggest removal)
fairlyconservative.com/the-race-for-president/a-chat-with-anne-kilkenny-from-alaska
such an interesting e-mail by a resident of Wasilla, Alaska
#73 Posted by Canuck on September 4, 2008 at 3:02 p.m. (Suggest removal)
St. Paul "Entertainment":
I was really intrigued and impressed with Fred Thompson's description of the young Johnny McCain's early days in Florida with the likes of a "flaming" lady in a strip joint he frequented. He implied that Johhny was "sowing some oats" in the "good old boy tradition" that characterized the very "fundamentals" of conservatism hypocrisy.
I bet that Bristol's "love", Levi, took great consolation that he was following those same conservative "principles" and even has been able to enhance the philosophy with tangible results evidenced by Bristol's pregnancy. Oh, it's so wonderful and plain as day to see why Sarah and Todd are so proud of their "baby".
#74 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 4, 2008 at 3:07 p.m. (Suggest removal)
almasonlybar, Naples is hardly a homogeneous community. We have people from all over the states here, northerners, midwesterners, and yes, Cubans, Mexicans, different Hispanic groups, blacks and a number of varied religions from far right and very strict to open and liberal.
And, besides that, you have no idea where I've lived before I came here, so, your statement is nothing short of ridiculous.
Alaska is quite separated from the rest of the U.S. It has its own special culture. It is conservative. Naples has all degrees of political beliefs from very conservative to very liberal, from libertarian to extreme religious right wing.
I suggest, Almasonlybar, you think before you write.
#75 Posted by truthmatters on September 4, 2008 at 3:15 p.m. (Suggest removal)
USA...USA...USA - We are going back to our roots!
What a refreshing atmosphere to see the "GREATEST COUNTRY" in the world being acknowledge in public by PATRIOTIC AMERICANS!!!
Before long...we will have/say MERRY CHRISTMAS again...a christmas tree...say the LORD'S prayer...say the pledge aligence to the flag in public...say the word "GOD" in public again...display the nativity scene again in public...serve your country in time of danger and be proud to do so!!
That's the USA I remember as I was growing up!!
#76 Posted by knital on September 4, 2008 at 3:24 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Re: #137 Anonymous 1000 "Where does it stop?" You ask. The questions should be "where does it start and why does it have to start?"
Your "laundry list" of social infirmities is an invalid argument to maintain that behavior or conditions leading to or promoting deformative opportunities should be allowed as some kind of divine right in itself. That is ridiculous and no more prudent than a pedestrian walking into busy traffic expecting not to be subject to injury and an accident.
I have no qualms dealing with health problems that develop in the course of life, but I do believe in prevention and not exacerbating a futile inevitability.
As to "Thou shalt not kill". - Capital punishment seems to be a conservative theory exception. It is very convenient to employ the belief that life begins with conception. I personally do not believe that premise. I don't think that an individual will be prevented from entering the kingdom of heaven any more than a person without a limb or gall bladder because they aborted a fetus. Your mystical beliefs are your "choice" and shouldn't be forced on others in a Democracy.
You say "no one on this earth has the moral authority or intelligence to determine which babies live and which ones die"> That includes YOU and your Pro Life crowd!!!
Lastly, where does the Constitution say citizenship begins at conception?
#77 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 4, 2008 at 3:44 p.m. (Suggest removal)
#143 MikeM Your apologies are as phony as your evaluations regarding conservatives and liberals. Your recourse to "labels" and trying to group those you oppose into a category that satisfies your ignorance is an exercise typical of political opportunists. Man, I bet you miss slavery, huh bossman! Yowzer master!!!
#78 Posted by Elephanttamer on September 4, 2008 at 3:52 p.m. (Suggest removal)
I find it complete hypocrisy for those who condemned Obama for a lack of experience, to now embrace Mrs. Palin based on her speach at the convention. Give me a break.
#79 Posted by reasonableguy on September 4, 2008 at 4:26 p.m. (Suggest removal)
Great post Jag, see if you can write the next one in less than a hour and without stealing other posters messages or lines.
You should thank the Demo's in congress for your last min. wage raise you just recieved on your 'honey dipper'job.
#80 Posted by bossman1 on September 4, 2008 at 4:45 p.m. (Suggest removal)
If I were to go to the beach and start tromping through sea turtle nests, I'd be arrested immediately. Why? After all, I'm not killing turtles, just destroying fertilized eggs and apparently there's nothing immoral about that.
#81 Posted by JoeyT on September 4, 2008 at 4:53 p.m. (Suggest removal)
The Dow was down 345 and the NASDQ down 74 today. What a rousing response to Sarah's speech last night. It must have scared everyone half to death.
Inquisitive, it's called VETO POWER. Bush has it to block everything the Democrats have tried to do in the last almost 2 years.
The NEO CON's are the worst bane that has hit this country. Paul Craig Roberts, Ph.D., served as asst secretary to the treasury for Economic policy in 1981-1982. A Republican and a Conservative says, "The Neo-Conservatives represent the greatest danger ever faced by the United States and the World. Humanity has no greater enemy.
And he is absolutely right, and if we don't wake up soon, it will be too late for the good ole U.S.A.
As a Republican I too have seen this, and it is frightening. Their whole approach to government and foreign policy is the worst. They've put us in enormous debt, grown government beyond that we've ever seen, invaded our privacy like never before, and with their empire building around the world, they have made inumerable enemies. We stand precariously as we await an election that will continue the same or bring us to a new direction. We cannot afford to throw our country into the Neo Con's hands again. America has to wake up. If they can't see what's been happening then we have no hope.
I love this country. It's been the model for the world, offering freedom, opportunity and good example.
You know, if I were a superstitious person, I would have to say we're seeing the Anti Christ in action. Looks wonderful to a number of people, but too many don't recognize the hideousness within. But remember, "by their fruits ye shall know them," and it's about time people are getting a clue.
#82 Posted by truthmatters on September 4, 2008 at 5 p.m. (Suggest removal)
truthmatters,
Your first choice for president, Ron Paul, supports McCain/Palin........Oh oh! Now what?
#83 Posted by truth on September 4, 2008 at 5:13 p.m. (Suggest removal)